Comments on: Copy-blocked CD tops U.S. charts

Album's success despite use of antipiracy tools could open the floodgates for controversial technology.

[unknown unknown]

That's because the copy protection is easily defeated...

,easier than most any way. Just by pressing shift one can defeat the copy protection and proceed to rip and burn as usual.

[unknown unknown]

That's because the copy protection is easily defeated...

,easier than most any way. Just by pressing shift one can defeat the copy protection and proceed to rip and burn as usual.

Want Velvet Revolver on your iPod?

Buy the latest Velvet Revolver album from the iTunes Music Store
directly. The tracks load right in to your iPod, you save a couple
of bucks vs buying a CD, and you don't have to deal with
another lame copy protection scheme.

[dscherf]

It somewhat worked

My co-worker bought this CD and handed it to me asking if I could make MP3s out of the tracks. I used iTunes on the Mac and immediately created workable AIFF files that played perfectly on the Mac. What was surprising was when I tried to burn it back to a CD. All the tracks were scrambled.

Creating high quality MP3s was as simple as selecting the AIFF tracks and selecting Convert to MP3. I don't have an iPod so I don't know if they would play on one. Maybe my boss will let me borrow his to try out. :)

[Jon Williams]

I'm sure you can RIP to MP3

Using a basic Linux install I've not had problems saving MP3's of my most recent CDs for playback on the home computer, and I think that these should playback on an Ipod. You can probably create Apple format files from them too.

Recent "CD"s include JJ Cales new one which I guess is using the scheme. I presume the large non-audio track at the end is the implied encapsulated WMA files (totally useless on Linux) and thereby of no use.

This does not condone illegal use. It does allow you to access legitimately the music you've purchased.

[metric152]

there is another way

You could just load the cd into iTunes, rip it to AAC and load it onto your iPod. It worked without a hickup for me.

Want Velvet Revolver on your iPod?

Buy the latest Velvet Revolver album from the iTunes Music Store
directly. The tracks load right in to your iPod, you save a couple
of bucks vs buying a CD, and you don't have to deal with
another lame copy protection scheme.

[dscherf]

It somewhat worked

My co-worker bought this CD and handed it to me asking if I could make MP3s out of the tracks. I used iTunes on the Mac and immediately created workable AIFF files that played perfectly on the Mac. What was surprising was when I tried to burn it back to a CD. All the tracks were scrambled.

Creating high quality MP3s was as simple as selecting the AIFF tracks and selecting Convert to MP3. I don't have an iPod so I don't know if they would play on one. Maybe my boss will let me borrow his to try out. :)

[Jon Williams]

I'm sure you can RIP to MP3

Using a basic Linux install I've not had problems saving MP3's of my most recent CDs for playback on the home computer, and I think that these should playback on an Ipod. You can probably create Apple format files from them too.

Recent "CD"s include JJ Cales new one which I guess is using the scheme. I presume the large non-audio track at the end is the implied encapsulated WMA files (totally useless on Linux) and thereby of no use.

This does not condone illegal use. It does allow you to access legitimately the music you've purchased.

[metric152]

there is another way

You could just load the cd into iTunes, rip it to AAC and load it onto your iPod. It worked without a hickup for me.

[ydoineedausername]

I didn't notice a thing

The threat of the security was one of the reasons I was NOT going to buy the CD. However, when BestBuy was selling it for $10, I figured what the heck.

I then proceeded to rip it to MP3 on my XP computer using MusicMatch and then make a copy for my truck using Nero.

What was I suppose to be unable to do with this CD again? Is it possible only the "clean" version had the copy-block, or only certain stores or states?

[ydoineedausername]

I didn't notice a thing

The threat of the security was one of the reasons I was NOT going to buy the CD. However, when BestBuy was selling it for $10, I figured what the heck.

I then proceeded to rip it to MP3 on my XP computer using MusicMatch and then make a copy for my truck using Nero.

