And thank God that Steve and Co. have had the good sense to do what they are doing: provide the best hardware, best NONproprietary formats, best download store .. the best of everything!
Remember the first iMac commercials: "about as unPC as you can get," wasn't it? Well the iPod is about as unReal as you can get, and we love it.
Glaser, everybody recognizes your sour grapes and "me too" attitude. Fix your own product and let Apple worry about theirs.
1) They announced they were using AAC themselves for their future services but with their own proprietary, Helix DRM added. Do you expect Apple to support your DRM also?
2) Apple's DRM isn't Apple's at all - Fairplay is from VeriDisc. Perhaps Real should talk to VeriDisc about FairPlay DRM instead of using Helix or blaming Apple.
3) When you go to Real's Rhapsody online music store using a Mac it prominently says 'RealRhapsody music service is not available for Macintosh users.'. Perhaps Real should support Mac users before asking Apple to support them.
4) The iPod doesn't use DRM. The DRM is built into iTunes so that you can only copy DRMd files to you iPod provided it's from an authorised computer. Real should do their homework before ********.
last i checked you cant even encode to rm or any real format in mac os X .. the only solution we ever had on os 9 was cleaner, and i dont think it encodes to any real format on os x.. not to say i WANT to encode to that awful awful format.. im surprised real has even made it this far with such shoddy products.... rm and wmv should duke it out for worst streaming format ever.. i wonder who would win?
1) They announced they were using AAC themselves for their future services but with their own proprietary, Helix DRM added. Do you expect Apple to support your DRM also?
2) Apple's DRM isn't Apple's at all - Fairplay is from VeriDisc. Perhaps Real should talk to VeriDisc about FairPlay DRM instead of using Helix or blaming Apple.
3) When you go to Real's Rhapsody online music store using a Mac it prominently says 'RealRhapsody music service is not available for Macintosh users.'. Perhaps Real should support Mac users before asking Apple to support them.
4) The iPod doesn't use DRM. The DRM is built into iTunes so that you can only copy DRMd files to you iPod provided it's from an authorised computer. Real should do their homework before ********.
last i checked you cant even encode to rm or any real format in mac os X .. the only solution we ever had on os 9 was cleaner, and i dont think it encodes to any real format on os x.. not to say i WANT to encode to that awful awful format.. im surprised real has even made it this far with such shoddy products.... rm and wmv should duke it out for worst streaming format ever.. i wonder who would win?
The apple music store has sold 50 million songs. How can Real say they're going to lose market share?? If someone is really butt-hurt about having to buy online music only from itunes music store then there's dozens of other poorly designed media players with which they can buy music from other poorly designed online music stores with their poorly designed Windows-based PCs.
The apple music store has sold 50 million songs. How can Real say they're going to lose market share?? If someone is really butt-hurt about having to buy online music only from itunes music store then there's dozens of other poorly designed media players with which they can buy music from other poorly designed online music stores with their poorly designed Windows-based PCs.
The one thing that really bothers me is that the other music sites criticize itunes for AAC, but they don't realize all any music fan from any site(Napster,Walmart,itunes and etc.) can buy a song and burn it to cd or cd/rw and convert it to mp3. I like itunes as well as Napster. Some songs that I don't get from itunes I get from Napster and burn them to CD and then transfer them to mp3. CD-R's are so cheap now you can easily get what you want for any mp3 player especially the ipod. AAC makes the ipod and itunes unique the rest are cookie cutter copycats
but there are a lot of ignorant people that just do not know any better. I know people that would believe me if I told them their computer had a temporal flux capacitor in it with an oscillation overthruster running at 888GHz.
I like to think that Real was an early pioneer on the net, so it's frankly sad to see them resort to this kind of completely inane dribble about Apple, the iPod and, oh my God, the Soviet Union.
I like to be the first to announce to Real that they do have a chance on the online music market. Today. Right now. Here's how you do it: Instead of waisting eveyone's time complaining about Apple and the iPod, compete with them, Offer the world a product that blows the iTunes and the iPod solution away.
Problem is that will never happen. You know it and I know it, because everyone in your business is too lazy, too stupid, and lacks any sort of creative inspiration whatsoever to even begin to take on Apple at that level. And that's precisely what separates Apple from it's competitors. That's precisely why Apple has enjoyed 50 million (and counting) downloaded, paid for songs. That's precisely why Apple's dominant share of legal downloads will remain just that. Dominant, There is simply no reason for anyone to look at any solution other that iPod and iTunes, and I don't see one coming for the foreseeable future. Certainly not from Real, after reading this article.
