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Long-delayed technology is close that could help fill portable music players with thousands of songs for as little as $10 a month.

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This has been tried before....
by Jonathan April 2, 2004 6:48 AM PST
Divx in the DVD world tried this....It bombed spectacularly and now is only a memory.

Napster offers all you can eat and AFAIK the service is being snubbed by the alternative Napster service that is actually purchasing the tracks.

Time and again consumers have voted with their wallet that they want to own not lease. Not rent. But own a product.

IMHO, I think we will see the same result of this effort.

PS- I don't own an iPod or even a Mac but I have used iTunes and iTunes Music Store religiously since October. The software is fantastic. Deceptively so. There is a powerful set of features under that innocent simple facade. At some point here once the iPod hits a 60GB capacity I will get one. I made the leap 2 weeks ago to convert all 135 CD's I have to AAC after spending many an hour comparing MP3, WMA, and AAC audio codec. I truly believe AAC is the best audio codec, short of RAW WAV files, on the market.
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same result
by Ipod Apple May 17, 2007 3:19 PM PDT
http://www.analogstereo.com/turntable_stanton_str8_150_stanton_st150.htm
This has been tried before....
by Jonathan April 2, 2004 6:48 AM PST
Divx in the DVD world tried this....It bombed spectacularly and now is only a memory.

Napster offers all you can eat and AFAIK the service is being snubbed by the alternative Napster service that is actually purchasing the tracks.

Time and again consumers have voted with their wallet that they want to own not lease. Not rent. But own a product.

IMHO, I think we will see the same result of this effort.

PS- I don't own an iPod or even a Mac but I have used iTunes and iTunes Music Store religiously since October. The software is fantastic. Deceptively so. There is a powerful set of features under that innocent simple facade. At some point here once the iPod hits a 60GB capacity I will get one. I made the leap 2 weeks ago to convert all 135 CD's I have to AAC after spending many an hour comparing MP3, WMA, and AAC audio codec. I truly believe AAC is the best audio codec, short of RAW WAV files, on the market.
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same result
by Ipod Apple May 17, 2007 3:19 PM PDT
http://www.analogstereo.com/turntable_stanton_str8_150_stanton_st150.htm
How soon to a hack?
by sachs April 2, 2004 7:33 AM PST
Assuming that both Bill Gates and Steve Jobs are correct, i.e. people like to own their tunes and also would like essentially unlimited access to them, then how long do you think it will take for a hack to be developed for Janus? 2 days? More, less? In advance of Janus' release? Likely.

If, instead of attempting a technological solution, all the hardware and software companies involved donated their R&D budget for these initiatives to compensate the artists and copyright owners, in lieu of wasting their resoruces on an unending fruitless spiral, the problem would go away.
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about 4 minutes
by utdream April 2, 2004 9:02 AM PST
The trouble is, if a song can be heard it can be recorded.

Here's how: Use a double-male courd and plug one end into your computer's (or whatever device you're using to play the music) head-phone or speaker outlet. Then, plug the other end into the "mic" port on another computer's sound card. Record the song as it plays using a program as simple as the Windows 98 "Sound Recorder". Since the song is being transferred digitally, you'll get pretty dang good quality copy. It's sort of like copying a song over the radio.

Please note that I don't subscribe to these services or record music using this method. I buy my music and support the artists that I enjoy. However, I'm just illustrating how freaking easy it is to copy music. If you can hear it, you can copy it. These efforts are useless and just make life difficult for those of us who actually follow the law by choice.

This problem stems from a sociatal issue of lawlessness and mutual disrespect. You cannot force a criminal to follow the law. They need to WANT to follow the law.

Anyway... I won't go off on this. It's all just a waste of time to me and it makes my life difficult so it kind of ticks me off.
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How soon to a hack?
by sachs April 2, 2004 7:33 AM PST
Assuming that both Bill Gates and Steve Jobs are correct, i.e. people like to own their tunes and also would like essentially unlimited access to them, then how long do you think it will take for a hack to be developed for Janus? 2 days? More, less? In advance of Janus' release? Likely.

