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Microsoft "sets the rules" that others MUST play by??
by technewsjunkie August 30, 2005 7:30 AM PDT
NO, I don't trust Microsoft either ethically or technically.

And the numerous "protections" I suspect (based on MS's track
record) will cause numerous problems. Once again users will think
that it is _them_ that doesn't understand thier computers, but in
actuality it will have been an unreliable and arcane product to the
vast majority of average users.
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Microsoft "sets the rules" that others MUST play by??
by technewsjunkie August 30, 2005 7:30 AM PDT
NO, I don't trust Microsoft either ethically or technically.

And the numerous "protections" I suspect (based on MS's track
record) will cause numerous problems. Once again users will think
that it is _them_ that doesn't understand thier computers, but in
actuality it will have been an unreliable and arcane product to the
vast majority of average users.
Reply to this comment
Microsoft "sets the rules" that others MUST play by??
by technewsjunkie August 30, 2005 7:30 AM PDT
NO, I don't trust Microsoft either ethically or technically.

And the numerous "protections" I suspect (based on MS's track
record) will cause numerous problems. Once again users will think
that it is _them_ that doesn't understand thier computers, but in
actuality it will have been an unreliable and arcane product to the
vast majority of average users.
Reply to this comment
Microsoft "sets the rules" that others MUST play by??
by technewsjunkie August 30, 2005 7:30 AM PDT
NO, I don't trust Microsoft either ethically or technically.

And the numerous "protections" I suspect (based on MS's track
record) will cause numerous problems. Once again users will think
that it is _them_ that doesn't understand thier computers, but in
actuality it will have been an unreliable and arcane product to the
vast majority of average users.
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Wow, I get to spend a ton of money I don't have.
by August 30, 2005 7:40 AM PDT
I have a Linux machine and a XP machine. I use the Linux machine for everything but burning DVDs (personal backups of my originals of course). I have a TV tuner card but haven't installed it yet. Basically cause I'm lazy and can already view all of my computer stored video content on my TV in HD and in digital surround via my software modded Xbox. But I'm seriously considering buying a new computer powerful enough to run Vista and while I'm at it I should probably replace my entire home theater system with a Vista compatible one. Oh wait I'm not a brain dead and have the ability to think for myself. Whew, wow I almost fell for the hype. Thank god, cause I was so about to spend a couple grand cause Microsoft and Hollywood said I should. Yeah right.
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Used Macs?
by August 30, 2005 11:25 AM PDT
I might buy a used Mac to do the home theater stuff. Forget Vista,
I will not buy a glorified XBox for $3k.
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Wow, I get to spend a ton of money I don't have.
by August 30, 2005 7:40 AM PDT
I have a Linux machine and a XP machine. I use the Linux machine for everything but burning DVDs (personal backups of my originals of course). I have a TV tuner card but haven't installed it yet. Basically cause I'm lazy and can already view all of my computer stored video content on my TV in HD and in digital surround via my software modded Xbox. But I'm seriously considering buying a new computer powerful enough to run Vista and while I'm at it I should probably replace my entire home theater system with a Vista compatible one. Oh wait I'm not a brain dead and have the ability to think for myself. Whew, wow I almost fell for the hype. Thank god, cause I was so about to spend a couple grand cause Microsoft and Hollywood said I should. Yeah right.
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Used Macs?
by August 30, 2005 11:25 AM PDT
I might buy a used Mac to do the home theater stuff. Forget Vista,
I will not buy a glorified XBox for $3k.
View reply
Wow, I get to spend a ton of money I don't have.
by August 30, 2005 7:40 AM PDT
I have a Linux machine and a XP machine. I use the Linux machine for everything but burning DVDs (personal backups of my originals of course). I have a TV tuner card but haven't installed it yet. Basically cause I'm lazy and can already view all of my computer stored video content on my TV in HD and in digital surround via my software modded Xbox. But I'm seriously considering buying a new computer powerful enough to run Vista and while I'm at it I should probably replace my entire home theater system with a Vista compatible one. Oh wait I'm not a brain dead and have the ability to think for myself. Whew, wow I almost fell for the hype. Thank god, cause I was so about to spend a couple grand cause Microsoft and Hollywood said I should. Yeah right.
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Used Macs?
by August 30, 2005 11:25 AM PDT
I might buy a used Mac to do the home theater stuff. Forget Vista,
I will not buy a glorified XBox for $3k.
View reply
Wow, I get to spend a ton of money I don't have.
by August 30, 2005 7:40 AM PDT
I have a Linux machine and a XP machine. I use the Linux machine for everything but burning DVDs (personal backups of my originals of course). I have a TV tuner card but haven't installed it yet. Basically cause I'm lazy and can already view all of my computer stored video content on my TV in HD and in digital surround via my software modded Xbox. But I'm seriously considering buying a new computer powerful enough to run Vista and while I'm at it I should probably replace my entire home theater system with a Vista compatible one. Oh wait I'm not a brain dead and have the ability to think for myself. Whew, wow I almost fell for the hype. Thank god, cause I was so about to spend a couple grand cause Microsoft and Hollywood said I should. Yeah right.
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Used Macs?
by August 30, 2005 11:25 AM PDT
I might buy a used Mac to do the home theater stuff. Forget Vista,
I will not buy a glorified XBox for $3k.
View reply
Hollywood: be careful who you sleep with
by technewsjunkie August 30, 2005 7:46 AM PDT
Microsoft is doing this to control the distribution technologies
and thereby cut off competitors.

