Comments on: Senate bill would ban P2P networks

Bill would outlaw file-trading networks such as Kazaa, Morpheus. Also potentially at risk: MP3 players and other devices.

[unknown unknown]

No big surprise...

that this bill receives the support from the biggest content industry shills in congress. As for children who use P2P being exploited, where are the parents in all this?

[applian]

chills innovation

Great software for personal-use recording, like Replay Music or Replay Radio, could be in jeopardy if this bill ever sees the light of day.

See what may no longer be available:
www.replay-radio.com

and

www.replay-music.com

promotes "better" piracy

All this bill will do is cause people/companies to start creating "private" technologies that work to hide from snooping jerkoffs like the riaa or other anti freedom corporations.

[brbubba]

That's True

Let's see them try to prosecute an encrypted P2P client. Also Kazaa is based in Australia I thought, so last time I checked the US had no jurisdiction there.

I am sick of these idiot politicians making policies about technologies that they don't even fully comprehend. It just goes to show that policy makers of the future will have to be more than just elected in order to make unbiased decisions.

[stephenmeyer]

Your right..."Better" Piracy will emerge...

As I stated in my other post...all this Bill will do is encourage people to start their own Intranets offline to file-share and download. being offline they can't be monitored.

What's more important is they can NEVER shut down all the P2P websites because so many are now GLOBAL and they have no aothority to do so outside our borders.

what do you mean 'induce'?

As I would use the term 'induce' I don't see a problem. The question is how the bill defines it.

[Fray9]

Much too broad and unenforcable

With the current wording of this law everything from the copy machine to the ball point pen would be illegal.

ISPs wont be help liable? Up until someone sues them that is. Giving someone an internet connection that can be used for piracy is inducement according to this law.

Then theres the fact that short of calling your program "Piracy v3.0" and describing it as "A tool for pirating copyrighted material" there is no way to prove that pretty much any technology (including p2p networks) are designed to promote piracy, merely that they can be used for such.

But then again just about any technology can be used for piracy from a stick of chalk to every device, computer, server, router, etc currently attached to the internet.

This law will either have no effect or outlaw almost everything.

Considering that, is it really worth putting into effect?

Has anyone even bothered to think about how the public will react?

[simcity1976]

Bill will be smashed like a bug or water down

There is no way this bill in current form will live to see approval. There is to many other corporations out there that will realize that this bill would make them outlaws, even the backers of this bill who make cd writers will eventually abandon this bill.

Its time to go on the attack

OK, time to see what my idiot Senators here in Washington think of this ***CRAP***. Cantwell, Dunn, listen up morons, don't make me dedicate my free time to removing you from office. I can get much nastier than you will ever want to sink in public. This I promise.

[domino7]

Congress Should Take A Look At Their Own Dirty P2P's

Before they start curbing more of our free expression, free use, and internet privacy, I think that Congress should look into their own dirty hamper! Check out your own "peers," Barbara Boxer, Bill Frist, et al! Make Bush hand over the rest of the 23 pages requested by Congress with regard to the "allowed torture-methods"! (of the fifty pages they put out, only 3 were part of the 23 requested)! And how about putting some curbs on Rumsfeld? Oh yes, and how about restoring the environmental restrictions on plant emissions? And don't forget to tell those zealots to keep their bloody hands off the Alaska Wildlife Prserves...that's part of their thievery!! And what have they allowed to be stolen from the American people in terms of our name and reputation in the world? Guys, you'd better tend to your own knitting before digging into more of our rights and freedoms.

Corporate America Rules the World

Everyone should be very scared by these new laws preventing technology and tightening copyright laws. It won't be the same world if Corporate America gets everything they ask for. Anything that doesn't serve their best interest it will be illegal.

Typical Govt. Misuse of Power

Why not make a law to protect us from Adware/Spyware and other software that in some cases destroys the computers they are loaded onto(usuallly with out the users knowledge or permission)!
How about making a real "Can Spam" law that can work!
We already have copyright laws on the books and the RIAA is utilizing them already to sue P2P users. All this law would accomplish is that it would now make ISP and Software/Hardware vendors responsable. Sort of like blaming the gun or the SUV and not just the person pulling the trigger or driving the SUV.
Maybe another good bill would be to allow us to make car makers responsible for accidents when people drive drunk.

