Comments on: Virgin: Apple's not playing fair with iPod

Online music store files a complaint, claiming that Apple's refusal to license FairPlay, the copy protection in iPod, harms competition.

[mcps95]

Quit whining and out-innovate!

What happened to the good old days when companies would actually work on out-innovating its competitors rather than dragging them to court? It seems we're creating a culture of sue-happy companies who feel it's easier to have their legal departments file suits than to have their engineers create.

[David Arbogast]

hear hear

Agreed. This reminds me of earlier in the year when the open source community tried to convince Sun that if they didn't give away java technology to the os community, that it would die a miserable death and be replaced by PERL.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
....phew. Sorry 'bout that.

What Apple should do, is license the technology at a rate of $0.99 per song. That way, nobody could afford to sell a song for less than $1, like Apple does.

[mcps95]

Quit whining and out-innovate!

What happened to the good old days when companies would actually work on out-innovating its competitors rather than dragging them to court? It seems we're creating a culture of sue-happy companies who feel it's easier to have their legal departments file suits than to have their engineers create.

[David Arbogast]

hear hear

Agreed. This reminds me of earlier in the year when the open source community tried to convince Sun that if they didn't give away java technology to the os community, that it would die a miserable death and be replaced by PERL.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
....phew. Sorry 'bout that.

What Apple should do, is license the technology at a rate of $0.99 per song. That way, nobody could afford to sell a song for less than $1, like Apple does.

[unknown unknown]

Not surprising.

They did it to Microsoft with its protocols and API, and now they're doing to Apple with their DRM and iPod. Considering that both companies have dominant product this type of action is not surprising. Now it's Apple's turn to fend off all the corporate lawyers who smell money.

[unknown unknown]

Not surprising.

They did it to Microsoft with its protocols and API, and now they're doing to Apple with their DRM and iPod. Considering that both companies have dominant product this type of action is not surprising. Now it's Apple's turn to fend off all the corporate lawyers who smell money.

[Brich]

Virgin and Real

I wonder if Virgin is planning to take Real to task because they haven't opened up their Rhapsody store and Harmony technology to Mac users with iPods....seems like Real is restricting consumer choice.

[unknown unknown]

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The differance is that Apple has dominant position in music download service and portable player market . Real doesn't have either. I was against this when they did it to Microsoft over their APIs and network protocols because it sets a precident of punishing the leader of a market, and now (big surprise *sarcasm) they're trying to do it to Apple.

[PCCRomeo]

They Can't!!

Virgin and Real can't open their services to the iPod because Apple won't let them! But Apple will pay in the end, like soo many times before!

[Brich]

Virgin and Real

I wonder if Virgin is planning to take Real to task because they haven't opened up their Rhapsody store and Harmony technology to Mac users with iPods....seems like Real is restricting consumer choice.

[unknown unknown]

reply

The differance is that Apple has dominant position in music download service and portable player market . Real doesn't have either. I was against this when they did it to Microsoft over their APIs and network protocols because it sets a precident of punishing the leader of a market, and now (big surprise *sarcasm) they're trying to do it to Apple.

[PCCRomeo]

They Can't!!

Virgin and Real can't open their services to the iPod because Apple won't let them! But Apple will pay in the end, like soo many times before!

[PCCRomeo]

The Fall of the iPod!!!

For the past year it's been iPod this, iPod that. I am SICK of hearing about the iPod!! You would think it was the very first MP3 player to be manufactured. Yes, at one time I did like the iPod, but when I wanted to buy one and they wouldn't let me, nor neither of my sisters lease it, but now, I'm glad they wouldn't let me because the Dell DJ is MUCH better and is way better, but you never hear about it because all that's ever talked about the iPod. It has less battery life and is way more expensive with less storage, but yet it's still ranked #1.

[Brian Breeding]

Re Fall of the iPod

Poor little Greg. No one wants to hear about your personal
problems. If just playing your music is all that matters, I am
sure the Dell is a fine product, in a provincial, primitive way. But
then I bet you think MS XP is a "way better" OS. Or maybe you
think a Yugo is a "way better" car also?

[PCCRomeo]

The Fall of the iPod!!!

For the past year it's been iPod this, iPod that. I am SICK of hearing about the iPod!! You would think it was the very first MP3 player to be manufactured. Yes, at one time I did like the iPod, but when I wanted to buy one and they wouldn't let me, nor neither of my sisters lease it, but now, I'm glad they wouldn't let me because the Dell DJ is MUCH better and is way better, but you never hear about it because all that's ever talked about the iPod. It has less battery life and is way more expensive with less storage, but yet it's still ranked #1.

[Brian Breeding]

Re Fall of the iPod

Poor little Greg. No one wants to hear about your personal
problems. If just playing your music is all that matters, I am
sure the Dell is a fine product, in a provincial, primitive way. But
then I bet you think MS XP is a "way better" OS. Or maybe you
think a Yugo is a "way better" car also?

I am sorry to know

that Apple is run by simple geeks who can't smell
business opportunity.

First, they didn't licence the MacOs, and M$ took
advantage of the simpletons, gave the world a
choice, made untold billions, and left them with
3% share for the desktop market.

Perhaps they feel that "afterall, the money is in
the hardware". But some other folks are known to
have made this same colossal and classical
mistake.

Apple has tested the MacOs on the x86 platform and
claims that it runs just fine.
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,113114,00.asp
But Steve is afraid of M$. Take an analogy, The
Devil (I mean Satan -- the real one) does not play
fair. So what do you do? You defend yourself with
all you've got! Does M$ play fair? Certainy not.
for examples, what is M$ doing with Virtual PC
for Macs?

I can't tell for sure that MacOs on x86 will be a
runaway success but I really think that with the
way PC user are clamouring to an alternative to
Windoze, it is worth giving it a shot.

If you can't learn from your mistakes or other
peoples glaring gaffes, then you lack basic
survival skills and you are not just a simpleton,
you are a moron.

The iPod will eventually be replaced by other
hardware that make use of licensable technology.
Make no mistake about that.

I am sorry to know

that Apple is run by simple geeks who can't smell
business opportunity.

First, they didn't licence the MacOs, and M$ took
advantage of the simpletons, gave the world a
choice, made untold billions, and left them with
3% share for the desktop market.

Perhaps they feel that "afterall, the money is in
the hardware". But some other folks are known to
have made this same colossal and classical
mistake.

Apple has tested the MacOs on the x86 platform and
claims that it runs just fine.
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,113114,00.asp
But Steve is afraid of M$. Take an analogy, The
Devil (I mean Satan -- the real one) does not play
fair. So what do you do? You defend yourself with
all you've got! Does M$ play fair? Certainy not.
for examples, what is M$ doing with Virtual PC
for Macs?

I can't tell for sure that MacOs on x86 will be a
runaway success but I really think that with the
way PC user are clamouring to an alternative to
Windoze, it is worth giving it a shot.

If you can't learn from your mistakes or other
peoples glaring gaffes, then you lack basic
survival skills and you are not just a simpleton,
you are a moron.

The iPod will eventually be replaced by other
hardware that make use of licensable technology.
Make no mistake about that.