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As digital tech becomes a household fixture, it's time for parents and kids to bid some old-school skills adieu.

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Being an educator
by volterwd January 25, 2007 5:03 PM PST
i feel i have some right to make a reply.

First off parents are often incompetent and woefully inadequate in the ability to guide a childs education nevermind decide what is important. Many parents can't even do their childrens elementary school work. Should these people be making any decisions with regards to what their children should be learning? I thought not.

Let me ask you this... ever asked a child with poor spelling to do a google search or type a url into the address bar? Yeah its like watching a person with concrete feet swim.

Would you want this person programming your OS (maybe they already do :P), or perhaps writing a prescription for you?

Spelling is not a useless skill anyways. It helps one decipher new words and is linked strongly to functional literacy.

Map skills? Ever asked a kid to negotiate to places they've never been before? Map skills are vital to a good sense of direction and guess what gps fan boys... power and batteries run out.

I'm not saying some good old skills dont become antiquated... like algorithms to calculate roots for example, but a worthwhile education requires a strong foundation and the same people who say spelling is a dinosaur probably wonder why their kid is bad at math (no its not that hes dumb... its that he hasn't memorized his arithmatic tables.)

Hiya!
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Spelling errors
by georgegliddy January 25, 2007 11:41 PM PST
I agree that spelling is quite important. But your message itself has a number of spelling/grammatical errors.
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Distrurbing...
by treet007 January 25, 2007 5:12 PM PST
Reality versus Fantasy ... Accuracy versus Mob Mentality ... Factual versus Perceived Truth.

If the kids do not have the basic skills, how would they differentiate the above polar opposites? Rely on others to spoon-feed them on the answers? Reminds me of "1984".

We will then become the slaves of technology that others created...

--GIF
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Have they read it?
by ben::zen January 27, 2007 6:40 AM PST
Have these kids even read 1984, considering it is on the commonly banned book list, along with Farenheit 451 and Brave New World. Truly, these books show some relation to the modern world, and all the inherent dangers.
New Dinosaur: Dumb Headlines
by mattofasia January 25, 2007 5:59 PM PST
Spelling will never be a dinosaur, and nor will conversation skills.
The way we spell things may warp and adapt based on the new words created by technology,

but as long as we have search engines we will need spelling.

and as long as people have friends they will need to know how to talk to them!
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Who knows what is important...
by MTGrizzly January 25, 2007 6:29 PM PST
...or what will be important in the future?

I remember I flunked typing, (on a manual typewriter, no less), in
eighth grade. I could see absolutely no applicability to real life.
My parents didn't fight it. Now, I couldn't function without
excellent typing skills.

So, how do we know what skills adn knowledge will be necessary
in the future?

The other thing that really amazes me is kids doing research on
the Internet. In the "good old days," Encyclopedia Britannica had
a reputation to uphold, so they spent a lot of time making sure
that their facts were right. The other day, I saw a front page
newspaper story that quoted Wikipedia as it's primary source. I
wanted to go to the editor and ask him if he realized that anyone
can post anything they want to post on Wikipedia. It's not
necessarily accurate, yet the editor let his reporter treat it as his
primary source. Whenever I see websites quoted as primary
and/or the only source, I cringe. Just because it is easy, doesn't
mean it is right...
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Just because it came from the InterWeb...
by Vurk January 26, 2007 7:50 AM PST
Doesnt mean its wrong, either. Just because Wikipedia was cited as the primary source doesnt mean the facts werent further corroborated.

Most editors are stuffy conservatives(which may be why papers are losing to the Internet) and I cant imagine an editor allowing a reporter to use only an Internet source for their article.
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by tredlite January 25, 2007 7:04 PM PST
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Misleading analysis of results
by timintaiwan January 26, 2007 1:33 AM PST
"In a surprising finding, more parents (68 percent) use game consoles, compared with 58 percent of 8- to 14-year-olds. That's likely because parents are using game consoles to bond with their kids, according to Williams."