If, instead of attempting a technological solution, all the hardware and software companies involved donated their R&D budget for these initiatives to compensate the artists and copyright owners, in lieu of wasting their resoruces on an unending fruitless spiral, the problem would go away.
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about 4 minutes
by utdream April 2, 2004 9:02 AM PST
The trouble is, if a song can be heard it can be recorded.

Here's how: Use a double-male courd and plug one end into your computer's (or whatever device you're using to play the music) head-phone or speaker outlet. Then, plug the other end into the "mic" port on another computer's sound card. Record the song as it plays using a program as simple as the Windows 98 "Sound Recorder". Since the song is being transferred digitally, you'll get pretty dang good quality copy. It's sort of like copying a song over the radio.

Please note that I don't subscribe to these services or record music using this method. I buy my music and support the artists that I enjoy. However, I'm just illustrating how freaking easy it is to copy music. If you can hear it, you can copy it. These efforts are useless and just make life difficult for those of us who actually follow the law by choice.

This problem stems from a sociatal issue of lawlessness and mutual disrespect. You cannot force a criminal to follow the law. They need to WANT to follow the law.

Anyway... I won't go off on this. It's all just a waste of time to me and it makes my life difficult so it kind of ticks me off.
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Who is mixing the dope at C/Net?
by Mr.Bob April 2, 2004 7:42 AM PST
It's evident that the only service that is
successful is offering paid per song/album.

iTunes speaks for itself and the hopeful
dreams of subscription services are fantacy.
Don't you thik that Apple knows the average
number of downloads per customer? If it was
higher than $10 per month over a year's time
they would add subscription service also.

BTW?If thesubscription model did take hold,
Apple would just add that choice and the
playing field would be level again. It all comes
down to ease of use, integrated
software/hardware and marketing, none of
which any of the present and/or future players
have, including Sony and Microsoft.
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Spot on
by April 2, 2004 10:49 AM PST
I agree - it's the package that counts most, not the business
model. Apple are the only one out their with a damn fine and
complete package. I just can't see anyone beating them at this
game - it's what they do best.
Not quite
by jerimiah797 September 29, 2004 10:26 AM PDT
FYI, the Rhapsody subscription service is enjoying quite a healthy existence. Combined with the Real Music Store, Real Networks is the only company that supports both subscription and download-based services. I like those odds.
subscription model did take hold
by Ipod Apple May 17, 2007 3:19 PM PDT
http://www.analogstereo.com/turntable_stanton_str8_100.htm
Who is mixing the dope at C/Net?
by Mr.Bob April 2, 2004 7:42 AM PST
It's evident that the only service that is
successful is offering paid per song/album.

iTunes speaks for itself and the hopeful
dreams of subscription services are fantacy.
Don't you thik that Apple knows the average
number of downloads per customer? If it was
higher than $10 per month over a year's time
they would add subscription service also.

BTW?If thesubscription model did take hold,
Apple would just add that choice and the
playing field would be level again. It all comes
down to ease of use, integrated
software/hardware and marketing, none of
which any of the present and/or future players
have, including Sony and Microsoft.
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Spot on
by April 2, 2004 10:49 AM PST
I agree - it's the package that counts most, not the business
model. Apple are the only one out their with a damn fine and
complete package. I just can't see anyone beating them at this
game - it's what they do best.
Not quite
by jerimiah797 September 29, 2004 10:26 AM PDT
FYI, the Rhapsody subscription service is enjoying quite a healthy existence. Combined with the Real Music Store, Real Networks is the only company that supports both subscription and download-based services. I like those odds.
subscription model did take hold
by Ipod Apple May 17, 2007 3:19 PM PDT
http://www.analogstereo.com/turntable_stanton_str8_100.htm
They just don't get it.
by April 2, 2004 8:36 AM PST
Why on earth would I want to pay $10 a month to listen to my music... and then when I can't afford it, or want to switch services.... I lose EVERYTHING I have been listening to for the last year??? That's crazy! Imagine if Columbia House came and confiscated your entire CD collection when you quit thier service.
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They definitely don't get it
by kxmmxk April 2, 2004 10:21 AM PST
Exactly. Or for some reason the service stops carrying some tunes you love.