By the way AAC comes from Dolby labs, not Apple. Apple uses it under license. So could anyone else. Even Microsoft. Along with fair play, AAC sounds great, and you own the songs you buy. Along with iTunes and iPod, what does anyone else offer that invites even a cursory look?
Maybe Real should start selling CD's online. How about that?
I like to think that Real was an early pioneer on the net, so it's frankly sad to see them resort to this kind of completely inane dribble about Apple, the iPod and, oh my God, the Soviet Union.
I like to be the first to announce to Real that they do have a chance on the online music market. Today. Right now. Here's how you do it: Instead of waisting eveyone's time complaining about Apple and the iPod, compete with them, Offer the world a product that blows the iTunes and the iPod solution away.
Problem is that will never happen. You know it and I know it, because everyone in your business is too lazy, too stupid, and lacks any sort of creative inspiration whatsoever to even begin to take on Apple at that level. And that's precisely what separates Apple from it's competitors. That's precisely why Apple has enjoyed 50 million (and counting) downloaded, paid for songs. That's precisely why Apple's dominant share of legal downloads will remain just that. Dominant, There is simply no reason for anyone to look at any solution other that iPod and iTunes, and I don't see one coming for the foreseeable future. Certainly not from Real, after reading this article.
By the way AAC comes from Dolby labs, not Apple. Apple uses it under license. So could anyone else. Even Microsoft. Along with fair play, AAC sounds great, and you own the songs you buy. Along with iTunes and iPod, what does anyone else offer that invites even a cursory look?
Maybe Real should start selling CD's online. How about that?
Of course this FUD will spread despite how erroneous it may be. Even if you can buy CDs and convert them to MP3s or purchase MP3s elsewhere, there will still be ignorant people that only hear the FUD second hand from people who regurgitate it without question. Some people do not even realize there are alternative operating systems and only hear about windoze their whole life.
Of course this FUD will spread despite how erroneous it may be. Even if you can buy CDs and convert them to MP3s or purchase MP3s elsewhere, there will still be ignorant people that only hear the FUD second hand from people who regurgitate it without question. Some people do not even realize there are alternative operating systems and only hear about windoze their whole life.
If they want to sell music that plays on the iPod so bad then why don't they just release them as unprotected aac or mp3 files then? Obviously we know the answer to that one but still, as long as a road is there you can't really complain about having to off road it. It's so funny for him to say that though, they're essentially going to the people who are the market leaders by a huge margin and telling them "your doing it all wrong!". Anyone else think that's a little odd? Besides why would you want to use any other music store other than iTms? The only reason I can see is if they don't have the song you want which is becoming less and less likely everyday...
If they want to sell music that plays on the iPod so bad then why don't they just release them as unprotected aac or mp3 files then? Obviously we know the answer to that one but still, as long as a road is there you can't really complain about having to off road it. It's so funny for him to say that though, they're essentially going to the people who are the market leaders by a huge margin and telling them "your doing it all wrong!". Anyone else think that's a little odd? Besides why would you want to use any other music store other than iTms? The only reason I can see is if they don't have the song you want which is becoming less and less likely everyday...
Isn't real the worst format ever. Can not be converted to anything, is only played on real players ... Apple's AAC and MP3 is widely supported on any platform. Why doesn't he just tell us that he is pissed off and jealous to see the well designed Apple product taking the market on the fly. Unfortunately most PC users can not distiguish between trash and well designed stuff ...
Isn't real the worst format ever. Can not be converted to anything, is only played on real players ... Apple's AAC and MP3 is widely supported on any platform. Why doesn't he just tell us that he is pissed off and jealous to see the well designed Apple product taking the market on the fly. Unfortunately most PC users can not distiguish between trash and well designed stuff ...
