What can we do to change this? Is it inevitable? If we can't change it, should I just pack up my kids and move out of the country? If so, which country ? Anyone have any ideas? Write your congressman? I dn't think that will do any good...
Go to www.nonationID.com and sign a petition against the Nation ID. Card. 100,000 signatures are needed and will get the attention of lawmakers quickly. Beccause it says you will not vote for anyone knowly who backs the The National Id card.
A couple years ago I read where a company out of Florida had designed, manufactured and implemeted a special chip that can be inserted under the skin via a hypodermic kneedle implant. This chip will store all of your personal info.
The Real ID Card is simply a disguised forerunner of this chip. The whole deal is insidously masked under the word "protection."
Protection from terrorism, illegal immigration, identity theft etc...
2 of those 3 could be accomplished by simply protecting our borders. There is no need for an ID card or chip implant.
Read the book of Revelations (Bible). Prophesy is being fulfilled. 1st the card - then the implanted chip. Without it you will not be able to collect income from any source, buy or sell, own property, a car, a bank account, a driver's license, get medical attention and you will be outcast if not hunted.
We have already become a cashless society. The card and/or chip will also soon take place of your personal credit cards. You'll simply use the Real ID Card or an implanted chip (next step) to pay bills and conclude transactions.
This is the ultimate tracking device. Your liberty, existence, and even your ultimate destiny are now at stake.
Use your head - due your due diligence. Read the prophetic books of the Bible, especially the Book of Revelations, your choices, the decisions you make now are VITAL.
Don't take this lightly - don't dismiss it. Do your research. We, Americans, are in critical danger. This is no joke and the mark of the beast - Satan - is coming soon to a town near you. You have until May 11th, 2008. The final count down is here and you can call this new card whatever you like but it is the beginning of total destruction of our way of life as we now know it.
This has been planned for years. The power people have been secretly building the "New World Order" which will be run by the Anti-Christ. This is no joke.
DO YOUR RESEARCH now because you don't have much time before you will be given a definite ultimatum. The way you choose will be the most important choice of your life - period.
A good site with a lot of information is: <a class="jive-link-external" href="http://endtime.com/" target="_newWindow">http://endtime.com/</a>
Hopefully you are not hard hearded or to ignorant to realize you may not have the real truth in what you believe the RealID Card might be. IF you are believing what is told to you via our top leaders and past leaders of this country you will be duped just as we were with "The Victory Tax" during WWII.
Trust me - things are coming to a close and it won't be a pretty picture.
I wish everyone that reads this the best and I sinserley hope you make the right choice.
OMG, ARE YOU SERIOUS!?? GET REAL! WHO THE HELL IS GONNA ALLOW SOMEONE TO IMPLANT A TRACKER CHIP IN SOMEONE? I'M GONNA BE A DOCTOR, AND I CAN ALREADY TELL YOU; THAT, IS WAY UNETHICAL, ILLEGAL, AND NO ONE IS GOING TO SUPPORT IT. YOU ARE JUST A CONSPIRATOR!!!!!!!!!!!
What doctor in his or her right mind would ever allow themselves to put a human being in pains way (even if only for a moment) for a chip that has personal information on it? NO ONE! That is the most retarded thing I've heard all summer. The government isn't a big bad wolf that's out to get you... believe me, my dad works for the government, and I know how it works, apparently better than you do. How can you say something like that, burn your own country's foundation and still live here? MOVE OUT IF YOU"RE SO PARANOID!!
-Dan Troxell, 16 Yelm High School Washington State
The 2nd coming of Christ our Lord and the Anti-Christ are not things that we are going to be able to stop. Revelations and the prophecies will happen. We know the signs to look for, so as believers we should continue walking the narrow path and spread the gospel of Jesus Christ. Our treasure and victory are not on this world, but in heaven. I dont welcome the Anti-Christ, but Im also looking forward to meeting my maker when the time comes. Be strong in your faith and walk in light.