People like to own their tunes for a reason, the same as people buying DVDs even though they are availabe at rental stores and on stations like HBO. People like to own the stuff they really like to ensure their access to it.

A rental service might be good to hear new songs before deciding to buy a few, but that's the only use I see for it.
They just don't get it.
by April 2, 2004 8:36 AM PST
Why on earth would I want to pay $10 a month to listen to my music... and then when I can't afford it, or want to switch services.... I lose EVERYTHING I have been listening to for the last year??? That's crazy! Imagine if Columbia House came and confiscated your entire CD collection when you quit thier service.
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They definitely don't get it
by kxmmxk April 2, 2004 10:21 AM PST
Exactly. Or for some reason the service stops carrying some tunes you love.

People like to own their tunes for a reason, the same as people buying DVDs even though they are availabe at rental stores and on stations like HBO. People like to own the stuff they really like to ensure their access to it.

A rental service might be good to hear new songs before deciding to buy a few, but that's the only use I see for it.
FUD, pure and simple *NM*
by Byronic April 2, 2004 11:40 AM PST
*NM* means no message.
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FUD, pure and simple *NM*
by Byronic April 2, 2004 11:40 AM PST
*NM* means no message.
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Yawn....
by smellcoffee April 2, 2004 12:30 PM PST
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Yawn....
by smellcoffee April 2, 2004 12:30 PM PST
....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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I hate this subscription crap!
by olePigeon April 2, 2004 1:35 PM PST
Everything is going to subscriptions. Games, music,
books... pretty soon we'll be paying $720 a year (at $60/
month) for stuff we used to spend no more than $300 a
year on anyway.

I like the idea of buying only a few songs here and there,
and not being forced to pay money when all the music
that's being cookie-cuttered out sucks.
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spend no more
by Ipod Apple May 17, 2007 3:19 PM PDT
http://www.analogstereo.com/turntable_stanton_str8_80_stanton_t80.htm
I hate this subscription crap!
by olePigeon April 2, 2004 1:35 PM PST
Everything is going to subscriptions. Games, music,
books... pretty soon we'll be paying $720 a year (at $60/
month) for stuff we used to spend no more than $300 a
year on anyway.

I like the idea of buying only a few songs here and there,
and not being forced to pay money when all the music
that's being cookie-cuttered out sucks.
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spend no more
by Ipod Apple May 17, 2007 3:19 PM PDT
http://www.analogstereo.com/turntable_stanton_str8_80_stanton_t80.htm
Great idea coming from Microsoft...
by April 2, 2004 2:24 PM PST
In the Always-On world this will be "Fantastic".
I am sure, there will be a cultural change and the people will accept this kind of services.
We will live in an ubiquitous wirelles world.
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Great idea coming from Microsoft...
by April 2, 2004 2:24 PM PST
In the Always-On world this will be "Fantastic".
I am sure, there will be a cultural change and the people will accept this kind of services.
We will live in an ubiquitous wirelles world.
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Proprietary
by April 3, 2004 9:11 AM PST
Propietary does not always means 'bad'. The thing is that wmv and wma formats are inferior than the competition. But the ugliest part is that behind these is one company best known for its monopolistic and unethical, even for the tough bussiness world, attitude.
Really boring I'd say. Micro$oft (and c|net) haven't changed a bit all these years.
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Proprietary
by April 3, 2004 9:11 AM PST
Propietary does not always means 'bad'. The thing is that wmv and wma formats are inferior than the competition. But the ugliest part is that behind these is one company best known for its monopolistic and unethical, even for the tough bussiness world, attitude.
Really boring I'd say. Micro$oft (and c|net) haven't changed a bit all these years.
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They really don' get it
by robanga April 6, 2004 8:50 AM PDT
People want to own the music, burn it and have it for life not rent it.

Without being overly dramatic subscriptions create economic slaves (MS should know they are one of the biggest sellers of subscription based software)
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They really don' get it
by robanga April 6, 2004 8:50 AM PDT
People want to own the music, burn it and have it for life not rent it.

Without being overly dramatic subscriptions create economic slaves (MS should know they are one of the biggest sellers of subscription based software)
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