[Cnet_Lemieux]

Where you think the funding of the polictical parties come from?

Go figure.
LMFAO on such lame reasons of "luring children".

**** you RIAA.
And **** all you corrupted retarded *politicans*.

[stephenmeyer]

This Bill Will Stop NOTHING...

This is all well and good, except P2P Networks are GLOBAL and cannot be regulated outside of our borders. In addition, this will merely create more Intranets among user groups that will be kept off the Internet and hence, the industry won't be able to discover them.

This bill will do very little to stop what's been going on now for almost a decade. The music industry continues to fight this war with weapons that are outdated against today's technology.

If the industry REALLY cares about the music consumer it should: a) lower the price of CDs immediately. List prices between $15-$18.98 are completely unrealistic in time when best-selling DVDs are cheaper and kids (primary target audience for music) have more entertainment choices than ever where to spend their disposable income.

If the RIAA and major labels really believe that legislation like this is their salvation, then they REALLY have no clue what's going on out here in the real world outside their expensive offices where they lunch with their expense accounts.

Intellectual property avenue

I think a good way to approach the situation is to treat the CD format in the way that the RIAA and legislators claim it to be: intellectual property. So that when you buy a CD, you're not buying the CD, you're buying intellectual property and, as such, if you get your CD's stolen and have receipts, then the record companies should have to send you replacements at only the cost of the actual CD (<$1) plus shipping. If they are worried about theft, then they need to address ALL theft. If you are going to have spend a great deal of money on a music collection, there should be some guarantee on our side as well.

[nealda]

CNET Censorship

CNET reserves the right to censor any opinion that it doesn't like. My comment to this story went unposted even though it contained no offensive comments. Ironically, it proved the point I was trying to make -- that corporate media wants to control the flow of ideas. CNET is no different. Censorship is the enemy of democracy. CNET practices censorship of ideas, therefore CNET is opposed to democracy and freedom. Post that.

[weavercs]

What about copiers and scanner?

Wouldn't this bill also make copier and scanner and fax manufacturers liable?

Contact your Senators and Representatives!!!

Senator ________,

I am a longstanding admirer of yours as well as a voting constituent. I appreciate and support all of the hard work that you do and know that you do your best job to make sound decisions and judgements.

With that said, I must ask that you fight against the Induce Act coming before the Senate. The Induce Act, like the DMCA Act of 2000 are a last-ditch effort by monopolistic media companies to empower themselves and their antiquated business models in an effort to avoid adapting to the Internet age. Their lobbying and congressional support is destructive to further development of the Internet, our society, and the freedoms enumerated in the Constitution.

Somehow in the past decade we have come to think that copyright law dictates the use of technology. On the contrary, copyright law has been molded time and again to fit with the technology of the day! The technologies of today are no more different than the invention of the printing press or other monumental inventions which we now regard with both respect and appreciation.

Passing the Induce Act will retard technology and development for the sake of a few (but powerful) luddites who lack the creativity to adapt to a new world. Furthermore, it shows a pitiful lack of long-term vision by the congressional members involved.

The Induce Act (and the former DMCA) are first and foremost unconstitutional, secondly unenforcable, and finally detrimental to the progress of the last decade.

Contrary to popular belief, the lack of Digital Rights Management and iron-fisted copyright control will not: cause artists to starve, exploit children, or destroy capitalism. Please take the time to read this article: http://craphound.com/msftdrm.txt, and rethink your position on DRM, the DMCA, and the Induce Act.

With all due respect,
____________

Contact your Senators and Representatives!!!

Senator ________,

I am a longstanding admirer of yours as well as a voting constituent. I appreciate and support all of the hard work that you do and know that you do your best job to make sound decisions and judgements.

With that said, I must ask that you fight against the Induce Act coming before the S&T subcommittee next week. The Induce Act, like the DMCA Act of 2000 are a last-ditch effort by monopolistic media companies to empower themselves and their antiquated business models in an effort to avoid adapting to the Internet age. Their lobbying and congressional support is destructive to further development of the Internet, our society, and the freedoms enumerated in the Constitution.