... or because more adults can AFFORD an expensive console. Its a myth that gaming is for kids... its for everyone.
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A quarter of parents
by rcrusoe January 26, 2007 3:51 AM PST
"a quarter of parents believe it's no longer necessary to spell well"

Then, (at least) a quarter of parents are idiots and their children are likely to suffer because of it.

The basic skills of reading, writing, and, general math are as important today as ever before.

Those that fail to learn the basics are likely to be the ones handing you fries and a burger the next time you are in the drive through lane.
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My spelling bites the big pickle.
by ralfthedog January 26, 2007 7:06 AM PST
Thats ok, I have a number of people who work for me who have post grad degrees in English (No, they do not proofread my posts).

Spelling and arithmetic still have some value, however, new skills are becoming more valuable. Less teaching time should be devoted to things a computer can do for you, and more should be spent on more advanced skills.

One problem I see is that most teachers do not have the skills themselves that students will need in the next decades. Less spelling and arithmetic, more composition and math.
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Or maybe...
by Vurk January 26, 2007 7:55 AM PST
Those are the quarter of parents who understand that their children will never be able to get a big-bucks job and realize that trying to force "edukashun" on their kids is just a waste *because* the only jobs available will be Wal-Mart jobs.
You dont need spelling to work at Wal-Mart. You certainly dont need expensive, advanced "edukayshun".
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Totally agree with you
by pdude January 26, 2007 1:54 PM PST
Don?t complain about shifting of manufacturing, R&D and service work to other countries. These kids and their parents think spelling, math and conversation are not important! According to the author, this is the ?smartest? generation of consumers ever!
That?s right, they can consume but have no clue how to produce!
Totally agree with you
by pdude January 26, 2007 1:54 PM PST
Don?t complain about shifting of manufacturing, R&D and service work to other countries. These kids and their parents think spelling, math and conversation are not important! According to the author, this is the ?smartest? generation of consumers ever!
That?s right, they can consume but have no clue how to produce!
Study leaves out large portion of population...
by btljooz January 27, 2007 11:31 AM PST
i.e.: those >14 y.o.a. - 18 who have no children and EVERYONE else who has no children!!!

Therefore the study is extremely FLAWED!

However, even at that, there is absolutely no such thing as a substitute for the axiom which includes "good 'old-fashioned' reading, writing and arithmatic". Without a fundimental understanding of the rudimentary basics, how can one understand or even correctly use current or future technology to it's fullest?

I agree with the poster that stated that this "study" proved that 25% of parents are IDIOTS!
Hear, hear!
by zimmecl January 29, 2007 7:20 AM PST
On the flip side, I guess that just means 25 percent of my kids' peers will be less likely to be competitive for the better jobs.

"U won fryz wi dat?" Indeed!
Hear, hear!
by zimmecl January 29, 2007 7:20 AM PST
On the flip side, I guess that just means 25 percent of my kids' peers will be less likely to be competitive for the better jobs.

"U won fryz wi dat?" Indeed!
This is sad
by doctorsoos January 26, 2007 6:43 AM PST
All the technology we have and folks are forgettign the basics. Kids should be able to work out mathematics on paper vs a calculator, spelling, general writing skills, etc...should still be taught in schools. Technology just makes this all to easy for our kids. No wonder we are lagging behind other countries with regards to how smart our kids are. I don't have kids, but I certainly would ensure they knew how to calculate with pencil/paper to figure out complex math, proper writing/grammar and all the other stuff we've forgotten over the past decade or two. Very sad.
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...the basics change.
by chloezen January 26, 2007 8:05 AM PST
We can go back to a horse and cart to help prevent pollution, too, but that isn't practical. I do believe it's essential to understand how things function and their evolution, but that does not mean we should hang on to them for sentimental reasons. Ralfthedog had a valid point in utilizing the new tools given us to learn advances skills more quickly. It does not make us dumber to use the assets we have, but smarter to utilize what was given to fit our environment.

