Comments on: Brewster Kahle's modest mission: Archiving everything

Adding books, and movies music to Web mix, Internet Archive founder wants to create "Library of Alexandria, v.2."
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[ghostofitpast]

Whither (wither?) archives?

I had an opportunity to hear Kahle speak at Stanford in the not-too-distant past; so I am familiar with his rhetorical style. He comes on with strong idealist visions that can easily rouse the enthusiasms. Then, should he get down to any brass tacks, one comes away with the feeling that he has had to back down from those visions on just about every front. The question then remains as to whether or not any of that vision has been left.

In my case I was left with a reminder of Sturgeon's Revelation, cited on Wikipedia as "Ninety percent of SF [science fiction] is crud, but then, ninety percent of everything is crud" <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Sturgeon>. By the end of Kahle's talk, I found myself wondering if his archiving project was basically taking care of Sturgeon's 90%, while the stuff that really mattered (at least to me) was in that remaining 10%! Perhaps this is an extreme position; but it should also raise the question of the value of an archive in the first place (which I tried to capture in that whither/wither pun).

Mills' article has a very handy link to the Wikipedia entry from the Library of Alexandria, but what that link does not indicate is the massive amount of controversy that sprang up over the authoring of that article. I see this as an object lesson of a very important precept: The CONTENT of any repository is rarely as significant as the CONVERSATIONS that accumulate around that content. The Ancient World was one where reading and conversation where closely coupled (at least if we are to take the dramatic settings of many of Plato's dialogs at face value). We seem to be detaching ourself from that coupling; and it is good to see that Wikipedia is doing something to reverse that trend (even if their approach sometimes has problems of its own). I would rather have the opportunity to enjoy the restoration of such conversation than any amount of archival access to that 90% chunk of Sturgeon's view of the world!

[lesfilip]

Grow up

Look buddy, it's not all just about YOU. One man's garbage is
another man's treasure. If the project doesn't cost you a dime
personally, why are you so against it? Oh, yeah, because if it was
all up to you, then the money would go to what interests YOU.

The conversations you are referencing in the last third of your
comment are exactly what is being archived, you dolt. Those
conversations and other information being archived are
invaluable to future generations.

By the way, thus far the postings reflect your 90% rule. 90% of
the comments (yours) are crap.

Have a nice day.

[qazwiz]

one more thing

The objective is "the Internet" not "90% of the Internet". So even if your unsubstantiated estimate is true, within the confines of the whole, wait long enough, and there MUST eventually be something that would be relevant to yourself.

[DaClyde]

Rhetoric aside...

...have you actually used the archive? I don't think a month goes by that I don't visit it at least once to listen to a concert by some artist I've never heard of, dig up a website that died years ago in search of some obscure piece of genealogical history or just used it to dig up old news articles or essays that, otherwise, would no longer be available.

It's an extraordinary resource, though I'm sure there has been a large amount of compromise and outright impeding of what content he's been able to host and serve, but that doesn't minimize his vision.

[ghostofitpast]

What I found

Yes, I have tried to use the Archive and have yet to be satisfied with the experience. I suppose I am not as much of a browser as my critics are. I seem to spend much of my time looking for new stuff with A9, although, now that they have severed their relations with Google, I go do Google directly when I am interested in images.

[Logomachist]

The Internet Archieve is great in theory, but its implimentation is lacking

I think the Internet Archive is a great idea but I've had a lot of trouble accessing website archives from the past few years. Even when I can access the content, it is very slow. Has anyone else had this problem? Anyone know if they're doing anything about it?