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Hackers broke through the antipiracy wrappers on DVDs years ago. Macrovision says it can now plug that hole--mostly.

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geez
by Bill Dautrive February 14, 2005 10:27 PM PST
Software makers, music labels, movies studios all need to stop wasting all this money on something they can never stop, and spend it on releasing high quality content.

Most software is garbage

Most movies are paint by number snoozefests

Most music is produced in the boardroom, not by artists. How many in the top 100 can even be considered real musical artists? Very few.

These industries will make more profit and bolster their image with the public if they stop wasting money to punish honest customers and create original, excitng content. In the case of software makers, how about creating useful software that works as advertised and is secure from the day of release?
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haven't you anything original to say?
by skeptik February 15, 2005 6:23 AM PST
Before the accusations start, yes, I do "backup" my media...
But your arguments have absolutely no merit. It's true both music and movie studios are putting out a lot of crap. But people are copying none the less. And if the studios spent more and made a more appealing product, the result would be more people copying it, not more "pirates" deciding to stop copying and start paying.
Your arguments amount to nothing more than weak attempts to validate piracy, to which I say, if you're not morally comfortable with your actions, don't do them. If you're fine with copying, then don't waste time clouding the issue with nonsense... we get enough of that from the industry.
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geez
by Bill Dautrive February 14, 2005 10:27 PM PST
Software makers, music labels, movies studios all need to stop wasting all this money on something they can never stop, and spend it on releasing high quality content.

Most software is garbage

Most movies are paint by number snoozefests

Most music is produced in the boardroom, not by artists. How many in the top 100 can even be considered real musical artists? Very few.

These industries will make more profit and bolster their image with the public if they stop wasting money to punish honest customers and create original, excitng content. In the case of software makers, how about creating useful software that works as advertised and is secure from the day of release?
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haven't you anything original to say?
by skeptik February 15, 2005 6:23 AM PST
Before the accusations start, yes, I do "backup" my media...
But your arguments have absolutely no merit. It's true both music and movie studios are putting out a lot of crap. But people are copying none the less. And if the studios spent more and made a more appealing product, the result would be more people copying it, not more "pirates" deciding to stop copying and start paying.
Your arguments amount to nothing more than weak attempts to validate piracy, to which I say, if you're not morally comfortable with your actions, don't do them. If you're fine with copying, then don't waste time clouding the issue with nonsense... we get enough of that from the industry.
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If it can be played it can be copied...
by unknown unknown February 14, 2005 11:33 PM PST
They embedded the region controls in computer DVD-ROM drives and they developed firmware hacks. Once Rip Guard is defeated people will be coping while Macrovision is trying to update it's copy protect to prevent it, which will do nothing for the tons of media still using the hacked version of the protection.
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why annonomous
by qazwiz February 16, 2005 9:30 AM PST
why don't you identify yourself?

there ain't no secret that anti-copying schemes will be broken but why bother? bring over your dvd player with its red, white and yellow RCA connectors (or even that funny din connector I think they call S-Vidio) plug it into my computers inputs and I'll have a perfect copy

it takes full play time but I'm not gonna go into business recording dups either so thats no problem with movies I like

for those who dup and sell there are laws that put them in prison so leave it open and spend your money on the lawyers
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If it can be played it can be copied...
by unknown unknown February 14, 2005 11:33 PM PST
They embedded the region controls in computer DVD-ROM drives and they developed firmware hacks. Once Rip Guard is defeated people will be coping while Macrovision is trying to update it's copy protect to prevent it, which will do nothing for the tons of media still using the hacked version of the protection.
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why annonomous
by qazwiz February 16, 2005 9:30 AM PST
why don't you identify yourself?