Through college I worked as a manager for a major pizza chain....not only are systems similar to this ALREADY IN PLACE, but thru several agreements between the pizza chain and advertising sponsors, we were aggressively encouraged to get as much information about each customer as possible. "It will be better customer service" they said. The more people that believe that this is the only result of such systems, the closer I get to Canada, and leaving the robots here in the US.
If you don't mind: "WITHOUT YOU KNOWING" that many others know who you are and where you live or what medication you take etc.
Passing any cop and he knows who you are. Possibly any politician & he knows who you are. Entering any building and someone there knows who you are. Entering a bathroom stall & someone knowing it's you. At the checkout at a supermarket they know who you are. You meet a certain young lady privately and someone knows. Someone's cell phone reads your private info. You go to Mac Donalds and they know who you are! Everywhere you go SOMEONE KNOWS & CAN WATCH AND TRACK YOU. Think I'm paranoid? This technology already exists just waiting for you. Don't allow it.
Mark my words. Call it prophetic, but here's my take on the future.
When the next major terrorist strike hits the United States and this Real ID fails to protect our homeland as it's supposed to do.
That's when this New World Order leader will insist that we be chip implanted, as that will be the next step in the slippery slope to the end of times.
We have already become a hopeless society folks, it's too late, too many of the masses were fooled by their leaders, and the voices of those who spoke out against were not listened to and in fact they were ganged up on.
Your own misery lies ahead of you for your ignorance.
I worked for a major retail store during the late 80's thru early 90's when the bar code for pricing was just hitting it big in the USA. The store managers and I had to go in for some training and received our bar code machines nad hand book. Needless to say once we started the system we had a few bugs to work out. During one particular time none of our pass codes worked. So I sat down with the training book and read from the begining. The more I read the more concerned I got. It just seemed alittle different than other manuels I had read. Finally I got to the universal passcode for our machines and it was 666. I went and tried it on the machine after I quit shaking. I could change anything I wanted on that machine. That also meant that I could go to any of the other competitors and change their machines. I thought if this is here now, just starting with our systems how much longer do we have before the Rapture. I quit not long after. I don't sit and watch or read about the things going on in the world like a fanatic and I haven't moved to the mountains or stocked up on supplies, but I do pay attention, because I know it's been here for a while and that it won't be long.
I think this ID is dangerous, plain and simple, and is the beginning of erosion of the freedoms we Americans cherish. You state that "we" will be able to track the people that you describe as "terrorist-loving-American-hating democrats", and I'm wondering who are the "we" to whom you refer?
We The People, all American Citizens, have the right to abolish any part and/or all of the Government and/or its Departments, Branches, Subsidiaries, etc. WarriorForGod wrote a very good message of truth. It saddens me that we are now being question about who we are, our loyalty to this nation and each other. Many of you reading this, have been American Citizens your entire life. Any and every individual that works in any of our Governments, that being United States, Federated, State, County, City/Townships and their Subsidiaries, etc., work for us, We The People. I am so very tired of the harmful descissions that our so-called Politicians are making for us. I personally think that it is time that we abolished the Democratic and Republican Parties and put American Citizens in office. Read the Decleration of Independence, we are at least a hundred times worse, if not more, now then when our Forefathers faught for and died for our freedom from England, twice. Don't you all think that it is time that we stopped acting like cattle?
I agree with Johnnyboy636 in wondering if Pres. Bush really is the Christian he claims to be....don't think so.....if he is, he has totally forgotten about Revelation and the mark of the beast......sounds like he is on the side of the anti-christ (along with a few other things he has said and done in the recent past). Perhaps Mr. Bush needs to take a few days off and rediscover God's word. Everyone should protest this Real ID along with this RFID chipping that soon will follow....Johnnyboy636 is on the mark....Lord help us!
Just because some one has paved the way for the enemy to move, doesn't make them any less a Christian or a follow of Christ. Sometimes things "have" to happen to fulfill the Biblical prophecies. For if these prophecies never came to pass, them God would have lied in the book he authored that describes himself as "Truth."