Hollywood may be selling it's soul to "the devil".

Once Microsoft controls the DISTRIBUTION and TECHNOLOGY
(defacto) STANDARDS like it does with Windows Update using
the internet to add "new" products that were invented elsewhere
to the OS, ( for example the browser and _Google_ SEARCH )
then MS can hold Hollywood, and competitors, hostage in future
developments.
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This is so Windows Media Player is in charge of all entertainment
by Morale Officer August 30, 2005 9:52 AM PDT
I agree Mike,

This is a deal with the devil. I happily use Windows XP and edit video. I shoot my own stuff and do photo montage stuff for friends and family. I have not been to a movie theater in over a year. I have not been to block buster or similar in over a year. I do not have HBO or any premium cable channels. Cuz the content out there REALLLLLLLLY SUXXXXXXX!!!! I also have more fun playing online games lol. Microsofts security solutions so far consist of automatically blocking everything --heck why dont they just block it from booting and that would secure it. So now in order to provide "security" to the Hollywood "content" producers there answer again is to remove features, to remove functionality to cripple to torture to maim....sorry.
Hollywoood is probably savy enough to see through any MS master plan for dominance. I think that we will see more coordination going on in terms of new DVD/CD protection schemes that are understood by the software to stop certain things from happening. We should pay for our entertainment but in this scheme we really will have hell to pay.
Rise of Open Source
by R. U. Sirius August 30, 2005 10:15 AM PDT
As Microsoft gets more and more restrictive, my bet would be on the rise of open source (Linux and Solaris). Here's why.

Entrepreneurs and innovaters won't be able to do much on Windows going forward with all the mess of DRM entanglement being built in the new Vista architecture.

So that will begin forcing the search for an alternative. For a while that might be Apple, but Apple will be under pressure to institute DRM into OSX. The only other viable choices then, are Linux and Solaris (which was recently open sourced).

It's going to be interesting.
View reply
Hollywood: be careful who you sleep with
by technewsjunkie August 30, 2005 7:46 AM PDT
Microsoft is doing this to control the distribution technologies
and thereby cut off competitors.

Hollywood may be selling it's soul to "the devil".

Once Microsoft controls the DISTRIBUTION and TECHNOLOGY
(defacto) STANDARDS like it does with Windows Update using
the internet to add "new" products that were invented elsewhere
to the OS, ( for example the browser and _Google_ SEARCH )
then MS can hold Hollywood, and competitors, hostage in future
developments.
Reply to this comment
This is so Windows Media Player is in charge of all entertainment
by Morale Officer August 30, 2005 9:52 AM PDT
I agree Mike,