there ain't no secret that anti-copying schemes will be broken but why bother? bring over your dvd player with its red, white and yellow RCA connectors (or even that funny din connector I think they call S-Vidio) plug it into my computers inputs and I'll have a perfect copy

it takes full play time but I'm not gonna go into business recording dups either so thats no problem with movies I like

for those who dup and sell there are laws that put them in prison so leave it open and spend your money on the lawyers
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There will always be a market for copied DVDs
by aabcdefghij987654321 February 15, 2005 3:33 AM PST
Here in the UK, Hellboy and Without A Paddle, to name but two, were released in the cinema after they were released on DVD in the US. As long as the movie industry continues with staggered release dates, people will always buy copied versions of movies.
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There will always be a market for copied DVDs
by aabcdefghij987654321 February 15, 2005 3:33 AM PST
Here in the UK, Hellboy and Without A Paddle, to name but two, were released in the cinema after they were released on DVD in the US. As long as the movie industry continues with staggered release dates, people will always buy copied versions of movies.
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What a waste of time
by kingwr February 15, 2005 4:05 AM PST
I agree with the previous poster. Why do the movie studios and record companies keep investing money in copy-protection schemes that will immediately be defeated by hackers. If the content is digital, it can be hacked. Instead, they should secretly embed identifiable keys in the content so as to track the distribution of product and the spend the money going after the people who egregiously violate the copyright laws.
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What a waste of time
by kingwr February 15, 2005 4:05 AM PST
I agree with the previous poster. Why do the movie studios and record companies keep investing money in copy-protection schemes that will immediately be defeated by hackers. If the content is digital, it can be hacked. Instead, they should secretly embed identifiable keys in the content so as to track the distribution of product and the spend the money going after the people who egregiously violate the copyright laws.
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Napster-To-Go's 'rental music' DRM circumvented
by February 15, 2005 5:05 AM PST
http://blog.kordix.com/marv/archives/000400.html

So much for jAnus.
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Napster-To-Go's 'rental music' DRM circumvented
by February 15, 2005 5:05 AM PST
http://blog.kordix.com/marv/archives/000400.html

So much for jAnus.
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Who this really works for
by Buzz_Friendly February 15, 2005 5:09 AM PST
Copy protection works for people who typically don?t copy in the first place or simply stop when EZ CD Creator won?t do it.

Who is the winner here?
Well Macrovison and to some degree the studios of course. First they sell a copy protection to the studios which in turn the cost is passed onto John Q Consumer (who is the loser in all this).

Most all other Macrovison copy protection schemes that I am aware of are broken or circumvented. This will be no different.
Seems to me the studios and perhaps even the consumer should sue Macrovision for selling something that doesn?t work. The studio can sue Macrovison for failing to actually protect the content and the consumer can sue because they have been not been protected from being able to copy the material in question. The consumer paid for it shouldn?t it work? Same for the studio.

The price goes up and piracy will continue as normal. I am not advocating piracy I am merely stating a very likely truth.
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Who this really works for
by Buzz_Friendly February 15, 2005 5:09 AM PST
Copy protection works for people who typically don?t copy in the first place or simply stop when EZ CD Creator won?t do it.

Who is the winner here?
Well Macrovison and to some degree the studios of course. First they sell a copy protection to the studios which in turn the cost is passed onto John Q Consumer (who is the loser in all this).

Most all other Macrovison copy protection schemes that I am aware of are broken or circumvented. This will be no different.
Seems to me the studios and perhaps even the consumer should sue Macrovision for selling something that doesn?t work. The studio can sue Macrovison for failing to actually protect the content and the consumer can sue because they have been not been protected from being able to copy the material in question. The consumer paid for it shouldn?t it work? Same for the studio.