If you re-read the accounts of Moses and the Pharaoh, you might find as I did, it interesting that every time Moses went to plead to the Pharaoh to let his people go, "God" hardened the Pharaoh's heart. In the short and narrow view, one might question as to why God would harden the Pharaoh's heart and cause more suffering for his chosen people at thr hands of the Pharaoh. It's only when you look at the end do you see the total picture. When Pharaoh told Moses to take his people and go, the Egyptians gave the Jews gold, silver, and all kinds of wealth. The fact is God hardened Pharaoh's heart so that when his chosen people did leave, they didn't leave poor....but rather quite wealthy.
Also with Peter, Jesus told him that he would deny Jesus, 3 times. Was Peter any less of a follower of Christ when he denied him 3 times before the **** crowed? No, but it had to happen.
The Anti-Christ is already here...who he is and how he rises to power is still yet to be seen (or recognized). But certain things and events have to happen for the fulfillment of everything written in the book Revelation.
Some states have already started doing this. When I moved to Mn. last August and had a valid driver's license, it took me three months to get a Mn. drivers license. Any woman who has been married more than once, get ready. You have to provide all past divorce papers. Your name has to be tracked back to birth. It cost me around $100 after all was done. Only new arrivals had to go though this process. If you had a Mn. drivers license, all you had to do was renew it. But if you had a PO Box address, you had to fill out a form explaining why you had a PO Box. I feel this is alittle one sided, woman normally are the ones who change their last names. It will be very interesting to see what happenes next year, when every person will have to go through this process. Linda
This is undoubtably an atempt to create a one world order. Do you think it will stop with just a North American Union and a European Union? The answer is sadly no once a "union" is in place it will open the door for another union with other countries and unions already in place until there is a one world order. This is truly a way for governments to control its citezens and will eventually unfold into more complex and intense systems of idenification until all of each person's daily actions are monitered by a chip or card of some form. Wanting not to get into a religous platform on this issue I will leave you with this thought, this is going to turn into the "mark of the beast" and threw research one can find that this is not only a christian belief but emphasized in numerous religons through out the world. Will you let some one else control everything action and transaction you preform? I would hope not and I can see a major civil war or revolution begining out of such government actions. In the hope that our country men still believe and feel the need to uphold the wishes of our forefathers who fought with such vigor to repulse tryanny through out American history. Fight this issue do not let this pass unknown and make it known that if we are forced to live under such dictoral policies those with some morality will stand and fight what my be the most horrific,genocidic war that mankind will ever know.
A Few Points of Concern about the ?National Identity Card?
A Few Points of Concern about the ?National Identity Card?
Some of the reasons, said and unsaid, surrounding the necessity of the new ?NID? are to be able to better ?identify? bona fide American citizens (through their various day to day activities, bank withdrawals, etc.) and help discern ?terrorists? from those same bona fide law-abiding citizens. However, after a bit of reflection, and for more than one reason, this assumption seems a bit superfluous. ? Terrorists: First of all, no self-respecting terrorist would even consider coming into this country without some kind of ?proper? identification. If identification of Americans is concentrated in one ID card, you can believe international forgers are going to be manufacturing them wholesale within minutes of the ?NID? law being passed. As a result, it will make it even easier for a ?terrorist? to pass him/herself off to most law enforcement officials as a bona fide law-abiding American by presenting only this one ID card. The only people really profiting from this law will be the forgers, and the terrorists who will now need only one piece of identification to justify their presence, instead of many. ? Identity theft: Identity theft, a growing problem in this age of mass communication/information access, will be even easier as a result of concentrating all the pertinent information about a person into the data base behind one card; a card that, if stolen or lost, can provide the finder (or one skilled in ?hacking? or other kinds of ?information transfer?) access to all the information needed to steal the unfortunate victims identity, and use it as he/she will; for personal gain or for terrorism. ? So, why is this happening? In fact, the question arises, why an ?NID? at all? Various answers have been given, but most focus on or around a concentration of information about the individual within a single government archive to make it easier for that same government to access up to the minute information about anyone at any time, in order to umm?, umm.., service us better? Information is power. So the government or certain people