Comments on: EFF takes Viacom to task over YouTube takedown

Web rights advocates say YouTube contributors mistakenly accused of infringing upon Viacom copyright may be the real victims.
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[David Amerland]

How about we boycott Viacom?

The heavy-handed, narrow-minded approach employed by Viacom hinges on the incredibly small-minded assumption that every copy posted online of clips, trailers and excerpts hurts its sales.

The snippets of entertainment we use to create our world, both on and offline are part of our personal identity and the shared values we have with those around us.

There are real pirates and issues of real piracy which will not be affected by all this wasted time and effort so how about growing up a little and concentrating on those who actually infringe on a mass scale and crediting the people who actually give you the money you use with some judgement?

Suppose we all decide, OK, let's boycott all Viacom media products, what would happen then? My guess is they would spend even more money begging us to make use of them on YouTube and on our Blogs.

I think it's time Media company execs woke up and smelt the coffee. The people they are harassing are actually their dedicated, unpaid marketers.

[PostNoComments]

It's not because people aren't watching their shows

It's because they want a piece of the YouTube cake and they missed
the boat. They only way they can compete against YouTube is
putting their videos exclusively on their Web sites. I'm already
boycotting Viacom because I'm not interested in anything that
plays on MTV. BTW I started watching Colbert on TV because of
YouTube.

[garrywdm]

Excellent Idea!!

Absolutely. If Viacom wants to play hard ball, lets kick 'em where it hurt's. Tell viacom to bugger off. Their shows will quickly follow the market and go to media companies who already have deals with youtube. WE RULE!!!

[azareus]

pulling U2 content

one video was posted on my blog by a user (old U2) was already pulled because it originally aired on MTV. Old videos (from when MTV showed videos) can jog the memory, according to neuropsychs. Then it got reposted and is still running, go figure http://blog.cognitivelabs.com/2007/02/streets-have-no-name.html

[unknown unknown]

The problem is over zealous content owners

Who search for a term (like the name of one of their properties) and assume all the result are infringing without bothering to confirm it. The DMCA is also to blame, because it makes it all too easy to do. Not to mention it's easy to abuse as we've recently found with the Michael Crook incident. This same shoot first ask question later tactic has landed the RIAA in hot water then threatened the owner of a website because he had a file called "usher.mp3".

There needs to be serious repercussions for these over reaching take down notices. Especially in cases where it's clear that it was result of laziness on the part the person or company filing the take down notice and on this scale. I'd like to see Viacom and others who do this forced to forfeit the copyright they wrongly claimed was infringed or otherwise forced to pay actual damages (like lost ad revenue) and substantial statutory damages.

The DMCA clearly lays out what the obligations are of service providers are. For the mostly part Viacom is responsible for policing their copyrights not Youtube or Google.

[Too Old For IT]

DMCA is one reason

.. .why I don't let "digital rights" go along with print publishing rights willy-nilly.

The instant matter intended for print hits the internet, the value to the author becomes zero.

[zoetherot]

still clueless

The large network operators are still clueless to new media. They'll never understand that they aren't losing viewership merely because their content is ALSO available on the web. It's analagous to the reports that have been issued time and time again regarding the record industry not losing any money over mp3s. People still go to the record store. People still watch tv. Viewer and listener habits remain unaltered by new media. Computer time for 99% of the word is exactly that.. computer time. If anything, Viacom should be happy that people are still watching their shows, and even happier that they're doing it at work, when they should be trying to be productive (See: Pirated copy of office space.)

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[i_made_this]

there IS NO "YouTube" ...

... let's get it straight. Google owns the company, so it was Google's top brass to blame - full stop. Google top brass made this decision so - in reality - the complainants have NO COMPLAINT whatsoever with Viacom. Google top brass could have chosen to more carefully screen which vid's were to be taken down AND they could have chosen to more carefully write the offensive copy which headed those pages. Google top brass chose not to take these obviously necessary actions to protect the rights and better treat their YouTube users.

Is Viacom the bad guy? Yes, of course - they're short-sighted fools to have taken this tack with Google.

But is Google an even worse bad guy in this affair because of the methods in which they chose to abuse their users? Without question - we'd like to think that Google knows just a little bit about web content and protecting user rights.

[unknown unknown]

Of course it doesn't help that

prompt response is required to avoid liability for Youtube when a notice is received. With 100,000 from just one company plus all the others that leaves little time for any sort of meaningful review. If responsibility for doing the due diligence that Viacom should have done is to be place on Google, then one has to assumes Google is familiar with all content copyright Viacom etc so they can identify it. Personally, I don't think that's a reasonable assumption or expectation. Content companies have for the most part proven themselves very litigious and would no doubt jump at the chance to sue and shutdown Youtube, they started to do it before Youtube offered to make a deal. I think there is a lot of complaints to be made against Viacom.

[BrowserMaven]

I prefer the term: GooTube

That's what I'd call it now that Google has purchased YouTube. It's more like "GooTube" now. :)

[PostNoComments]

YouTube killed the MTV star

25 years ago, if you had an emerging band called something like
"A Flock of Seagulls" you promoted it making a video and
putting it in something called the MTV. In the 21st Century, let's
say you have a band called something like "O.K. Go" you want to
try the MTV, right? Wrong. MTV is now owned by a bunch of
suits called Viacom who spend a lot of money in market research
figuring out what young people are doing these days, yet they're
still clueless.

Enter YouTube. It picks up what MTV abandoned years ago
because market research said teens rather watch shows about
bratty teens than video clips. Now Viacom's envy because they're
not as cool as YouTube makes them retaliate. With something
very uncool, like telling teens to take Viacom clips from
YouTube. Because they think teens want to see their clips in a
more corporate controlled environment, like the Viacom Web
sites.

And that my friends, is the ultimate in uncoolness. And the last
nail in the coffin for MTV. R.I.P.

[fcekuahd]

Pop culture killed the MTV star

It's a natural progression. MTV killed off all of the ugly pop music stars. Now the Internet (including YouTube) are killing off all of the pop music stars who aren't willing to trainwreck their lives to get attention. Nobody gives a crap about music any more.

[tracernet]

copyrights

All and any news from anywhere it comes from to include photos, films,and everything about the information to inform the public by any means of any comunications should NOT be allowed to be copyrighted. News given to the public is for the public and belongs to the public to do as they please with it. This should be covered under the freedom of information act and the freedom of the press act. End of story.

[grangerfx]

The best stuff on YouTube

The best stuff on YouTube is the content users create themselves. It is far more interesting that watching clips from Viacom shows. The copyright problems will take some time to get sorted out but YouTube will be better for it in the end. Oh, and we probably won't be spending as much time watching Viacom.

[Center for the New Public]

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[Center for the New Public]

I was banned by Viacom "takedown" T-Shirt!

Say no to Viacom takedowns! All proceeds go to support the non-profit Center for the New Public Media, a project of the Fund for Independent Media.

[mickeygk]

T-SHIRT?

HOW DO I GET ONE OF THE T-SHIRTS?