Do these other services like Rhapsody not allow you to download to MP3? If they do not are they not guilty of the same issue as he is saying Apple is? I have plenty of music that i have both purchased and ripped and purchased on my ipod
Do these other services like Rhapsody not allow you to download to MP3? If they do not are they not guilty of the same issue as he is saying Apple is? I have plenty of music that i have both purchased and ripped and purchased on my ipod
There are several other sites where you can download music for the ipod. I have an ipod and rarely use the Apple site. How can they print these lies that will mislead people? Besides Real Audio is way inferior to Quick time
There are several other sites where you can download music for the ipod. I have an ipod and rarely use the Apple site. How can they print these lies that will mislead people? Besides Real Audio is way inferior to Quick time
Opening up the iPod completely is dangerous. It will allow Microsoft to incorporate a 'free' WMA license which consumers can download, and which it can tie more closely to Windows as it has done with Internet Explorer. (there will be a version that is more secure and blocks pop-ups but it is only available for Windows XP users. Microsoft does not *have* to do it this way, but they do.)
Real is right in the sense that in order to compete with Microsoft effectively, they must make the WMA services seem out-of-place (which they are!). Real has created a jukebox that plays almost anything (strangely enough not .ogg) and is very quick to launch. They also use AAC. It is even of a higher bitrate (192kbps).
They do have songs that iTunes doesn't have because of their Rhapsody independent artist relationship.
If Real has the song I want, why wouldn't I buy from them?
A: the DRM world is so screwed up. That wouldn't stop me.. I am missing my credit card.
I believe that if Real can emphasize that their DRM is better than WMA, and that they will license to anybody, Apple will feel some heat, and consumers will benefit.
Alternatively, if the iPod supports Helix, then we have an AAC-powerhouse in the marketplace. (Walmart has hinted that they may support other formats in a private e-mail to me, as has Mercora publically.)
Opening up the iPod completely is dangerous. It will allow Microsoft to incorporate a 'free' WMA license which consumers can download, and which it can tie more closely to Windows as it has done with Internet Explorer. (there will be a version that is more secure and blocks pop-ups but it is only available for Windows XP users. Microsoft does not *have* to do it this way, but they do.)
Real is right in the sense that in order to compete with Microsoft effectively, they must make the WMA services seem out-of-place (which they are!). Real has created a jukebox that plays almost anything (strangely enough not .ogg) and is very quick to launch. They also use AAC. It is even of a higher bitrate (192kbps).
They do have songs that iTunes doesn't have because of their Rhapsody independent artist relationship.
If Real has the song I want, why wouldn't I buy from them?
A: the DRM world is so screwed up. That wouldn't stop me.. I am missing my credit card.
I believe that if Real can emphasize that their DRM is better than WMA, and that they will license to anybody, Apple will feel some heat, and consumers will benefit.
Alternatively, if the iPod supports Helix, then we have an AAC-powerhouse in the marketplace. (Walmart has hinted that they may support other formats in a private e-mail to me, as has Mercora publically.)
We am looking for a musician that was a friend in the 70's in San Diego: John Sandavol. If you are that person, please let me know what you have been doing for the last 35 years or so.
We am looking for a musician that was a friend in the 70's in San Diego: John Sandavol. If you are that person, please let me know what you have been doing for the last 35 years or so.
WHAT KIND OF RETARD IS GOING TO SPEND 300 DOLLARS ON AN IPOD WHEN YOU HAVE TO PAY 1.00 DOLLAR EACH SONG? IT WOULD ADD UP TO ABOUT 1,800 DOLLARS IF YOU GOT A MINI. I RECENTLY ORDERED AN IPOD NOT KNOWING YOU HAD TO PAY 1 DOLLAR FOR EACH SONG, THAT RIDICULOUS!! IF I CANT DOWNLOAD SONGS ON MY IPOD FROM IMESH, I WILL SEND IT BACK, PLEASE COMMENT!!
WHAT KIND OF RETARD IS GOING TO SPEND 300 DOLLARS ON AN IPOD WHEN YOU HAVE TO PAY 1.00 DOLLAR EACH SONG? IT WOULD ADD UP TO ABOUT 1,800 DOLLARS IF YOU GOT A MINI. I RECENTLY ORDERED AN IPOD NOT KNOWING YOU HAD TO PAY 1 DOLLAR FOR EACH SONG, THAT RIDICULOUS!! IF I CANT DOWNLOAD SONGS ON MY IPOD FROM IMESH, I WILL SEND IT BACK, PLEASE COMMENT!!
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Remember the first iMac commercials: "about as unPC as you can get," wasn't it? Well the iPod is about as unReal as you can get, and we love it.