But remember - it is not necessary to change. Survival is not mandatory.
That said...
by TV James January 26, 2007 9:00 AM PST
Not to be a nit-picky jerk, but you ended up with a misspelling only because you were typing quickly and transposed two letters.

I would argue that mathematics on paper isn't as important as it once was. As technology becomes more pervasive, we should be able to embrace it and utilize it.

What's missing, though, is education that focuses on *why* math works. So even if you use a calculator to figure it out, you understand what you're putting in, roughly what you should expect to get when you hit the equal key and why. So that in crunch time, you can use pencil and paper, or at least make a reasonable estimate that will hold until you have access to the calculator.

But this has been something that's been overlooked since the beginning of time... teaching children how to think and reason and deduce. We're too busy teaching them how to do long division without teaching them how to analyze, correlate, deduct, summarize, hypothesize, debate, research, formulate and on and on and on.

But the fact that so many parents don't place a value on such skills might be telling of an educational system that was broken long before now.
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What R U saying?
by skeptik January 26, 2007 7:25 AM PST
Who cant speel?
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What R U saying?
by skeptik January 26, 2007 7:25 AM PST
Who cant speel?
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The Funute is NOW!
by itchief January 26, 2007 9:44 AM PST
This new generation of technically savvy, self-absorbed, social misfits with poor spelling, map reading and critical thinking skills is remarkably similar to my daughter?s ex-boyfriend. In his late twenties, he was an unemployed tattoo ?artist? who couldn?t understand that the reason he was unable to find a decent, steady job was because he lacked any marketable skill set or higher education. Yet he was a gamer who, thanks to my daughter?s job and savings, always had the latest system and games; broadband access; digital cable TV; the biggest, fastest, best computer and the coolest cell phone (although he had very few friends)?until my daughter evicted him! The bread and circuses of the Roman Empire has been replaced by the bits and bytes of the silicon god of technology!
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But wait!! We're entitled!!
by cjwall67 January 26, 2007 11:23 PM PST
It scares the s--t out of me to read stuff like this. itchief has it
right, and his daughter seems to have figured it out too (if a
little late). It would seem that a sense of entitlement to all the
toys and perks that technology offers is fairly prevalent these
days, and in younger and younger kids. My wife is a teacher,
and she finds it interesting that some kids can't write a simple
sentence, but are incredibly competent on x-box, ps2,
gamecube etc. Part of this is because many of their parents
were the leading edge of the present wave of "self absorbed"
types who feel that they shouldn't have to let mundane
employment get in the way of the important things in life. The
really scary thing is contemplating the kind of society we will
have in ten years. It only took twenty for pc's and cell phones to
put us at the lofty heights of enlightenment we now enjoy...
"Dude! I gotta call ya later, I just ran over a pedestrian (guy
walking).lol.
The Future is NOW!
by itchief January 26, 2007 9:46 AM PST
Sorry, I just washed my hands and can't do a thing with them!
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Computers will rule the World
by DavieDave January 27, 2007 4:20 AM PST
The predictions that computers will rule the World in the future are apparently true. As future adults become more immersed in their devices and totally dependent upon them for everything in their lives, the stage will be set for the new digital regime. As technologists rush to infuse more artificial intelligence into every facet of society it seems only logical that,eventually, **** sapiens will secede control of all societal funtions. Will this be considered "freedom" or enslavement?
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Spelling IS important
by bob donut January 28, 2007 8:31 PM PST
First off, knowing how to spell is important to knowing how to read. There's more to read now than ever, and unless you plan to have a life as a passive consumer, you'll have to write something at some point, spell checks notwithstanding.

Map reading also matters. Sorry, but sometimes MapQuest is wrong, and it's easier to read a picture on a map than it is to remember a sequence of verbal directions.

This may be a sensational headline, but all it really does is show that people are getting more and more stupid. Just because they may think that these skills are not important does not mean that they aren't.
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