now in the government, want more power? I thought the constitution had safeguards against this kind of thing. If not, then it?s time for another amendment to the constitution. People thirsting after power are usually afraid of something. Who are the ?NID? people afraid of, terrorists, those who disagree with them, the American people in general? If so, I suggest they read their history, where they might find that one doesn?t identify the few by sequestering the many; regardless of whether that sequestering is by force, fence or ID card. The idea of a national identification card seems to be based more on paranoia than rationality. The people in power (who are supposed to be representing us, not repressing us) should try to make decisions based on empathy, rationality and intelligence, rather than blind, paranoid emotionalism. ? Who should really carry a national identity card? It makes more sense for those wanting a NID to demand that terrorists carry ID cards; at least we would know who they are and perhaps get them some counseling before they go and blow themselves up, and some of us with them. Or even better, why not demand that those who are demanding we carry ID cards carry their own cards, to identity who they are so we can keep them far, far away from our constitutionally guaranteed rights; you know, those rights that stipulate that Americans have the right to privacy, pursuit of happiness, etc., without having Big Bother (Sorry, that was ?Brother?, wasn?t it?) looking down our throats and telling us who, what, where, why, and how much we are at any given time? Folks, we have to peel ourselves away from the TV and take a look around. Something is happening?and I don?t know what it is, do you Mr. Jones?
It seems that a little guy named Hitler started the same thing in Germany. Anyone who reads this should be outraged. Do you think for one moment, that our government is doing this to protect us? Not on your life. They want to track you and everything you do. What you purchase, where you bank and how much money you spend. Be worried. Because once this is in place, it will never go away. This is the new World Order so be ready and make damn sure you don't let go of your guns.
We Americans have always been proud of our rights to privacy. This act completely infringes upon this right. The minimum requirements which would be in these ID cards were stated in the article. This is alot of information and this is the minimum of what may be used. This legislation was passed by government officials but what about us, the citizens on which this law will be imposed upon. I certainly do not want to have one of these ID cards with the microchips in it. So what the government is going to force me to have one to conform with the status quo. I think not. Before legislation of this manner is passed and put into affect it shouldn't be left simply to the government, which should be protecting our rights not destroying them by giving out such private information, but to us the individuals. We as the American people should be the ones making such a decision. If the government deso this, imagine once these cards become integrated into society. Everything may depend on these microchips that are used to identify us. Even more personal information may be used, every moment of our lives could be tracked. These cards are nothing more than a form of control. Our location would always be known using satellite positioning, medical information could be passed on, etc. Do we really want this information to be so easily accessible. I mean sure some may think that it is a benefit in case someone goes missing and such, but for thousands of others this is a tool to control and watch the Ammerican people. Our ancestors fought for our freedom and rights throughout history. Allowing this to happen would be like spitting on their graves. Our rights and freedom are on the line and we have to do something. We can't let the government pass and implement this legislation because if they do it will mean our lives.
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How will those of us who do not have Birth Certificates be able access the required documents? e.g,; I was born in The Territory of Alaska, before it was a State and do not posseess a birth certificate. So that I and others like me will be deprived of Drivers license, Social Security, bank accounts, etc. ???
Read this linked story and the related stories about an ?electronic id card? and decide for yourself if Revelation 13:16-17 of the Bible isn?t just one step away from being a reality in our lives! I?ve been following this technology for 12 years and have watched the words of an R&D engineer (formally with the NSA) come to pass with this technology. We are being ?rocked? to sleep but need to wake up or it will be too late! Email and call your congressmen and say NO to this technology!
Ever since Mr.Bush stepped in the White House, I sensed many terrible things could happen. And not because I am a sensitive, just because I'm a democrat and I believe that this country falling in the wromg hands could end up more or less like it is now. War, destruction all over, hatred against Americans and now a way to control us when this country was supposed to be a land of liberty.
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The Real ID Card is simply a disguised forerunner of this chip. The whole deal is insidously masked under the word "protection."