Glaser, everybody recognizes your sour grapes and "me too" attitude. Fix your own product and let Apple worry about theirs.
1) They announced they were using AAC themselves for their
future services but with their own proprietary, Helix DRM added.
Do you expect Apple to support your DRM also?
2) Apple's DRM isn't Apple's at all - Fairplay is from VeriDisc.
Perhaps Real should talk to VeriDisc about FairPlay DRM instead
of using Helix or blaming Apple.
3) When you go to Real's Rhapsody online music store using a
Mac it prominently says 'RealRhapsody music service is not
available for Macintosh users.'. Perhaps Real should support Mac
users before asking Apple to support them.
4) The iPod doesn't use DRM. The DRM is built into iTunes so
that you can only copy DRMd files to you iPod provided it's from
an authorised computer. Real should do their homework before
********.
1) They announced they were using AAC themselves for their
future services but with their own proprietary, Helix DRM added.
Do you expect Apple to support your DRM also?
2) Apple's DRM isn't Apple's at all - Fairplay is from VeriDisc.
Perhaps Real should talk to VeriDisc about FairPlay DRM instead
of using Helix or blaming Apple.
3) When you go to Real's Rhapsody online music store using a
Mac it prominently says 'RealRhapsody music service is not
available for Macintosh users.'. Perhaps Real should support Mac
users before asking Apple to support them.
4) The iPod doesn't use DRM. The DRM is built into iTunes so
that you can only copy DRMd files to you iPod provided it's from
an authorised computer. Real should do their homework before
********.
Real say they're going to lose market share?? If someone is
really butt-hurt about having to buy online music only from
itunes music store then there's dozens of other poorly
designed media players with which they can buy music
from other poorly designed online music stores with their
poorly designed Windows-based PCs.
Real say they're going to lose market share?? If someone is
really butt-hurt about having to buy online music only from
itunes music store then there's dozens of other poorly
designed media players with which they can buy music
from other poorly designed online music stores with their
poorly designed Windows-based PCs.
better. I know people that would believe me if I told them their
computer had a temporal flux capacitor in it with an oscillation
overthruster running at 888GHz.
frankly sad to see them resort to this kind of completely inane
dribble about Apple, the iPod and, oh my God, the Soviet Union.
I like to be the first to announce to Real that they do have a
chance on the online music market. Today. Right now. Here's
how you do it: Instead of waisting eveyone's time complaining
about Apple and the iPod, compete with them, Offer the world a
product that blows the iTunes and the iPod solution away.
Problem is that will never happen. You know it and I know it,
because everyone in your business is too lazy, too stupid, and
lacks any sort of creative inspiration whatsoever to even begin to
take on Apple at that level. And that's precisely what separates
Apple from it's competitors. That's precisely why Apple has
enjoyed 50 million (and counting) downloaded, paid for songs.
That's precisely why Apple's dominant share of legal downloads
will remain just that. Dominant, There is simply no reason for
anyone to look at any solution other that iPod and iTunes, and I
don't see one coming for the foreseeable future. Certainly not
from Real, after reading this article.
By the way AAC comes from Dolby labs, not Apple. Apple uses it
under license. So could anyone else. Even Microsoft. Along with
fair play, AAC sounds great, and you own the songs you buy.
Along with iTunes and iPod, what does anyone else offer that
invites even a cursory look?
Maybe Real should start selling CD's online. How about that?
frankly sad to see them resort to this kind of completely inane
dribble about Apple, the iPod and, oh my God, the Soviet Union.
I like to be the first to announce to Real that they do have a
chance on the online music market. Today. Right now. Here's
how you do it: Instead of waisting eveyone's time complaining
about Apple and the iPod, compete with them, Offer the world a
product that blows the iTunes and the iPod solution away.
Problem is that will never happen. You know it and I know it,
because everyone in your business is too lazy, too stupid, and
lacks any sort of creative inspiration whatsoever to even begin to
take on Apple at that level. And that's precisely what separates
Apple from it's competitors. That's precisely why Apple has
enjoyed 50 million (and counting) downloaded, paid for songs.
That's precisely why Apple's dominant share of legal downloads
will remain just that. Dominant, There is simply no reason for
anyone to look at any solution other that iPod and iTunes, and I
don't see one coming for the foreseeable future. Certainly not
from Real, after reading this article.
