This is actually very smart of Jobs to say. After all, what does he have to lose? It's very unlikely that the music companies will do it. And Jobs appears the hero to his legions of followers. And, if the music companies eventually do go along with it, it won't be because Jobs says they should give up DRM. It will be because they believe they can make more money by doing so.
Well done, Mr. Jobs! You should run for political offce: You've displayed mastery of the delicate art of not giving an inch to your competition, while at the same time making it appear to the public that you're in complete agreement with him.
Well all politicians a great liars --- so he should be good at it...
Because he's a liar too...
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Consumer litigation against DRM Steve Jobs was the first industry figure to convince the labels to offer downloads without many restrictions on copying and burning. However, the parties agreed to deploy Apple's FairPlay DRM, which prevents songs purchased at the iTunes store from playing in any other player than the iPod because of Apple's refusal to license FairPlay to other music services, or in turn, license competitors' DRM technology. European legislators have been giving considerable attention to this "interoperability" failure. But Norway recently actually declared Apple was engaging in anti-competitive behaviour, giving the company until October to repair the situation or shut down. In addition the campaign has been joined by consumer lobbies in four other countries: Sweden, Denmark, France and Germany. If these initiatives are successful, they could be enough to break FairPlay and make Apple either license FairPlay or shutdown iTunes in Europe.
In the United States, Apple's Fairplay also faces a legal onslaught. In Tucker vs. Apple Computer led in July in the US District Court, Northern District of California, the plaintiff alleges that Apple unfairly restricts consumer choice because it does not load onto the iPod the software needed to play music that uses Microsoft's protected standards (PlaysForSure and the new Zune DRM) in addition to Apple's own. The suit is seeking damages for anyone who purchased an iPod or content from iTunes after April 2003. A motion filed by Apple to dismiss the charges was denied.
What a crock! "Opening the FairPlay DRM technology wouldn't be a wise strategy because Apple would have to give up the secrets of how that technology works, and it's likely that a hack for the technology would appear very quickly, Jobs wrote" HEY STEVE, here's an idea, and you don't have to disclose any secrets of your precious "FairPlay" : How about providing iPod support for WMA, like every other mp3/media player sold out there? I know Bill Gates and Microsoft would provide a FREE license to you, just as they do to Napster, Rhapsody, URGE, & every other online music store.
MS doesn't make a player for the Mac that will play WMA 10, the encoded version. The Windows Media Player distributed for OS X only plays the unencoded WMA 9.
For starters: MS stopped releasing or supporting WMA, WMV & WMP for any Apple Products well over a year ago. MS said there were (sub-par) 3rd party products available for Macs to use for playing those formats on thier computers.
Secondly: WMA is also DRM'd.
Thirdly: What Job's is suggesting is having the record labels get rid of all DRM requirements. That way iTunes would be free to offer music in AAC or MP3 formats with no DRM restrictions.
Why Apple haters consider this to be a "crock" is beyond me. I thought that anyone who hates the RIAA and DRM would be jumpng for joy that Job's would publicly come out on thier side.
But nooooooooo. Probably because it wasn't Billies idea.
"In such a world, any player can play music purchased from any store, and any store can sell music which is playable on all players. This is clearly the best alternative for consumers..."
Which is precisely what consumers had in every format right up to the "legal" versions of digital downloads. Industry greed, supported by allegations of FUD imposed new restrictions on purchases, simply because they could get away with it. They leveraged the DMCA to remove already tried fair use rights. The industry is responsible for this mess and Jobs is right. The whole progrm should be done away with. The whole DRM program was NEVER about P2P piracy, and has made ZERO impact on that problem. It was always about controlling the paying consumers... forcing multiple purchases, preventing the resale of music (think used CD market) and stepping towards a pay per use model that nobody but the RIAA shareholders wants.
The Recording Industry Association of America, however, issued a statement interpreting Jobs' letter as an offer to license the FairPlay technology.
"Apple's offer to license FairPlay to other technology companies is a welcome breakthrough and would be a real victory for fans, artists and labels. There have been many services seeking a license to the Apple DRM. This would enable the interoperability that we have been urging for a very long time," it said in an e-mailed statement."
The RIAA must be as illiterate as they are stupid. Jobs offered nothing of the sort, and in fact clearly repudiated the idea in the letter. This statement by the RIAA is obvious smoke to cover their resistance to the idea. (One can only hope the source of the smoke is the friction of RIAA execs cornholing each onther in those luxury offices and backroom palaces they've contructed on the profits stolen from musicians for decades.)