What was I suppose to be unable to do with this CD again? Is it possible only the "clean" version had the copy-block, or only certain stores or states?

People buying the CD is a result of GOOD music.

I've had the chance to listen to this CD from a friend and will perhaps go out and buy it myself. BMG just doesn't seem to get it. If you sell GOOD music, people will buy the CD despite whatever anti-piracy software is on it. Quit mass producing crappy artists and we'll quit complaining.

[jamie.p.walsh]

Amen to that!!

I've been waiting for this CD for over a year. It was way worth it. I've always bought STP albums over the years. They're about the only band I actually will pay $12-20 for. I also bought the Beastie Boys new one - another dollar well spent. I still think that $10-$20 is way overpriced.

As for the CD copy protection, I had already burned 3 copies for friends of mine before I read this article. I didn't do anything different than I had in the past. I never held down the shift key or took any other steps. Simply ripped it to my HD using realPlayer, then burned it. I bought the explicit copy if anyone is keeping track.

[spec1alk]

good music > copy protection

You are right. The reason sales of this CD are so good is because its not bad. Im listening to it right now and its an ok CD.

The copy protection is easily bipassed and there are already ripped mp3's on the net.

Record companies are just pointing to this trying to say the reason this CD is selling so well is because of the anti-copying tech, which is a load. The reason its selling so good is that its not the same mindless crap they have been putting out for the last 10 years.

Think about this question people, when was the last time you bought a CD and could listen to the whole thing? Its been a while hasnt it. Remember dark side of the moon? It continues to be a bestseller selling roughly 7000 units a week for the past 15 years. There is no copy protection on it, why is it selling so well? Its good music. The eagles greatest hits 70-79, or whatever it is, is the greatest selling album of all-time and its got no copy protection. Why does it sell so well? Its a good album with GOOD MUSIC on it.

The last CD I bought was that new Who cd that came out a couple months ago. I bought it because its a good cd. I just dont buy CD's anymore because there is no way I am spending $16 on an album that has 1 or 2 good songs on it that are, point blank, inferior quality. CD's are mediocre. I might pay $16 for a good SACD or DVD-Audio disc but not for a CD that has the fidelity of an 8-track.

The RIAA needs to stop BS'ing themselves and say "uh, maybe the reason we arent selling as many albums is that we should stop selling albums full of crappy songs that all sound the same because we sent them through the mixer 15 times."

idiots.

People buying the CD is a result of GOOD music.

I've had the chance to listen to this CD from a friend and will perhaps go out and buy it myself. BMG just doesn't seem to get it. If you sell GOOD music, people will buy the CD despite whatever anti-piracy software is on it. Quit mass producing crappy artists and we'll quit complaining.

[jamie.p.walsh]

Amen to that!!

I've been waiting for this CD for over a year. It was way worth it. I've always bought STP albums over the years. They're about the only band I actually will pay $12-20 for. I also bought the Beastie Boys new one - another dollar well spent. I still think that $10-$20 is way overpriced.

As for the CD copy protection, I had already burned 3 copies for friends of mine before I read this article. I didn't do anything different than I had in the past. I never held down the shift key or took any other steps. Simply ripped it to my HD using realPlayer, then burned it. I bought the explicit copy if anyone is keeping track.

[spec1alk]

good music > copy protection

You are right. The reason sales of this CD are so good is because its not bad. Im listening to it right now and its an ok CD.

The copy protection is easily bipassed and there are already ripped mp3's on the net.

Record companies are just pointing to this trying to say the reason this CD is selling so well is because of the anti-copying tech, which is a load. The reason its selling so good is that its not the same mindless crap they have been putting out for the last 10 years.

Think about this question people, when was the last time you bought a CD and could listen to the whole thing? Its been a while hasnt it. Remember dark side of the moon? It continues to be a bestseller selling roughly 7000 units a week for the past 15 years. There is no copy protection on it, why is it selling so well? Its good music. The eagles greatest hits 70-79, or whatever it is, is the greatest selling album of all-time and its got no copy protection. Why does it sell so well? Its a good album with GOOD MUSIC on it.