This is a deal with the devil. I happily use Windows XP and edit video. I shoot my own stuff and do photo montage stuff for friends and family. I have not been to a movie theater in over a year. I have not been to block buster or similar in over a year. I do not have HBO or any premium cable channels. Cuz the content out there REALLLLLLLLY SUXXXXXXX!!!! I also have more fun playing online games lol. Microsofts security solutions so far consist of automatically blocking everything --heck why dont they just block it from booting and that would secure it. So now in order to provide "security" to the Hollywood "content" producers there answer again is to remove features, to remove functionality to cripple to torture to maim....sorry.
Hollywoood is probably savy enough to see through any MS master plan for dominance. I think that we will see more coordination going on in terms of new DVD/CD protection schemes that are understood by the software to stop certain things from happening. We should pay for our entertainment but in this scheme we really will have hell to pay.
Rise of Open Source
by R. U. Sirius August 30, 2005 10:15 AM PDT
As Microsoft gets more and more restrictive, my bet would be on the rise of open source (Linux and Solaris). Here's why.

Entrepreneurs and innovaters won't be able to do much on Windows going forward with all the mess of DRM entanglement being built in the new Vista architecture.

So that will begin forcing the search for an alternative. For a while that might be Apple, but Apple will be under pressure to institute DRM into OSX. The only other viable choices then, are Linux and Solaris (which was recently open sourced).

It's going to be interesting.
View reply
Hollywood: be careful who you sleep with
by technewsjunkie August 30, 2005 7:46 AM PDT
Microsoft is doing this to control the distribution technologies
and thereby cut off competitors.

Hollywood may be selling it's soul to "the devil".

Once Microsoft controls the DISTRIBUTION and TECHNOLOGY
(defacto) STANDARDS like it does with Windows Update using
the internet to add "new" products that were invented elsewhere
to the OS, ( for example the browser and _Google_ SEARCH )
then MS can hold Hollywood, and competitors, hostage in future
developments.
Reply to this comment
This is so Windows Media Player is in charge of all entertainment
by Morale Officer August 30, 2005 9:52 AM PDT
I agree Mike,

This is a deal with the devil. I happily use Windows XP and edit video. I shoot my own stuff and do photo montage stuff for friends and family. I have not been to a movie theater in over a year. I have not been to block buster or similar in over a year. I do not have HBO or any premium cable channels. Cuz the content out there REALLLLLLLLY SUXXXXXXX!!!! I also have more fun playing online games lol. Microsofts security solutions so far consist of automatically blocking everything --heck why dont they just block it from booting and that would secure it. So now in order to provide "security" to the Hollywood "content" producers there answer again is to remove features, to remove functionality to cripple to torture to maim....sorry.
Hollywoood is probably savy enough to see through any MS master plan for dominance. I think that we will see more coordination going on in terms of new DVD/CD protection schemes that are understood by the software to stop certain things from happening. We should pay for our entertainment but in this scheme we really will have hell to pay.
Rise of Open Source
by R. U. Sirius August 30, 2005 10:15 AM PDT
As Microsoft gets more and more restrictive, my bet would be on the rise of open source (Linux and Solaris). Here's why.

Entrepreneurs and innovaters won't be able to do much on Windows going forward with all the mess of DRM entanglement being built in the new Vista architecture.

So that will begin forcing the search for an alternative. For a while that might be Apple, but Apple will be under pressure to institute DRM into OSX. The only other viable choices then, are Linux and Solaris (which was recently open sourced).

It's going to be interesting.
View reply
Hollywood: be careful who you sleep with
by technewsjunkie August 30, 2005 7:46 AM PDT
Microsoft is doing this to control the distribution technologies
and thereby cut off competitors.

Hollywood may be selling it's soul to "the devil".

Once Microsoft controls the DISTRIBUTION and TECHNOLOGY
(defacto) STANDARDS like it does with Windows Update using
the internet to add "new" products that were invented elsewhere
to the OS, ( for example the browser and _Google_ SEARCH )
then MS can hold Hollywood, and competitors, hostage in future
developments.
Reply to this comment
This is so Windows Media Player is in charge of all entertainment
by Morale Officer August 30, 2005 9:52 AM PDT
I agree Mike,

