Comments on: Studios, RIAA target student piracy

Organizations send letters to 40 universities, urgently asking them to curtail illegal file sharing on their school networks.

[duke12aw]

ha

they seriously need to learn that piracy will never go away.

[James Wojciehowski]

Wrong is Wrong

You need to learn that piracy is not only ethically wrong it is illegal.
Frankly I can only hope that each and every violator of copyright
law is found and prosecuted.

The folks that work hard to create the intellectual property deserve
their compensation.

[duke12aw]

ha

they seriously need to learn that piracy will never go away.

[James Wojciehowski]

Wrong is Wrong

You need to learn that piracy is not only ethically wrong it is illegal.
Frankly I can only hope that each and every violator of copyright
law is found and prosecuted.

The folks that work hard to create the intellectual property deserve
their compensation.

[viperpa]

This is funny

Now we see the RIAA and the MPAA are going after private networks now, funny. LOLOL, they can't do anything since it is a private network and hacking a private network is against the law. What does the RIAA and MPAA know about the law anyways.

[James Wojciehowski]

Law

Obviously the RIAA and MPAA know more about the law than
you.

It is a violation of law to deny holders of intellectual property
(copyright owners) due compensation.

"Private networks"? Just because you conterfeit in your "private"
basement doesn't protect you from warranted search, arrest, and
prosecution.

Keep LOLOL -

[viperpa]

This is funny

Now we see the RIAA and the MPAA are going after private networks now, funny. LOLOL, they can't do anything since it is a private network and hacking a private network is against the law. What does the RIAA and MPAA know about the law anyways.

[James Wojciehowski]

Law

Obviously the RIAA and MPAA know more about the law than
you.

It is a violation of law to deny holders of intellectual property
(copyright owners) due compensation.

"Private networks"? Just because you conterfeit in your "private"
basement doesn't protect you from warranted search, arrest, and
prosecution.

Keep LOLOL -

[beonedrine]

Other aspects we're missing

I'm interested what evidence they have of users trading files within a Private School Network?!?! I'm assuming they are not student or faculty; which points to some sort of infiltration. This would be.....you guessed it, ILLEGAL!!!!!
For those of you living under a rock for the past 5 years, Independant artists are making more money now than ever as they've ditched the mega-corporations in favor of their personal lables. The mega labels are losing out to Indie labels and artists who are sidestepping these mogul bastards; they in turn need to point fingers to continue recieving cash from their sources (lobbyists/congress/advertisements) to keep grinding.
While their is still piracy going on (it's never going to go away, get over it!) it's not nearly as bad as they overstate. The RIAA wants the world to view them as a victim of piracy and that's just not the case. I can go through my stacks of cd's (which I've purchased) and only find a few who are signed by major labels.
The artists have been getting screwed for quite some time, and now with production/promotion costs at a bare minimum they have decided to go step up and keep the money they earn.

Plain and simple, people don't listen to the radio anymore (there are a few demographics that do, but they're over 50). We don't buy the garbage off the radio anymore and the RIAA can't seem to come up with new ways of ******* out musicians! I think it's fabulous!!!!!!!!

Share on!!!!!!!
Buy Independant Artists!!!
Support Indepdant Labels!!!!

[beonedrine]

Other aspects we're missing

I'm interested what evidence they have of users trading files within a Private School Network?!?! I'm assuming they are not student or faculty; which points to some sort of infiltration. This would be.....you guessed it, ILLEGAL!!!!!
For those of you living under a rock for the past 5 years, Independant artists are making more money now than ever as they've ditched the mega-corporations in favor of their personal lables. The mega labels are losing out to Indie labels and artists who are sidestepping these mogul bastards; they in turn need to point fingers to continue recieving cash from their sources (lobbyists/congress/advertisements) to keep grinding.
While their is still piracy going on (it's never going to go away, get over it!) it's not nearly as bad as they overstate. The RIAA wants the world to view them as a victim of piracy and that's just not the case. I can go through my stacks of cd's (which I've purchased) and only find a few who are signed by major labels.
The artists have been getting screwed for quite some time, and now with production/promotion costs at a bare minimum they have decided to go step up and keep the money they earn.

Plain and simple, people don't listen to the radio anymore (there are a few demographics that do, but they're over 50). We don't buy the garbage off the radio anymore and the RIAA can't seem to come up with new ways of ******* out musicians! I think it's fabulous!!!!!!!!

Share on!!!!!!!
Buy Independant Artists!!!
Support Indepdant Labels!!!!