The price goes up and piracy will continue as normal. I am not advocating piracy I am merely stating a very likely truth.
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Most?
by skeptik February 15, 2005 6:32 AM PST
The technology isn't even released yet and the best they can do is prevent "most" current rippers from succeeding? As anyone involved knows, as soon as new techniques are released, the hackers start finding ways around them. If the new methods don't even work now, won't that just result in "pirates" simply chaning tools and carrying on as usual?
Sounds like another 'press the space bar to copy your CD now' scheme. An utter waste of money and time.
Studios need to accept that users have a legitimate need and desire to copy their own media. This will likely result in some copies of media not owned by the consumer, but that is a cost of business, like shoplifting and spoilage. New protection schemes will do nothing to stop commercial pirates and as long as the studios ignore them and focus on private individuals copying for personal use and not profit, the public will view all efforts at stopping piracy as infringement on fair use... fair use pricipals which have already been held up in the courts. Ill will will be the only result.
Now if you'll excuse me, I've got to go finish backing up Resident Evil - Apocalypse and The Forgotten. ;)
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Most?
by skeptik February 15, 2005 6:32 AM PST
The technology isn't even released yet and the best they can do is prevent "most" current rippers from succeeding? As anyone involved knows, as soon as new techniques are released, the hackers start finding ways around them. If the new methods don't even work now, won't that just result in "pirates" simply chaning tools and carrying on as usual?
Sounds like another 'press the space bar to copy your CD now' scheme. An utter waste of money and time.
Studios need to accept that users have a legitimate need and desire to copy their own media. This will likely result in some copies of media not owned by the consumer, but that is a cost of business, like shoplifting and spoilage. New protection schemes will do nothing to stop commercial pirates and as long as the studios ignore them and focus on private individuals copying for personal use and not profit, the public will view all efforts at stopping piracy as infringement on fair use... fair use pricipals which have already been held up in the courts. Ill will will be the only result.
Now if you'll excuse me, I've got to go finish backing up Resident Evil - Apocalypse and The Forgotten. ;)
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It will never matter...
by Not Bugged February 15, 2005 6:48 AM PST
I don't care what kind of "protection" is used on movies. They will never protect it... NEVER. Back when VCRs first came out, before copy protection, I made a copy of a movie. The thing is that I only had one VCR. I just put a video camera in front of the TV and recorded the VHS movie. PRESTO! If you looked really hard you could see that it was recorded the way I stated. With todays better equipment, it may be easier to see the trash. But most of the pirated movies are compressed and the quality stinks so why not. Maybe you can see that it was recorded directly off the TV.
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It will never matter...
by Not Bugged February 15, 2005 6:48 AM PST
I don't care what kind of "protection" is used on movies. They will never protect it... NEVER. Back when VCRs first came out, before copy protection, I made a copy of a movie. The thing is that I only had one VCR. I just put a video camera in front of the TV and recorded the VHS movie. PRESTO! If you looked really hard you could see that it was recorded the way I stated. With todays better equipment, it may be easier to see the trash. But most of the pirated movies are compressed and the quality stinks so why not. Maybe you can see that it was recorded directly off the TV.
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Everything can be copied in some way
by gmaskew February 15, 2005 7:00 AM PST
Even with the most sophisticated copy protection, ultimately, if your eyes and ears can see and hear a movie, or music, then it can be copied.
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Everything can be copied in some way
by gmaskew February 15, 2005 7:00 AM PST
Even with the most sophisticated copy protection, ultimately, if your eyes and ears can see and hear a movie, or music, then it can be copied.
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Dear MPAA?screw off
by Jonathan February 15, 2005 7:09 AM PST
To the MPAA.
I own over 500 DVD's of which about 70% are ripped and stored on my home server. Before you pick up that god damn phone to sue me I don't share **** you pricks. I use my collection when I go on business trips or know that I have a long flight ahead or a very long car trip. Lets do the math. Which takes up more space. 20-30 DVD?s that can get lost, stolen, or broken or 20-30 divxx files that can fit neatly on my laptop?s hard drive. If you want to play games that is fine. Just be aware that you lost another high paying customer you pompous idiot. (Collectively that is.)
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Dear MPAA?screw off
by Jonathan February 15, 2005 7:09 AM PST
To the MPAA.
I own over 500 DVD's of which about 70% are ripped and stored on my home server. Before you pick up that god damn phone to sue me I don't share **** you pricks. I use my collection when I go on business trips or know that I have a long flight ahead or a very long car trip. Lets do the math. Which takes up more space. 20-30 DVD?s that can get lost, stolen, or broken or 20-30 divxx files that can fit neatly on my laptop?s hard drive. If you want to play games that is fine. Just be aware that you lost another high paying customer you pompous idiot. (Collectively that is.)
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