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Hackers broke through the antipiracy wrappers on DVDs years ago. Macrovision says it can now plug that hole--mostly.

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Shooting themselves in the foot?
by ChrisSpence February 15, 2005 10:07 AM PST
Macrovision "protections" prevent many users from viewing their legit DVDs on older TVs. The only way to watch the discs in this circumstance is to pop the disc in a PC, and remove the protections. Now they want to make an "improvement"? Watch out Hollywood!

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Shooting themselves in the foot?
by ChrisSpence February 15, 2005 10:07 AM PST
Macrovision "protections" prevent many users from viewing their legit DVDs on older TVs. The only way to watch the discs in this circumstance is to pop the disc in a PC, and remove the protections. Now they want to make an "improvement"? Watch out Hollywood!

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Always an easy way around...
by Impreza WRX February 15, 2005 4:34 PM PST
You know, they have copy protection and crap, but there is no protection for the almighty "Video Out". All you need is a digital video camera, line input, FireWire, and Video Editing software. Presto! Play your DVD, records to camera, record to PC, encode to whatever, and you are done! Protection scheme bypassed!
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Always an easy way around...
by Impreza WRX February 15, 2005 4:34 PM PST
You know, they have copy protection and crap, but there is no protection for the almighty "Video Out". All you need is a digital video camera, line input, FireWire, and Video Editing software. Presto! Play your DVD, records to camera, record to PC, encode to whatever, and you are done! Protection scheme bypassed!
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There will ALWAYS be copies available
by Jim Harmon February 16, 2005 5:27 AM PST
This is a fact that both MPAA and RIAA need to realize. Their actions may make it difficult for 99.9% of people to copy and distribute - but all it takes is for 0.1% of the people to go to the time and trouble... and suddenly it becomes widely available on the net.

What is the solution? Who even implied there WAS one?

Sure, you can pass laws and prosecute offenders... but this method has been tried against far more serious crimes (like, say, MURDER) and look at the results. A lot of time, effort and money are spent using this method. For murder, it's well spent. Are copyright violations worthy of it? Will anyone other than lawyers truly benefit?

I have seen copyright issues following technological advances ever since the Xerox machine. So far, in each case, after a surge of violations the problem "magically disappears" - primarily due to a loss of interest (or change in technology). I see no reason to believe it will be any different today.
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There will ALWAYS be copies available
by Jim Harmon February 16, 2005 5:27 AM PST
This is a fact that both MPAA and RIAA need to realize. Their actions may make it difficult for 99.9% of people to copy and distribute - but all it takes is for 0.1% of the people to go to the time and trouble... and suddenly it becomes widely available on the net.

What is the solution? Who even implied there WAS one?

Sure, you can pass laws and prosecute offenders... but this method has been tried against far more serious crimes (like, say, MURDER) and look at the results. A lot of time, effort and money are spent using this method. For murder, it's well spent. Are copyright violations worthy of it? Will anyone other than lawyers truly benefit?

I have seen copyright issues following technological advances ever since the Xerox machine. So far, in each case, after a surge of violations the problem "magically disappears" - primarily due to a loss of interest (or change in technology). I see no reason to believe it will be any different today.
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Biohazard suit for sale... small unrepairable hole (3%). What a deal!
by February 16, 2005 1:12 PM PST
Would anyone buy a dam with an irreparable 3% hole in it? A submarine? Take a serious look at what Macrovision is attempting here... they're actually trying to sell a copyright protection scheme which they openly admit is ALREADY BROKEN. Note to Macrovision investors: sell! Sell now!

Quick education for those who aren't up on copyright protection: a protection scheme either works 100% of the time, or 0%. There is no 97%. If even one cracker on the planet knows how to crack it, the entire cracker community will know tomorrow (and that one cracker will be king for a day.) This scheme will last for as long as it takes to update existing cracker software with the new info.

You know, this really is a historical first... In the beginning, there were copyright schemes which lasted years. Then there were schemes that lasted weeks. Then there were schemes which were broken before they were even released. I personally didn't think that could be topped. But now, for the first time in history, we have a major copyright scheme which was broken before it was even conceived. Yipes!