[heystoopid]

Sadly

Sadly , we are seeing more and more fiction, published as fact! in regard to piracy, the industry is actually sponsoring an amendment to the 1998 DMCA, giving it a shot of super steroids!, and the big four!, are counting the ways, on how to sell the same piece of music or video to the man in the street and bring back the glorious 90's where they could do no wrong!, whilst permanently outlawing all fair use reseller rights!

Choices, will be both fatal and very expensive for many punters, if the evil media conglomerates get their way with our dumb compliant legislators, holding both hands out, obeying their masters every illogical whim and demand, and totally ignoring life's reality!

The media is here to entertain and amuse us, and are now the major labels dictating to us we will sell you only formula garbage, with no innovation!

[heystoopid]

Sadly

Sadly , we are seeing more and more fiction, published as fact! in regard to piracy, the industry is actually sponsoring an amendment to the 1998 DMCA, giving it a shot of super steroids!, and the big four!, are counting the ways, on how to sell the same piece of music or video to the man in the street and bring back the glorious 90's where they could do no wrong!, whilst permanently outlawing all fair use reseller rights!

Choices, will be both fatal and very expensive for many punters, if the evil media conglomerates get their way with our dumb compliant legislators, holding both hands out, obeying their masters every illogical whim and demand, and totally ignoring life's reality!

The media is here to entertain and amuse us, and are now the major labels dictating to us we will sell you only formula garbage, with no innovation!

[nunyabeezwax]

Piracy?

If sharing music is piracy then why isnt there a law that makes you wear earphones to listen to it? THEN if you go to a local pub an listen to a DJ wouldnt he then have to send someone royalties on the music he plays, per head count? Just think, tv, car radios, boom boxes any where you tune in an dont pay for each song, or every song you happen to over hear and dont pay for, you are pirating. I guess it could be said it depends on where and who draws what line eh. If applied to poetry, I think Mr Shakspear has a lot of money comming. Just think of how many times his stuff was copied on a peice of paper and passed on (for free). If I got one of those jotted pieces of paper an liked it enuff I might even consider going to a store and buying the whole book. I dont know but it seems to me that if someone likes a (pirated tune) enuff, that sooner or later he will inevetably have to have the commercial album of his own for his collection. Seems like the music business (an some pushy lawyers),is squeezing the golden goose for what its worth.

[aka_tripleB]

Didn't they try that?

I think, not too long ago, the RIAA tried to get a law passed that would make it illegal for other people to listen to other's radios. Of course if the law would have went though, they wouldn't have anyone to listen to the music because everyone would be in jail, because no one would take the law seriously and still let others hear.

The music and movie industries need to learn that inteluctual thief is a part of the business they're in and realize they can't make everyone pay. Personnally though, most of what they offer you couldn't pay me to listen to.

[The user with no name]

DJ do pay

to play the music that they entertain with. If they do not then they are violating copyright law (unless the bar or restaurant pays the fees for them as part of their compensation).

ANY public performance fo copyrighted material requires approval and negotiating of license. This goes for Schools wishing to produce a play based on a book or movie as well as musicians, DJ's, restaurants, movie theaters, and even street performers.

Technically, Happy B-Day is copyrighted and any public 'performance' of it is a violation of law without license and/or compensation. This means that YOU and the BAR OWNER can be sued for not paying up.

Has it happened? No
Does that mean it won't? Look at the RIAA and answer that for yourself!

If the RIAA really wanted to make money they would post spies in restaurants all across america. Then everytime someone sung this song they could sue the restaurant for copyright infringemnt. Since most businesses have more money than Joe College Kid or Sally Single Mom they should be able to easily get a settlement out of them. However since they also have more money they tend to fight back and this would be bad for the RIAA. They CANNOT afford to have even one case be lost or else their hous eof cards and mirrors will come tumbling down on them

[nunyabeezwax]

Piracy?

If sharing music is piracy then why isnt there a law that makes you wear earphones to listen to it? THEN if you go to a local pub an listen to a DJ wouldnt he then have to send someone royalties on the music he plays, per head count? Just think, tv, car radios, boom boxes any where you tune in an dont pay for each song, or every song you happen to over hear and dont pay for, you are pirating. I guess it could be said it depends on where and who draws what line eh. If applied to poetry, I think Mr Shakspear has a lot of money comming. Just think of how many times his stuff was copied on a peice of paper and passed on (for free). If I got one of those jotted pieces of paper an liked it enuff I might even consider going to a store and buying the whole book. I dont know but it seems to me that if someone likes a (pirated tune) enuff, that sooner or later he will inevetably have to have the commercial album of his own for his collection. Seems like the music business (an some pushy lawyers),is squeezing the golden goose for what its worth.