The last CD I bought was that new Who cd that came out a couple months ago. I bought it because its a good cd. I just dont buy CD's anymore because there is no way I am spending $16 on an album that has 1 or 2 good songs on it that are, point blank, inferior quality. CD's are mediocre. I might pay $16 for a good SACD or DVD-Audio disc but not for a CD that has the fidelity of an 8-track.

The RIAA needs to stop BS'ing themselves and say "uh, maybe the reason we arent selling as many albums is that we should stop selling albums full of crappy songs that all sound the same because we sent them through the mixer 15 times."

idiots.

What happens when your new 2008 PC no longer runs 2004 CDs?

Three things may happen I think:

1) They'll have to add more and more formats, taking more and more space on the disk, for more and more future players. It will become unmanageable, for no gain. Also, how can they stop people sharing the WMA files? There's no purchaser identification in them as they are on the disk. What does it gain?

2) These things require closed media formats, and in many cases they need Wintel32 executables. Thats fine if you have a 2004 Wintel32 system, but even if you religiously stick with Microsoft technology, you may soon have a completely different machine running a completely different architecture on which the Wintel32 binaries just won't run. A lot of old DOS apps won't run now. Why should these CDs run in a few years time?

3) If it can play in a CD player, there's probably a CDROM that can read it. If it uses the Windows Executable or Data Partition technique as this one does, then all CDROMs should be able to recognise it at least, even if the audio table of contents is corrupt. Unencumbered software, such as a Linux based ripper, would have no problem ripping it to MP3 or Ogg Vorbis. Copy protection defeated.

These copy protection schemes just act to hinder the honest, but don't stop the dishonest at all. They're a waste of time for everyone, apart from perhaps a paranoid music industry.

[d2r4]

wow using autoplay to implant copy protection... they get paid for that?

It's not cross-platform, it's hardly effective, it's not even very inventive... if anything... its just unethical... And I bet they pay these guys big bucks too... thanks corprate america! you guys rock!


fyi Mac users... although I respect Macintosh and use them semi-regularly, of course you won't have problems on the Mac... you don't have autoplay (a mostly usefull feature)... and nobody cares about your really small pop. percentage... simple bussiness practice to disregard strays

What happens when your new 2008 PC no longer runs 2004 CDs?

Three things may happen I think:

1) They'll have to add more and more formats, taking more and more space on the disk, for more and more future players. It will become unmanageable, for no gain. Also, how can they stop people sharing the WMA files? There's no purchaser identification in them as they are on the disk. What does it gain?

2) These things require closed media formats, and in many cases they need Wintel32 executables. Thats fine if you have a 2004 Wintel32 system, but even if you religiously stick with Microsoft technology, you may soon have a completely different machine running a completely different architecture on which the Wintel32 binaries just won't run. A lot of old DOS apps won't run now. Why should these CDs run in a few years time?

3) If it can play in a CD player, there's probably a CDROM that can read it. If it uses the Windows Executable or Data Partition technique as this one does, then all CDROMs should be able to recognise it at least, even if the audio table of contents is corrupt. Unencumbered software, such as a Linux based ripper, would have no problem ripping it to MP3 or Ogg Vorbis. Copy protection defeated.

These copy protection schemes just act to hinder the honest, but don't stop the dishonest at all. They're a waste of time for everyone, apart from perhaps a paranoid music industry.

[d2r4]

wow using autoplay to implant copy protection... they get paid for that?

It's not cross-platform, it's hardly effective, it's not even very inventive... if anything... its just unethical... And I bet they pay these guys big bucks too... thanks corprate america! you guys rock!


fyi Mac users... although I respect Macintosh and use them semi-regularly, of course you won't have problems on the Mac... you don't have autoplay (a mostly usefull feature)... and nobody cares about your really small pop. percentage... simple bussiness practice to disregard strays