What gets me is that all media outlets (even supposedly technologically literate ones) are running headlines like "DVD Pirates Defeated!" Has the time finally arrived when we have to go to the blogs to get responsible, fact-checked reporting?
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addendum
by February 17, 2005 11:18 AM PST
Oops -- this particular news article didn't actually mention the 97% figure, so you're all probably wondering what I'm talking about. Macrovision claims that RipGuard foils "97%" of existing ripping software.
Biohazard suit for sale... small unrepairable hole (3%). What a deal!
by February 16, 2005 1:12 PM PST
Would anyone buy a dam with an irreparable 3% hole in it? A submarine? Take a serious look at what Macrovision is attempting here... they're actually trying to sell a copyright protection scheme which they openly admit is ALREADY BROKEN. Note to Macrovision investors: sell! Sell now!

Quick education for those who aren't up on copyright protection: a protection scheme either works 100% of the time, or 0%. There is no 97%. If even one cracker on the planet knows how to crack it, the entire cracker community will know tomorrow (and that one cracker will be king for a day.) This scheme will last for as long as it takes to update existing cracker software with the new info.

You know, this really is a historical first... In the beginning, there were copyright schemes which lasted years. Then there were schemes that lasted weeks. Then there were schemes which were broken before they were even released. I personally didn't think that could be topped. But now, for the first time in history, we have a major copyright scheme which was broken before it was even conceived. Yipes!

What gets me is that all media outlets (even supposedly technologically literate ones) are running headlines like "DVD Pirates Defeated!" Has the time finally arrived when we have to go to the blogs to get responsible, fact-checked reporting?
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addendum
by February 17, 2005 11:18 AM PST
Oops -- this particular news article didn't actually mention the 97% figure, so you're all probably wondering what I'm talking about. Macrovision claims that RipGuard foils "97%" of existing ripping software.
Macrovision Twits
by February 16, 2005 2:18 PM PST
Macrovision's technical work-arounds have always
been worthless. They make copying inconvenient
(sometimes), but they've made millions off
half-assed solutions. In this particular case,
they've canvased a small number of applications
(probably just Microsoft Windows based ones) and
looked for bugs in the decryption or transcoding
algorithms and then plan to distribute encoding
parameters to licensees that will trigger the
bugs. Dumb. It's a solution that will be obsolete
with the next update to the software (probably
even if the author isn't intentionally trying to
thwart the Macrovision approach).

It strikes me that with people like Macrovision
taking advantage of Hollywood, the bad press
surrounding suing fans and casual viewers, and
the festering discontent of contorted DRM
restrictions interfering with people's TiVOs and
whatnot are costing the industry many times what
they lose from piracy (excluding organized
large-scale piracy like off-shore duplicators
that channel their wares to retail outlets).

The entertainment industry really needs to come
to terms with the digital age before it utterly
leaves them behind. The whole notion of skewing
laws and technology to enforce an increasingly
outdated business model is snowballing into a
hugely expensive, unworkable, and increasingly
irrelevent play at maintaining the status quo.
It's going to take one new entity that "gets it"
to appear and dig themselves in, and the whole
house of cards will come crashing down on the
old-school...

If someone from the entertainment industry is
listening: start with the presumption that in 3
years time there will be, effectively, no such
thing as copy protection or digital rights
management -- what then? The writing is on the
wall. If you can develop a business with that
assumption, you'll be rich as Croesus, otherwise
you ought to be thinking about what you can do to
round out your resume -- nobody likes a foresworn
loser.
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Macrovision Twits
by February 16, 2005 2:18 PM PST
Macrovision's technical work-arounds have always
been worthless. They make copying inconvenient
(sometimes), but they've made millions off
half-assed solutions. In this particular case,
they've canvased a small number of applications
(probably just Microsoft Windows based ones) and
looked for bugs in the decryption or transcoding
algorithms and then plan to distribute encoding
parameters to licensees that will trigger the
bugs. Dumb. It's a solution that will be obsolete
with the next update to the software (probably
even if the author isn't intentionally trying to
thwart the Macrovision approach).

It strikes me that with people like Macrovision
taking advantage of Hollywood, the bad press
surrounding suing fans and casual viewers, and
the festering discontent of contorted DRM
restrictions interfering with people's TiVOs and
whatnot are costing the industry many times what
they lose from piracy (excluding organized
large-scale piracy like off-shore duplicators
that channel their wares to retail outlets).

The entertainment industry really needs to come
to terms with the digital age before it utterly
leaves them behind. The whole notion of skewing
laws and technology to enforce an increasingly
outdated business model is snowballing into a
hugely expensive, unworkable, and increasingly
irrelevent play at maintaining the status quo.
It's going to take one new entity that "gets it"
to appear and dig themselves in, and the whole
house of cards will come crashing down on the
old-school...