[aka_tripleB]

Didn't they try that?

I think, not too long ago, the RIAA tried to get a law passed that would make it illegal for other people to listen to other's radios. Of course if the law would have went though, they wouldn't have anyone to listen to the music because everyone would be in jail, because no one would take the law seriously and still let others hear.

The music and movie industries need to learn that inteluctual thief is a part of the business they're in and realize they can't make everyone pay. Personnally though, most of what they offer you couldn't pay me to listen to.

[The user with no name]

DJ do pay

to play the music that they entertain with. If they do not then they are violating copyright law (unless the bar or restaurant pays the fees for them as part of their compensation).

ANY public performance fo copyrighted material requires approval and negotiating of license. This goes for Schools wishing to produce a play based on a book or movie as well as musicians, DJ's, restaurants, movie theaters, and even street performers.

Technically, Happy B-Day is copyrighted and any public 'performance' of it is a violation of law without license and/or compensation. This means that YOU and the BAR OWNER can be sued for not paying up.

Has it happened? No
Does that mean it won't? Look at the RIAA and answer that for yourself!

If the RIAA really wanted to make money they would post spies in restaurants all across america. Then everytime someone sung this song they could sue the restaurant for copyright infringemnt. Since most businesses have more money than Joe College Kid or Sally Single Mom they should be able to easily get a settlement out of them. However since they also have more money they tend to fight back and this would be bad for the RIAA. They CANNOT afford to have even one case be lost or else their hous eof cards and mirrors will come tumbling down on them

[perfectblue97]

money for old rope

The reason why piracy is rampant is that consumers no longer value content.

Modern Music and Movies all sound the same and look the same and their prices are being kept artificially high by mega corperations looking to make as much money as possible.

Because of this consumers are increasingly feeling that they re being ripped off, and when a consumer feels that hey are being ripped off, they are hardly likely to value that company's products.

[perfectblue97]

money for old rope

The reason why piracy is rampant is that consumers no longer value content.

Modern Music and Movies all sound the same and look the same and their prices are being kept artificially high by mega corperations looking to make as much money as possible.

Because of this consumers are increasingly feeling that they re being ripped off, and when a consumer feels that hey are being ripped off, they are hardly likely to value that company's products.

[thedreaming]

just wait

Just wait, one day it'll be illegal to transfer music and video files to your ipod, it's only a matter of time. If they are freaking out over people sharing music and movies on a LAN, what's to stop them from requiring that all LAN be monitored for illegal sharing activity?

[thedreaming]

just wait

Just wait, one day it'll be illegal to transfer music and video files to your ipod, it's only a matter of time. If they are freaking out over people sharing music and movies on a LAN, what's to stop them from requiring that all LAN be monitored for illegal sharing activity?

[skeptik]

Lot of BS posts here

Guys, if your music collection does not contain any songs/movies from the RIAA/MPAA menbers, then you will not be subject to a lawsuit from them even if you share everything. If you have even one song/movie in your collection, then you're a liar and you are subject to their lawsuit.
However morally justified you are in your sharing media, it is currently against the law in the US.
Even if you don't share, if you break DRM - EVEN FOR YOUR OWN USE (such as loading your iPod etc) you are breaking the law and subject to a lawsuit. If the DMCA part 2 passes, you'll be subject to a lot worse.
If the content is so crappy, then why are you downloading it? Prima facie your argument is ignorant and hypocritical.

I am a pirate. The DMCA makes it nearly impossible to use modern technology and not be. Fair use vs DRM makes it completely impossible to be legal and still keep your rights.
I oppose the RIAA, MPAA, DRM, DMCA etc, but we need intelligent argument free of hypocrisy if we want to win this war, not a lot of crap from immature posters venting their hatred.
Be honest, be sincere and write your congressional representatives. The RIAA/MPAA are wrong, but unless we construct proper arguments we WILL LOSE! They have more money to invest in the fight than we do, and the politicians are easily influenced.