Given the lies they've been spouting for years now, this should come as no surprise. What is surprising is how many politicians believe they can accept and act on this nonsense without the public noticing. We notice. We know you've been bought by the RIAA. Nobody is fooled. "Res ispa loquitor"
A PR Game. The end result? iTunes business as usual.
Jobs knows that the music industry is not about to go DRM-free. He just wants to divert attention away from Apple's lame excuses for refusing to license their FairPlay-DRM to other companies. The end result? iPod/iTunes business as usual, with the music industry taking the blame for iTune's Walled Garden.
I really do wander if Jobs would have done this if there was increased rumbling and threats of sanctions fomr various European countries about unfair business practices with regards to iTunes. For some reason I don't think so.
Jobs is a business man, if you have a model that works you don't change it unless you have to. In this case it looks like he has to. Also, I don't think he'll ever go through with this. It completely breaks the iTunes/iPod business model. If you can suddenly play all of your iTune stores songs on another player then it really lowers the barrier to switching to less expensive hardware. This means that while there might be some cachet to using an iPod it will no longer be a requirement. It also will accelerate the 'walkman'ization of PMPs - just look at what happened to Sony when you could get a walkman type cassette player at 7-11 for $8.
Oh, as to Steve Jobs' commitment to breaking down DRM - do any of you remember what happened when another player company (was it creative?) found a way to play AAC iTunes protected songs on their players? With the next rev of iTunes they changed the scheme just enough to prevent that from happening.
No it was "Real". They cracked the FairPlay DRM to be inter-operable with their Real Harmony store. I remember Apple calling them hackers for that and threatening to sue them. Apple promptly sent out an iTunes update to break the harmony. Talk about hypocrisy.
You are probably poor or lower middle class and can't afford Apple products
explorer5 - it's obvious that you're a Microsoft Fanboy but you're completely delusional and in so much self-denial to think all those apple adds are false wake up from your coma that is your pathetic PC (Piece of Crap).
Sounds like you are a typical elitist Apple zealot who thinks he is better than everybody else. Owning Apple products has become on par with driving an ultra expensive car, its all about overcompensating for other shortcomings.
ur an ******* "to poor and lower middle class to afford apple products! im 17 and lower middle class and i have an imac g5, ipod, and a car and i bought it with my own money that i got from my job (things that normal ppl get to pay bills and stuff, u prob dont have to worry about that) so **** u!
Does his opinion apply to movies also? I think the real problem is people are still viewing content in mediacentric paradigms....it's time the system is reconstructed to take the "buying a CD" mentality out of it.
I can appreciate the value of switching to non drm music, however I do not think this solves an important problem with mp3 players. This problem is that companies force you to use their software and their mp3 players with each other and lock out other combinations. For example, I have an iPod but prefer WMP 11 to iTunes. I have found a program to let me do this (xplay, which is the software that first enabled iPod use with windows back when they were exclusively Mac formated) but Apple tries at every oppurtunity to lock this out. The Zune suffers from this situation as well, as most people say that the Zune software is horrible. I think that the removal of DRM is the first step toward a more open mp3 future, but more needs to be done to give consumers a choice.
Um, seriously, did you? Using non-DRM would most CERTAINLY solve this issue, as all the programs support MP3s. If they are non- DRM, you could use any application you wanted.
In the 21st century and beyond, everyone in between artists and fans are going to need to justify their jobs. Music's current business model dates back to the 50's, where music lables know what consumers want and control virtually the entire process. Futhermore, relying on pop garbage and flavors of the month isnt going to fly.
I think the model of having a "friend" P2P music for me is what works. It sucks but hey, propose a model thats as appealing as P2P, but not as intrusive and restrictive as DRM.
Here in Europe many consumer organizations have attacked against iTunes, not only because of the incompatible DRM but also because of the dubious (and illegal in Norway for example) terms which for example give Apple the permission to change the terms of service without notice.
I found it very hard to imagine that Job's letter wouldn't sound at least a little false even to the ears of most fanatic Apple-believers.
The closed iTunes/iPod - system has been the key to Apples's success in this area and I really doubt if Apple would have been so eager to embrace the DRMless world a few years back. Licensing the FairPlay DRM would be the obvious thing to do now, but if Job's babble about "losing valuable secrets" is not a lame excuse then I don't know what is. Funny how the other internet music stores can still function even when they use a licenced DRM.
iTunes and iPods are great products, but Jobs' comments do sound a little hipocrate, a cheapish way to appear the cool guy again after these accusations. As some commentator put it, Jobs isn't obviously too pleased of the way he has been put into the same category of bad monopoly mongrels as Bill Gates in Europe. =D
Apples contract with the big 4 says if FairPlay fails, it has to be fixed within a matter of weeks or they can pull there music from iTunes.
