Comments on: Senate bill would ban P2P networks

Bill would outlaw file-trading networks such as Kazaa, Morpheus. Also potentially at risk: MP3 players and other devices.

Whats the point of anything that records then?

Go figure. Sometimes the US can just go a little bit too far. Isn't everything that communicates to the internet a peer-to-peer in some respect? Web, Ftp, RTSP, VoIP?? Or what about the phone?
a number -to- another number... peer to peer? So, lets us all trash our technology and move back into caves. Oh i forgot, that would be trespassing probably.
Jack.

[Jim Harmon]

Movie studios are guilty!!!

Hey, with the enticing advertisements they create - movie studios are inducing people to violate copyright laws!

And, by transmitting them, television stations are also inducing people to violate copyright laws.

By telling your co-worker how much you loved the movie you just went to see, you're inducing that person to violate copyright laws.

We won't even BEGIN to discuss how Blockbuster not only induces people... they're PROFITTING multi-millions (if not billions) of dollars from it.

Oh yeah... we need this law like we need "Big Brother" in our living rooms and bedrooms.

[Garou]

Attack the users not the programs.

People will always create copys of stuff and distribute it in some form. There will always be some way to do this. Even if its done at an off shore website. There will always be those.

The problem is that P2P is still extremely usefull for lots of legal reasons.

Saying that the fact that P2Ps Induce Infringement of Copyrights. Is like saying banks induce people to rob them. Lets close all the banks. The production of cars induces people to car jack. Owning a store causes a person to shoplift from it. Come on people, where do we draw the line people?

If they want to do everyone a service They need to police these services rather then shutting them down. ASCAP and who everelse that has a problem with the criminal acts needs to hire people to go on these services and nab the peope that are actually hosting copy writen material.

If I put a copy of WindowsXP on the net be it a P2P server, web page, ftp site or whatever then I deserve to be punished. Not the service I use and not the people I tell "uh, yeah this is legal".

Its time to start busting the real criminals out there.

~Jim Hines

[Garou]

What other laws could we be breaking?

This just frustrates me to no end. First they wanted to ban MP3s because it was an easy format to steal music. Now they want to shut down all P2P services because its an easy way to distribute them.

Why stop with P2P lets just shut down the whole internet because it makes it easy to distribute illegal media. Not just music but movies and software as well.

Ive always had one valid question on this subject. If I record something off TV am I breaking the law? I assume I can record and watch something at least once. Isnt that what VCRs and Tivo are for so I can see something I missed while out of the house? If it has comercials I just fast forward through them. Isnt that how its suposed to be paid for. I see a comercial and then go buy the stuff? So if I dont watch the comercials or if dont buy the products advertised... Did I just steal something?

If I record a movie off HBO and watch it several times am I stealing it from a video store or even HBO every time I watch it? I mean I did pay a fee to watch the channel but if I see something repeatedly when its not being shown an I breaking the law? How about pay perview. If I record it and watch it again technically I didnt pay for the extra viewings. I guess really should have just bought it or even rented it every time. Then Id be sure I wasnt doing something wrong.

How about if I rent or buy a video and have a bunch of friends over to watch it... Is that illegal mass distrobution? If they bring snacks and share them with me did I just take payment for showing the movie?

Read the fine print in the disclaimers on a movie sometime.It is illegal to show the movie publicly. What is conciderd public? If I have 30 people over to watch a movie is that conciderd a public showing? All the geeks out there that are having Starwars or Lord of the Rings parties may be breaking the law.

This is important information to know because as they crack down tighter on all of these laws... what once seemed legal may not be anymore.

~Jim Hines

[Sentinel]

Why not ban computers while you're at it?

Right, so now, VCRs, DVDRs, CDRs and everything else that can be used to make backup copies is illegal? Why not ban computers too? Scanners make it possible to copy copyrighted pictures too. Let's ban them too. After all, if you can make a copy of something, you are inducing piracy. In fact, let's ban paper, too, because I can use it to copy literary works. Let's ban pencils, let's ban pens and paint brushes. Say, let's ban creativity as well. After all, if we create something, we are inducing others to copy it.

[flomt]

What about printers and copies

All printers and copiers also allow you to infringe on copyrights. You could even throw paper and pencils. May even have to toss in about every major software product.

[CBTaters]

Where are the Parents in All This?

Hiding from defacs. If You punish your child he tells them and the stick the noises in your bussiness. Now I am agaist Child abuse 100% but how you correct you child is your onw bussiness ass log as you do not phyiscally harm hinn or her in any way.

[shawncmyers]

DEFACS

The parents are scared. When your up against evil what exactly are you supposed to do? Right or wrong something is defitnately wrong with the system!

GIVE ME AN EVER LOVIN' #@%$&' BREAK

Tell you what, as soon as you start going after nations like China, which dedicates entire factories backed by government subsidies to copyright infringement, then I'll stop my pathetic bit of copying. YOU KNOW this is where real copyright infringement is occuring!!! This will solve nothing, because the vast majority of copying is not occuring from this source and going after P2P file sharers is like arresting a pot smoker, instead of going after the seller. Don't go after P2P people just because they are easier to catch. Not only does this waste money that could be better spent elsewhere, but only promotes the illusion that you are doing your job!!! Obviously, this type of thing only means something to people that live a, "Brady Bunch" lifestyle and don't have any real problems. DO ME A FAVOR: Save your emotion for those that can be manipulated by it!! We can't even keep phedophiles away from our children and they are worried about this...I suppose we haven't got bigger problem, do we? This measure will only achieve what politicians(as well as RUSH LIMBAUGH for that matter)covet the most: DISTRACTION!!!!!
The RIAA claim they have to do this because illegal copying has caused record sales to drop. While this may be true now(or has creative accounting not only become a catch-phase but contagious?)this was not true before Napster was shut-down. In fact, record sales were actually up before they pulled the plug on Napster. When this happened Napster users wanted to boycott the record stores, but Napster being a class act, said no to this. What do you think...? Excessive copying or record buyer's backlash? You be the judge. Perhaps, the RIAA wouldn't be complaining now if they hadn't started complaining before and shut-down Napster in the first place.
Oh, by the way, if you make any copies of this document, in whole or any part thereof, display on an overhead projector, translate through interpretive dance or sign language, transmit through the use of smoke signals, any part of this document, without the express written permission of the author, you, too, may well be guilty of copyright infringement and will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law!!! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! Ah, bite me very much...!!!!
Whew...that's more than I've written in 20 years. Something about this issue lit a fire under my butt!!! I CAN'T STOP...SOMEBODY STOP ME...HELP!!!

What about artists

With this broad term "induce" used in this bill would the artists that they are trying to protect be held liable for "inducing" a child to kill by giving them the mental mind set with their music that it is ok to "pop a cap" into some one when you are mad at them ? Sure the bill is about programs and devices but the greatest tool we have is influence and an artist has a great deal of influance on children and in many cases is wrecklessly using that tool to "induce" a child to break the law in one way or another.

[stashathj]

Priority, first things first

Lets worry a bit more about getting rid of the Congress & senate perks and the pork barrel waste before getting so excited about P2P. Let?s also get government out of the big business concerns and start investigating some of the senators and congressmen incomes and where they come from.