[alek_nedic]

you're a liar

http://www.analogstereo.com/nissan_armada_owners_manual.htm

[skeptik]

Lot of BS posts here

Guys, if your music collection does not contain any songs/movies from the RIAA/MPAA menbers, then you will not be subject to a lawsuit from them even if you share everything. If you have even one song/movie in your collection, then you're a liar and you are subject to their lawsuit.
However morally justified you are in your sharing media, it is currently against the law in the US.
Even if you don't share, if you break DRM - EVEN FOR YOUR OWN USE (such as loading your iPod etc) you are breaking the law and subject to a lawsuit. If the DMCA part 2 passes, you'll be subject to a lot worse.
If the content is so crappy, then why are you downloading it? Prima facie your argument is ignorant and hypocritical.

I am a pirate. The DMCA makes it nearly impossible to use modern technology and not be. Fair use vs DRM makes it completely impossible to be legal and still keep your rights.
I oppose the RIAA, MPAA, DRM, DMCA etc, but we need intelligent argument free of hypocrisy if we want to win this war, not a lot of crap from immature posters venting their hatred.
Be honest, be sincere and write your congressional representatives. The RIAA/MPAA are wrong, but unless we construct proper arguments we WILL LOSE! They have more money to invest in the fight than we do, and the politicians are easily influenced.

[alek_nedic]

you're a liar

http://www.analogstereo.com/nissan_armada_owners_manual.htm

[bobj123]

Piracy...

...plain and simple is a form of renting in most cases. If you happen to be interested in an artist and their new album is avaiable online for free, I am sure you will be downloading it. But depending upon the quality and depending upon how you enjoyed the freebie will then make you go purchase a copy.

[Jahntassa]

In this case

In this case, i'd agree. At least personally. I obviously can't speak for the majority of downloaders. If I heard an artist playing on XM or something, i'd go try to find more info about them. Back in the days of Napster, i'd download one or two songs, see if I liked them, then head over to Tower Records and see if I couldn't find a CD or two. This method instituted my love of several artists, including Dishwalla, Type O Negative, Linkin Park, and others.

[bobj123]

Piracy...

...plain and simple is a form of renting in most cases. If you happen to be interested in an artist and their new album is avaiable online for free, I am sure you will be downloading it. But depending upon the quality and depending upon how you enjoyed the freebie will then make you go purchase a copy.

[Jahntassa]

In this case

In this case, i'd agree. At least personally. I obviously can't speak for the majority of downloaders. If I heard an artist playing on XM or something, i'd go try to find more info about them. Back in the days of Napster, i'd download one or two songs, see if I liked them, then head over to Tower Records and see if I couldn't find a CD or two. This method instituted my love of several artists, including Dishwalla, Type O Negative, Linkin Park, and others.

[chuck_whealton]

Maybe if they produced some quality music...

Considering the labels are charging ridiculous prices for the likes of Britney Spears and Ashlee Simpson, did they really expect more CD sales?

These guys need to stop concentrating on making the best looking person into overnight millionaires and start concentrating on finding real artists.

Charles R. Whealton

chuck whealton @ nospam.net

[chuck_whealton]

And just to be clear

Just to be clear, I'm NOT advocating piracy, though I do believe the RIAA lawsuit settlements go to far.

What I do seriously believe is that the quality of music has gone down so drastically that this is probably more to blame for the dropoff in sales than piracy.

I mean seriously - when was the last time that anybody in the 40 - 50 year old age range saw music that made them consider purchasing the ENTIRE CD versus hitting the iTunes store and buying one or two songs at most?

The recording industry needs to start producing some QUALITY music and then perhaps their sales will pick up.

Charles Whealton
Chuck Whealton @ pleasedontspam.com

[chuck_whealton]

Maybe if they produced some quality music...

Considering the labels are charging ridiculous prices for the likes of Britney Spears and Ashlee Simpson, did they really expect more CD sales?

These guys need to stop concentrating on making the best looking person into overnight millionaires and start concentrating on finding real artists.

Charles R. Whealton

chuck whealton @ nospam.net

[chuck_whealton]

And just to be clear

Just to be clear, I'm NOT advocating piracy, though I do believe the RIAA lawsuit settlements go to far.

What I do seriously believe is that the quality of music has gone down so drastically that this is probably more to blame for the dropoff in sales than piracy.

I mean seriously - when was the last time that anybody in the 40 - 50 year old age range saw music that made them consider purchasing the ENTIRE CD versus hitting the iTunes store and buying one or two songs at most?

The recording industry needs to start producing some QUALITY music and then perhaps their sales will pick up.

Charles Whealton
Chuck Whealton @ pleasedontspam.com