Does MS have the same contract?
Warning: Conspiracy Ahead! Many of the Big 4 don't like Apple's pricing structure. What if Apple licensed FairPlay and one of the licensees fails to correct a FairPlay exploit within the contractual terms. Then a major label pulls their music from iTunes and demands new terms?
It is always about money, and Jobs wants his cut. Of course he is a hypocrite, everyone knows this (if they are intellectually honest). He wants to stake his claim, financially speaking, and it is through the disguise of open this and non-drm that, which will gain him the footing he desires, in fact that he needs.
The iPod is the only reason Apple makes a profit, and he is hell bent on making sure his company does not go out of business, no matter what it takes. On that note, I guess I really don't blame him, I just despise him.
Steve Jobs, using Apple as an example, outlines the current licensing of music by large music producers to whom demand that venders like iPod store track "plays" on specific players. Jobs, rightful so, points out what intelligent music lovers already know...buying cds affords buyers the opportunity to play music anywhere they want to! Therefore, Jobs infers, it is "illogical" to have three percent of the music buying public(downloaders using online stores) to be regulated when 90% of music buyers purchase cds...whick can played "freely" without demanding "imbedded Big Brother". Good argument, Steve!
to shut this pompous ass up. who the hell does he think he is, trying to take over the digital aspects of the recording industry? as usual, all jobs is out for is more and more money, and a vast majority of suckers out there will back him, since all they know is itunes, and think that 99 cents for a song that plays on only one device is worth it. losers.
While you're about removing DRM, please remove the encryption on OS/X so's we can run it on the x386 computer of our choice. There's a digital rights management issue you can fix overnight, without any speeches at all.
I wrote a blog post about this yesterday. I believe that many of the record companies won't go for this unfortuantely, they seem very stuck in their ways.
<a href "http://josh-chandler.blogspot.com/2007/02/apple-setting-drm-free-will-it-work.html"Link to Blog Post>
DRM is a good theory, but it does not give the user total use of their music. I cannot put a song from iTunes on my phone because of this protection. I can not use it in video editing. I can't convert it to mp3 to creat an mp3 cd. I can only use the music on my iPod or computer. It is time that DRM protection is removed and that the music purchasers can have full access to their music.!
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- we all loved our records and CDs and bought them by the ton
- they became comparatively, ridiculously, expensive so when 'online' arrived the shops started emptying
- many of us would love to own a physical music media product complete with artwork and liner notes (remember those?)
- online has forced us to accept lower music quality (128kbs!) which is a compromise I would rather not make.
- sell a CD (or other media) music product for $5 an album and watch the demand sky rocket.
It's a different business model that you need to get your head around. It's based on the most rudimentary rules of supply and demand.
Listen and you will hear the music.
Well done, Mr. Jobs! You should run for political offce: You've displayed mastery of the delicate art of not giving an inch to your competition, while at the same time making it appear to the public that you're in complete agreement with him.
--mark d.
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Consumer litigation against DRM
Steve Jobs was the first industry figure to convince the labels to offer downloads without many restrictions on copying and burning. However, the parties agreed to deploy Apple's FairPlay DRM, which prevents songs purchased at the iTunes store from playing in any other player than the iPod because of Apple's refusal to license FairPlay to other music services, or in turn, license competitors' DRM technology. European legislators have been giving considerable attention to this "interoperability" failure. But Norway recently actually declared Apple was engaging in anti-competitive behaviour, giving the company until October to repair the situation or shut down. In addition the campaign has been joined by consumer lobbies in four other countries: Sweden, Denmark, France and Germany. If these initiatives are successful, they could be enough to break FairPlay and make Apple either license FairPlay or shutdown iTunes in Europe.
In the United States, Apple's Fairplay also faces a legal onslaught. In Tucker vs. Apple Computer led in July in the US District Court, Northern District of California, the plaintiff alleges that Apple unfairly restricts consumer choice because it does not load onto the iPod the software needed to play music that uses Microsoft's protected standards (PlaysForSure and the new Zune DRM) in addition to Apple's own. The suit is seeking damages for anyone who purchased an iPod or content from iTunes after April 2003. A motion filed by Apple to dismiss the charges was denied.
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Think before you propose, unless of course you're running for congress!
encoded version. The Windows Media Player distributed for OS X
only plays the unencoded WMA 9.
MS stopped releasing or supporting WMA, WMV & WMP for any
Apple Products well over a year ago.
MS said there were (sub-par) 3rd party products available for
Macs to use for playing those formats on thier computers.
Secondly:
WMA is also DRM'd.