Protection from terrorism, illegal immigration, identity theft etc...
2 of those 3 could be accomplished by simply protecting our borders. There is no need for an ID card or chip implant.
Read the book of Revelations (Bible). Prophesy is being fulfilled. 1st the card - then the implanted chip. Without it you will not be able to collect income from any source, buy or sell, own property, a car, a bank account, a driver's license, get medical attention and you will be outcast if not hunted.
We have already become a cashless society. The card and/or chip will also soon take place of your personal credit cards. You'll simply use the Real ID Card or an implanted chip (next step) to pay bills and conclude transactions.
This is the ultimate tracking device. Your liberty, existence, and even your ultimate destiny are now at stake.
Use your head - due your due diligence. Read the prophetic books of the Bible, especially the Book of Revelations, your choices, the decisions you make now are VITAL.
Don't take this lightly - don't dismiss it. Do your research. We, Americans, are in critical danger. This is no joke and the mark of the beast - Satan - is coming soon to a town near you. You have until May 11th, 2008. The final count down is here and you can call this new card whatever you like but it is the beginning of total destruction of our way of life as we now know it.
This has been planned for years. The power people have been secretly building the "New World Order" which will be run by the Anti-Christ. This is no joke.
DO YOUR RESEARCH now because you don't have much time before you will be given a definite ultimatum. The way you choose will be the most important choice of your life - period.
A good site with a lot of information is:
<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://endtime.com/" target="_newWindow">http://endtime.com/</a>
Hopefully you are not hard hearded or to ignorant to realize you may not have the real truth in what you believe the RealID Card might be. IF you are believing what is told to you via our top leaders and past leaders of this country you will be duped just as we were with "The Victory Tax" during WWII.
Trust me - things are coming to a close and it won't be a pretty picture.
I wish everyone that reads this the best and I sinserley hope you make the right choice.
What doctor in his or her right mind would ever allow themselves to put a human being in pains way (even if only for a moment) for a chip that has personal information on it? NO ONE! That is the most retarded thing I've heard all summer. The government isn't a big bad wolf that's out to get you... believe me, my dad works for the government, and I know how it works, apparently better than you do. How can you say something like that, burn your own country's foundation and still live here? MOVE OUT IF YOU"RE SO PARANOID!!
-Dan Troxell, 16
Yelm High School
Washington State
Godspeed
AJ
Passing any cop and he knows who you are.
Possibly any politician & he knows who you are.
Entering any building and someone there knows who you are.
Entering a bathroom stall & someone knowing it's you.
At the checkout at a supermarket they know who you are.
You meet a certain young lady privately and someone knows.
Someone's cell phone reads your private info.
You go to Mac Donalds and they know who you are!
Everywhere you go SOMEONE KNOWS & CAN WATCH AND TRACK YOU.
Think I'm paranoid? This technology already exists just waiting for you.
Don't allow it.
When the next major terrorist strike hits the United States and this Real ID fails to protect our homeland as it's supposed to do.
That's when this New World Order leader will insist that we be chip implanted, as that will be the next step in the slippery slope to the end of times.
We have already become a hopeless society folks, it's too late, too many of the masses were fooled by their leaders, and the voices of those who spoke out against were not listened to and in fact they were ganged up on.
Your own misery lies ahead of you for your ignorance.
We can now track all those terrorist-loving-American-hating democrats (I mean terrorist-loving-American-hating-unAmericans!). God Bless the USA!!!
You state that "we" will be able to track the people that you describe as "terrorist-loving-American-hating democrats", and I'm wondering who are the "we" to whom you refer?
If you re-read the accounts of Moses and the Pharaoh, you might find as I did, it interesting that every time Moses went to plead to the Pharaoh to let his people go, "God" hardened the Pharaoh's heart. In the short and narrow view, one might question as to why God would harden the Pharaoh's heart and cause more suffering for his chosen people at thr hands of the Pharaoh. It's only when you look at the end do you see the total picture. When Pharaoh told Moses to take his people and go, the Egyptians gave the Jews gold, silver, and all kinds of wealth. The fact is God hardened Pharaoh's heart so that when his chosen people did leave, they didn't leave poor....but rather quite wealthy.