This is a deal with the devil. I happily use Windows XP and edit video. I shoot my own stuff and do photo montage stuff for friends and family. I have not been to a movie theater in over a year. I have not been to block buster or similar in over a year. I do not have HBO or any premium cable channels. Cuz the content out there REALLLLLLLLY SUXXXXXXX!!!! I also have more fun playing online games lol. Microsofts security solutions so far consist of automatically blocking everything --heck why dont they just block it from booting and that would secure it. So now in order to provide "security" to the Hollywood "content" producers there answer again is to remove features, to remove functionality to cripple to torture to maim....sorry.
Hollywoood is probably savy enough to see through any MS master plan for dominance. I think that we will see more coordination going on in terms of new DVD/CD protection schemes that are understood by the software to stop certain things from happening. We should pay for our entertainment but in this scheme we really will have hell to pay.
Rise of Open Source
by R. U. Sirius August 30, 2005 10:15 AM PDT
As Microsoft gets more and more restrictive, my bet would be on the rise of open source (Linux and Solaris). Here's why.

Entrepreneurs and innovaters won't be able to do much on Windows going forward with all the mess of DRM entanglement being built in the new Vista architecture.

So that will begin forcing the search for an alternative. For a while that might be Apple, but Apple will be under pressure to institute DRM into OSX. The only other viable choices then, are Linux and Solaris (which was recently open sourced).

It's going to be interesting.
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If I can't play my mp3's or MPEG files, goodbye MSFT
by bobby_brady August 30, 2005 8:06 AM PDT
I'll freaking tell everyone I know to switch to Linux. I've been using Windows/DOS since the 80's, Microsoft better NOT tell me what I can and can't do with my computer!
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As I Read it, mp3, avi, and mpeg are DOA in Vista
by R. U. Sirius August 30, 2005 10:01 AM PDT
I think you're correct. Although MP3's might be okay in V1, eventually they'll be verboten. However, codecs like AVI, and Mpeg are all going to be DOA in Vista. It even sounds as though DVD's and CD's that are connected to older equipment are going to cause the system to shut down.

That alone is enough for me to say hasta la vista Vista.
If I can't play my mp3's or MPEG files, goodbye MSFT
by bobby_brady August 30, 2005 8:06 AM PDT
I'll freaking tell everyone I know to switch to Linux. I've been using Windows/DOS since the 80's, Microsoft better NOT tell me what I can and can't do with my computer!
Reply to this comment
As I Read it, mp3, avi, and mpeg are DOA in Vista
by R. U. Sirius August 30, 2005 10:01 AM PDT
I think you're correct. Although MP3's might be okay in V1, eventually they'll be verboten. However, codecs like AVI, and Mpeg are all going to be DOA in Vista. It even sounds as though DVD's and CD's that are connected to older equipment are going to cause the system to shut down.

That alone is enough for me to say hasta la vista Vista.
If I can't play my mp3's or MPEG files, goodbye MSFT
by bobby_brady August 30, 2005 8:06 AM PDT
I'll freaking tell everyone I know to switch to Linux. I've been using Windows/DOS since the 80's, Microsoft better NOT tell me what I can and can't do with my computer!
Reply to this comment
As I Read it, mp3, avi, and mpeg are DOA in Vista
by R. U. Sirius August 30, 2005 10:01 AM PDT
I think you're correct. Although MP3's might be okay in V1, eventually they'll be verboten. However, codecs like AVI, and Mpeg are all going to be DOA in Vista. It even sounds as though DVD's and CD's that are connected to older equipment are going to cause the system to shut down.

That alone is enough for me to say hasta la vista Vista.
If I can't play my mp3's or MPEG files, goodbye MSFT
by bobby_brady August 30, 2005 8:06 AM PDT
I'll freaking tell everyone I know to switch to Linux. I've been using Windows/DOS since the 80's, Microsoft better NOT tell me what I can and can't do with my computer!
Reply to this comment
As I Read it, mp3, avi, and mpeg are DOA in Vista
by R. U. Sirius August 30, 2005 10:01 AM PDT
I think you're correct. Although MP3's might be okay in V1, eventually they'll be verboten. However, codecs like AVI, and Mpeg are all going to be DOA in Vista. It even sounds as though DVD's and CD's that are connected to older equipment are going to cause the system to shut down.