Thirdly:
What Job's is suggesting is having the record labels get rid of all
DRM requirements. That way iTunes would be free to offer music
in AAC or MP3 formats with no DRM restrictions.
Why Apple haters consider this to be a "crock" is beyond me.
I thought that anyone who hates the RIAA and DRM would be
jumpng for joy that Job's would publicly come out on thier side.
But nooooooooo.
Probably because it wasn't Billies idea.
Which is precisely what consumers had in every format right up to the "legal" versions of digital downloads. Industry greed, supported by allegations of FUD imposed new restrictions on purchases, simply because they could get away with it. They leveraged the DMCA to remove already tried fair use rights. The industry is responsible for this mess and Jobs is right. The whole progrm should be done away with. The whole DRM program was NEVER about P2P piracy, and has made ZERO impact on that problem. It was always about controlling the paying consumers... forcing multiple purchases, preventing the resale of music (think used CD market) and stepping towards a pay per use model that nobody but the RIAA shareholders wants.
"Apple's offer to license FairPlay to other technology companies is a welcome breakthrough and would be a real victory for fans, artists and labels. There have been many services seeking a license to the Apple DRM. This would enable the interoperability that we have been urging for a very long time," it said in an e-mailed statement."
The RIAA must be as illiterate as they are stupid. Jobs offered nothing of the sort, and in fact clearly repudiated the idea in the letter. This statement by the RIAA is obvious smoke to cover their resistance to the idea. (One can only hope the source of the smoke is the friction of RIAA execs cornholing each onther in those luxury offices and backroom palaces they've contructed on the profits stolen from musicians for decades.)
Given the lies they've been spouting for years now, this should come as no surprise. What is surprising is how many politicians believe they can accept and act on this nonsense without the public noticing. We notice. We know you've been bought by the RIAA. Nobody is fooled.
"Res ispa loquitor"
increased rumbling and threats of sanctions fomr various
European countries about unfair business practices with regards
to iTunes. For some reason I don't think so.
Jobs is a business man, if you have a model that works you don't
change it unless you have to. In this case it looks like he has to.
Also, I don't think he'll ever go through with this. It completely
breaks the iTunes/iPod business model. If you can suddenly play
all of your iTune stores songs on another player then it really
lowers the barrier to switching to less expensive hardware. This
means that while there might be some cachet to using an iPod it
will no longer be a requirement. It also will accelerate the
'walkman'ization of PMPs - just look at what happened to Sony
when you could get a walkman type cassette player at 7-11 for
$8.
Oh, as to Steve Jobs' commitment to breaking down DRM - do
any of you remember what happened when another player
company (was it creative?) found a way to play AAC iTunes
protected songs on their players? With the next rev of iTunes
they changed the scheme just enough to prevent that from
happening.
completely delusional and in so much self-denial to think all those
apple adds are false wake up from your coma that is your pathetic
PC (Piece of Crap).
Though it isn't as personal, seeing as there isn't really a legal way to build your own mac.
Jobs is asking for what? Hey Jobs.. pot kettle black.
www.philoking.com
solve this issue, as all the programs support MP3s. If they are non-
DRM, you could use any application you wanted.
I think the model of having a "friend" P2P music for me is what works. It sucks but hey, propose a model thats as appealing as P2P, but not as intrusive and restrictive as DRM.
I found it very hard to imagine that Job's letter wouldn't sound at least a little false even to the ears of most fanatic Apple-believers.
The closed iTunes/iPod - system has been the key to Apples's success in this area and I really doubt if Apple would have been so eager to embrace the DRMless world a few years back.
Licensing the FairPlay DRM would be the obvious thing to do now, but if Job's babble about "losing valuable secrets" is not a lame excuse then I don't know what is. Funny how the other internet music stores can still function even when they use a licenced DRM.
iTunes and iPods are great products, but Jobs' comments do sound a little hipocrate, a cheapish way to appear the cool guy again after these accusations. As some commentator put it, Jobs isn't obviously too pleased of the way he has been put into the same category of bad monopoly mongrels as Bill Gates in Europe. =D
fixed within a matter of weeks or they can pull there music from
iTunes.
Does MS have the same contract?
Warning: Conspiracy Ahead! Many of the Big 4 don't like Apple's
pricing structure. What if Apple licensed FairPlay and one of the
licensees fails to correct a FairPlay exploit within the contractual
terms. Then a major label pulls their music from iTunes and
demands new terms?
The iPod is the only reason Apple makes a profit, and he is hell bent on making sure his company does not go out of business, no matter what it takes. On that note, I guess I really don't blame him, I just despise him.
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