Also with Peter, Jesus told him that he would deny Jesus, 3 times. Was Peter any less of a follower of Christ when he denied him 3 times before the **** crowed? No, but it had to happen.
The Anti-Christ is already here...who he is and how he rises to power is still yet to be seen (or recognized). But certain things and events have to happen for the fulfillment of everything written in the book Revelation.
Some of the reasons, said and unsaid, surrounding the necessity of the new ?NID? are to be able to better ?identify? bona fide American citizens (through their various day to day activities, bank withdrawals, etc.) and help discern ?terrorists? from those same bona fide law-abiding citizens. However, after a bit of reflection, and for more than one reason, this assumption seems a bit superfluous.
? Terrorists:
First of all, no self-respecting terrorist would even consider coming into this country without some kind of ?proper? identification. If identification of Americans is concentrated in one ID card, you can believe international forgers are going to be manufacturing them wholesale within minutes of the ?NID? law being passed.
As a result, it will make it even easier for a ?terrorist? to pass him/herself off to most law enforcement officials as a bona fide law-abiding American by presenting only this one ID card. The only people really profiting from this law will be the forgers, and the terrorists who will now need only one piece of identification to justify their presence, instead of many.
? Identity theft:
Identity theft, a growing problem in this age of mass communication/information access, will be even easier as a result of concentrating all the pertinent information about a person into the data base behind one card; a card that, if stolen or lost, can provide the finder (or one skilled in ?hacking? or other kinds of ?information transfer?) access to all the information needed to steal the unfortunate victims identity, and use it as he/she will; for personal gain or for terrorism.
? So, why is this happening?
In fact, the question arises, why an ?NID? at all? Various answers have been given, but most focus on or around a concentration of information about the individual within a single government archive to make it easier for that same government to access up to the minute information about anyone at any time, in order to umm?, umm.., service us better?
Information is power. So the government or certain people now in the government, want more power? I thought the constitution had safeguards against this kind of thing. If not, then it?s time for another amendment to the constitution.
People thirsting after power are usually afraid of something. Who are the ?NID? people afraid of, terrorists, those who disagree with them, the American people in general? If so, I suggest they read their history, where they might find that one doesn?t identify the few by sequestering the many; regardless of whether that sequestering is by force, fence or ID card.
The idea of a national identification card seems to be based more on paranoia than rationality. The people in power (who are supposed to be representing us, not repressing us) should try to make decisions based on empathy, rationality and intelligence, rather than blind, paranoid emotionalism.
? Who should really carry a national identity card?
It makes more sense for those wanting a NID to demand that terrorists carry ID cards; at least we would know who they are and perhaps get them some counseling before they go and blow themselves up, and some of us with them. Or even better, why not demand that those who are demanding we carry ID cards carry their own cards, to identity who they are so we can keep them far, far away from our constitutionally guaranteed rights; you know, those rights that stipulate that Americans have the right to privacy, pursuit of happiness, etc., without having Big Bother (Sorry, that was ?Brother?, wasn?t it?) looking down our throats and telling us who, what, where, why, and how much we are at any given time?
Folks, we have to peel ourselves away from the TV and take a look around. Something is happening?and I don?t know what it is, do you Mr. Jones?
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If the government deso this, imagine once these cards become integrated into society. Everything may depend on these microchips that are used to identify us. Even more personal information may be used, every moment of our lives could be tracked. These cards are nothing more than a form of control. Our location would always be known using satellite positioning, medical information could be passed on, etc. Do we really want this information to be so easily accessible. I mean sure some may think that it is a benefit in case someone goes missing and such, but for thousands of others this is a tool to control and watch the Ammerican people.
Our ancestors fought for our freedom and rights throughout history. Allowing this to happen would be like spitting on their graves. Our rights and freedom are on the line and we have to do something. We can't let the government pass and implement this legislation because if they do it will mean our lives.
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