That alone is enough for me to say hasta la vista Vista.
Does this surprise anyone?
by aabcdefghij987654321 August 30, 2005 8:14 AM PDT
These types of "protections" have been discussed on cnet and other places before and should come as no surprise. Both Microsoft and Apple have been in bed with the content companies for years, and it would be a mistake for consumers to trust either company to look out for their rights. These companies have neatly absolved themselves of any responsibility for any problems caused by their products throught cleverly-worded EULAs. I suspect that the same will apply to digital content (e.g. you buy a movie on a disk, it does not play properly on your equipment, no refund).

This push by Microsoft may be the thing that drives the average consumer to open-source, however, Microsoft as a company is not stupid. They realize that there is a fine balance that they are walking to protect the content companies without driving consumers to seek out alternatives. Obviously, the content companies would like the strongest protection possible (in fact, they would like to be able to charge consumers every time they access the content), while honest consumers would like to be able to enjoy the content that they have already paid for (sometimes more than once) and will pay for in the future. If someone buys a Vista Media Center and finds that he cannot do things that his neighbor running Linux with MythTV can do, it's only a matter of time.
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Does this surprise anyone?
by aabcdefghij987654321 August 30, 2005 8:14 AM PDT
These types of "protections" have been discussed on cnet and other places before and should come as no surprise. Both Microsoft and Apple have been in bed with the content companies for years, and it would be a mistake for consumers to trust either company to look out for their rights. These companies have neatly absolved themselves of any responsibility for any problems caused by their products throught cleverly-worded EULAs. I suspect that the same will apply to digital content (e.g. you buy a movie on a disk, it does not play properly on your equipment, no refund).

This push by Microsoft may be the thing that drives the average consumer to open-source, however, Microsoft as a company is not stupid. They realize that there is a fine balance that they are walking to protect the content companies without driving consumers to seek out alternatives. Obviously, the content companies would like the strongest protection possible (in fact, they would like to be able to charge consumers every time they access the content), while honest consumers would like to be able to enjoy the content that they have already paid for (sometimes more than once) and will pay for in the future. If someone buys a Vista Media Center and finds that he cannot do things that his neighbor running Linux with MythTV can do, it's only a matter of time.
Reply to this comment
Does this surprise anyone?
by aabcdefghij987654321 August 30, 2005 8:14 AM PDT
These types of "protections" have been discussed on cnet and other places before and should come as no surprise. Both Microsoft and Apple have been in bed with the content companies for years, and it would be a mistake for consumers to trust either company to look out for their rights. These companies have neatly absolved themselves of any responsibility for any problems caused by their products throught cleverly-worded EULAs. I suspect that the same will apply to digital content (e.g. you buy a movie on a disk, it does not play properly on your equipment, no refund).

This push by Microsoft may be the thing that drives the average consumer to open-source, however, Microsoft as a company is not stupid. They realize that there is a fine balance that they are walking to protect the content companies without driving consumers to seek out alternatives. Obviously, the content companies would like the strongest protection possible (in fact, they would like to be able to charge consumers every time they access the content), while honest consumers would like to be able to enjoy the content that they have already paid for (sometimes more than once) and will pay for in the future. If someone buys a Vista Media Center and finds that he cannot do things that his neighbor running Linux with MythTV can do, it's only a matter of time.
Reply to this comment
Does this surprise anyone?
by aabcdefghij987654321 August 30, 2005 8:14 AM PDT
These types of "protections" have been discussed on cnet and other places before and should come as no surprise. Both Microsoft and Apple have been in bed with the content companies for years, and it would be a mistake for consumers to trust either company to look out for their rights. These companies have neatly absolved themselves of any responsibility for any problems caused by their products throught cleverly-worded EULAs. I suspect that the same will apply to digital content (e.g. you buy a movie on a disk, it does not play properly on your equipment, no refund).

This push by Microsoft may be the thing that drives the average consumer to open-source, however, Microsoft as a company is not stupid. They realize that there is a fine balance that they are walking to protect the content companies without driving consumers to seek out alternatives. Obviously, the content companies would like the strongest protection possible (in fact, they would like to be able to charge consumers every time they access the content), while honest consumers would like to be able to enjoy the content that they have already paid for (sometimes more than once) and will pay for in the future. If someone buys a Vista Media Center and finds that he cannot do things that his neighbor running Linux with MythTV can do, it's only a matter of time.
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