By the way AAC comes from Dolby labs, not Apple. Apple uses it
under license. So could anyone else. Even Microsoft. Along with
fair play, AAC sounds great, and you own the songs you buy.
Along with iTunes and iPod, what does anyone else offer that
invites even a cursory look?
Maybe Real should start selling CD's online. How about that?
Even if you can buy CDs and convert them to MP3s or purchase
MP3s elsewhere, there will still be ignorant people that only hear
the FUD second hand from people who regurgitate it without
question. Some people do not even realize there are alternative
operating systems and only hear about windoze their whole life.
Even if you can buy CDs and convert them to MP3s or purchase
MP3s elsewhere, there will still be ignorant people that only hear
the FUD second hand from people who regurgitate it without
question. Some people do not even realize there are alternative
operating systems and only hear about windoze their whole life.
anything, is only played on real players ... Apple's AAC and MP3
is widely supported on any platform. Why doesn't he just tell us
that he is pissed off and jealous to see the well designed Apple
product taking the market on the fly. Unfortunately most PC
users can not distiguish between trash and well designed stuff ...
anything, is only played on real players ... Apple's AAC and MP3
is widely supported on any platform. Why doesn't he just tell us
that he is pissed off and jealous to see the well designed Apple
product taking the market on the fly. Unfortunately most PC
users can not distiguish between trash and well designed stuff ...
music for the ipod. I have an ipod and rarely use the Apple
site. How can they print these lies that will mislead people?
Besides Real Audio is way inferior to Quick time
music for the ipod. I have an ipod and rarely use the Apple
site. How can they print these lies that will mislead people?
Besides Real Audio is way inferior to Quick time
Opening up the iPod completely is dangerous. It will allow Microsoft to incorporate a 'free' WMA license which consumers can download, and which it can tie more closely to Windows as it has done with Internet Explorer. (there will be a version that is more secure and blocks pop-ups but it is only available for Windows XP users. Microsoft does not *have* to do it this way, but they do.)
Real is right in the sense that in order to compete with Microsoft effectively, they must make the WMA services seem out-of-place (which they are!). Real has created a jukebox that plays almost anything (strangely enough not .ogg) and is very quick to launch. They also use AAC. It is even of a higher bitrate (192kbps).
They do have songs that iTunes doesn't have because of their Rhapsody independent artist relationship.
If Real has the song I want, why wouldn't I buy from them?
A: the DRM world is so screwed up. That wouldn't stop me.. I am missing my credit card.
I believe that if Real can emphasize that their DRM is better than WMA, and that they will license to anybody, Apple will feel some heat, and consumers will benefit.
Alternatively, if the iPod supports Helix, then we have an AAC-powerhouse in the marketplace. (Walmart has hinted that they may support other formats in a private e-mail to me, as has Mercora publically.)
We can defeat this train. I gaurentee it.
--Sam
Opening up the iPod completely is dangerous. It will allow Microsoft to incorporate a 'free' WMA license which consumers can download, and which it can tie more closely to Windows as it has done with Internet Explorer. (there will be a version that is more secure and blocks pop-ups but it is only available for Windows XP users. Microsoft does not *have* to do it this way, but they do.)
Real is right in the sense that in order to compete with Microsoft effectively, they must make the WMA services seem out-of-place (which they are!). Real has created a jukebox that plays almost anything (strangely enough not .ogg) and is very quick to launch. They also use AAC. It is even of a higher bitrate (192kbps).
They do have songs that iTunes doesn't have because of their Rhapsody independent artist relationship.
If Real has the song I want, why wouldn't I buy from them?
A: the DRM world is so screwed up. That wouldn't stop me.. I am missing my credit card.
I believe that if Real can emphasize that their DRM is better than WMA, and that they will license to anybody, Apple will feel some heat, and consumers will benefit.
Alternatively, if the iPod supports Helix, then we have an AAC-powerhouse in the marketplace. (Walmart has hinted that they may support other formats in a private e-mail to me, as has Mercora publically.)
We can defeat this train. I gaurentee it.
--Sam
John Sandavol.
If you are that person, please let me know what you have been doing for
the last 35 years or so.
Tim & Shyla Crowson
John Sandavol.
If you are that person, please let me know what you have been doing for
the last 35 years or so.
Tim & Shyla Crowson