Somehow in the past decade we have come to think that copyright law dictates the use of technology. On the contrary, copyright law has been molded time and again to fit with the technology of the day! The technologies of today are no more different than the invention of the printing press or other monumental inventions which we now regard with both respect and appreciation.

Passing the Induce Act will retard technology and development for the sake of a few (but powerful) luddites who lack the creativity to adapt to a new world. Furthermore, it shows a pitiful lack of long-term vision by the congressional members involved.

The Induce Act (and the former DMCA) are first and foremost unconstitutional, secondly unenforcable, and finally detrimental to the progress of the last decade.

Contrary to popular belief, the lack of Digital Rights Management and iron-fisted copyright control will not: cause artists to starve, exploit children, or reinforce communist sentiments. Please take the time to read this article: http://craphound.com/msftdrm.txt, and rethink your position on DRM, the DMCA, and the Induce Act.

With all due respect,
____________

[mll]

Yes, but

We can "argue" whether we are infavor or not of "reasonable" copyright protectiion. I can see the case for having a protected market for the creators and distributers to get profits from their product while still balencing that with the rights to build on top of the creation and to inovate ways to distribute content.

In that sense, I think that P2P networks should be leagal, as should guns, but that the operator should be lible if the MAIN use is for illegal copyright violation, as should gun dealers if they are primarly selling to stores that are not selling guns legally.

Thus I will suggest that the law be "re-written" to define "intentionally induces any violation" as providing a resource that is primarelly used for violation...

Does that make sense, assuming that we don't want to go off into Copyright is Good or Bad?

[mll]

Additional Info

1) I am Mike Liveright (I did not mean to be unknown) My error.

2) See: The Obsessively Annotated Introduction to the INDUCE Act
http://www.corante.com/importance/archives/004563.html

Broad language and broader implications.

"A Senate Judiciary aide who spoke at length on condition of anonymity said concerns about the bill are misguided. The aide argued that the bill essentially reiterates criminal sanctions that already exist and is far less intrusive than other proposals in the Senate--such as one introduced in March 2002 by Sen. Fritz Hollings, D-S.C.--that sought to regulate technology directly."

Concerns are MISGUIDED? I don't think so. The language of this bill says that if a product can be used to infringe on copyright, then said maker or purveyor of product is guilty of inducing copyright infringement and therefore liable.

No matter how you dress this up, it's still an infringement on trade and freedoms. This bill has too broad a scope and can be used to create a condition where nothing and no one is safe. Next thing you know, the legislators and some bright individual eager to make a quick buck at everyone else's expense will claim copyright infringement by taping or burning a copy of what they hear over the radio. Last time I heard, music played over the radio and available on the air waves was free to use or play or copy or do with what the listener will. Think that will last long? Not on your tintype. This needs to be stopped now.

As a writer, I am very aware of copyright infringement and would sue the first person who tried to make money from my hard work, but this is beyond the pale, folks. Wake up and smell the end of freedom as you know it because this bill is just the first step.

[vgraybeard]

Frist, Hatch, RIAA

Yep....bipartisan alright, Hatch and my fellow Tennesseean Frist, along with the infamous RIAA will certainly make things right. The ink won't be dry before RIAA will be abusing the new power.
If there isn't a big campaign contribution in this,I'll eat my hat. if it is no different than laws already on the books? Why the bother?? A government of the RIAA and Hollywood; by the R&H; and for the R&H. In case you are wondering: I have a music collection (a big music collection)and I sometimes add to it. 99% of it is LP's: vinyl and most of the artists have been dead for over 100 years. I don't download any of the garbage that needs so much "protection." I don't have MP3(and i'm not sure what that is.) I do know corruption when I see it. Maybe it would save us a lot of time and money in the courts by just making it illegal to produce the garbage to entice children to break the law. Then, again, from what I read, just maybe, the new law will do just that.
ed vinson

[LANjackal]

Yet Another Ridiculous Legislative Attempt

Wow, at the rate we're going, pretty soon you won't be able to breathe or [use the bathroom] without violating some copyright, patent, or law related thereto. It doesn't have to be that way, however. Join the Electronic Frontier Foundation at www.eff.org and do your part to safeguard your digital rights.