If someone from the entertainment industry is
listening: start with the presumption that in 3
years time there will be, effectively, no such
thing as copy protection or digital rights
management -- what then? The writing is on the
wall. If you can develop a business with that
assumption, you'll be rich as Croesus, otherwise
you ought to be thinking about what you can do to
round out your resume -- nobody likes a foresworn
loser.
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And in Related news, AnyDvd release upgrade
by February 18, 2005 2:03 PM PST
This "rip guard" will work for only the newbies backing up their moves. Those who know what they are doing will have no problem. Just a swift 2 minute upgrade of their fav. ripper, and all that wasted time and money for nothing!
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Give them what they want!
by critofur February 20, 2005 8:17 AM PST
Consumers want: more for less, convenience, and quality, and, importantly, they want freedom to do as they choose with their things.

If the industry gives consumers what they want, then they will sell more. Instead the industry wants to sell less for more, make things inconvenient, and restrict consumers freedom. Does not seem like the smart way to run companies in the long run.
And in Related news, AnyDvd release upgrade
by February 18, 2005 2:03 PM PST
This "rip guard" will work for only the newbies backing up their moves. Those who know what they are doing will have no problem. Just a swift 2 minute upgrade of their fav. ripper, and all that wasted time and money for nothing!
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Give them what they want!
by critofur February 20, 2005 8:17 AM PST
Consumers want: more for less, convenience, and quality, and, importantly, they want freedom to do as they choose with their things.

If the industry gives consumers what they want, then they will sell more. Instead the industry wants to sell less for more, make things inconvenient, and restrict consumers freedom. Does not seem like the smart way to run companies in the long run.
Not going to buy DVDs I can't backup.
by critofur February 20, 2005 7:48 AM PST
If I can't back it up I won't buy it. I own over 400 DVDs, all of which I can backup easily.

Until there's free replacement of DVDs when they stop working there MUST be the ability to back them up, effective copy protection is not only immoral, it is completely unfair to customers.
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Not going to buy DVDs I can't backup.
by critofur February 20, 2005 7:48 AM PST
If I can't back it up I won't buy it. I own over 400 DVDs, all of which I can backup easily.

Until there's free replacement of DVDs when they stop working there MUST be the ability to back them up, effective copy protection is not only immoral, it is completely unfair to customers.
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Making A Back Up Copy of DVD's You Own Is Legal!
by February 27, 2005 6:07 AM PST
Making a back-up copy of DVD's you own is legal. I have kids, and kids sometimes are not as careful with things as adults are. Sometimes adults are not careful either! When I buy a DVD, I like to make a back-up copy to keep the original from being scratched or broken. This "anti-piracy" encryption will prevent me from doing this, and may cause me to have to buy a new DVD player that will be able to play DVD's with this new encryption. I agree that you should not be able to copy a DVD, and sell it, but you should be able to make copies of ones that you own for personal use. This infringes on my legal right to do this. I see more lawsuits coming...
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Making A Back Up Copy of DVD's You Own Is Legal!
by February 27, 2005 6:07 AM PST
Making a back-up copy of DVD's you own is legal. I have kids, and kids sometimes are not as careful with things as adults are. Sometimes adults are not careful either! When I buy a DVD, I like to make a back-up copy to keep the original from being scratched or broken. This "anti-piracy" encryption will prevent me from doing this, and may cause me to have to buy a new DVD player that will be able to play DVD's with this new encryption. I agree that you should not be able to copy a DVD, and sell it, but you should be able to make copies of ones that you own for personal use. This infringes on my legal right to do this. I see more lawsuits coming...
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DVD right protection
by February 28, 2005 1:19 PM PST
Until DVD are scratch proof, you should be able to back them up. It might take some time people will stop buying if they cannot back them up.
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DVD right protection
by February 28, 2005 1:19 PM PST
Until DVD are scratch proof, you should be able to back them up. It might take some time people will stop buying if they cannot back them up.
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DVD Copy
by August 8, 2005 3:02 PM PDT
They are recording the bootlegs in the theaters. What are you thinking?
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DVD Copy
by August 8, 2005 3:02 PM PDT
They are recording the bootlegs in the theaters. What are you thinking?
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