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Comments on: Pirate Bay says appeal is filed

In a blog post, Pirate Bay operators say the site will live on. Also, they tell those seeking to raise money to help the defendants pay the fines to stop such efforts.

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by monkeyfun14 April 20, 2009 5:48 PM PDT
I personally hope they stay in there I can't stand people who try to argue their case on technicalities.

Mocking people trying to get the listings off the tracker wasn't their best move now they're paying for it.
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by kleeper1 April 20, 2009 9:58 PM PDT
I personally cant stand the word technicallities or anyone who uses it in a sentence. so now i must kill my self you should do the same.
by sanenazok April 21, 2009 6:20 AM PDT
Smug little kiddies got their wrists hit with a ruler. You mean there are repercussions to doing sht in the world, no way. Even in Sweden?
by d3vildog69 April 20, 2009 5:58 PM PDT
Long Live TPB.
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by mikestatic1 April 20, 2009 6:33 PM PDT
Long live the Pirate Bay - Land of the Losers!!
by d3vildog69 April 20, 2009 6:58 PM PDT
Haha good one dude... :/
by mikestatic1 April 20, 2009 6:32 PM PDT
Yes - stay united as losers who can't afford to buy music or movies.

If you can't pay $1 for a song that is yours for the rest of your life, let there be no doubt - you are a LOSER. There is no defense - you are a LOSER.
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by baconstang April 20, 2009 6:35 PM PDT
Radio was made for these people.
by pithenumber April 20, 2009 6:45 PM PDT
so you're calling my half my family who are still in Thailand losers?

there are people who aren't rich out there
and they deserve music too
by baconstang April 20, 2009 7:16 PM PDT
They deserve food, shelter and health care. You can always buy the music and burn them a copy, that's probably considered 'Fair Use".
by El_Segfaulto April 20, 2009 7:41 PM PDT
"Loser" hilarious, let me write that one down. Who needs constructive dialogue huh?
by walterj89 April 20, 2009 7:46 PM PDT
hope you didnt buy anything with DRM. then you would be a looser. you must have one tiny music collection at that rate.
by walterj89 April 20, 2009 7:48 PM PDT
hope you didnt buy anything with DRM. then you would be a looser. you must have one tiny music collection at that rate. also what would you do if your hard drive crashed? buy it all over again? personally i only buy music i still like after a week.
by Sausagebiscuit April 20, 2009 7:53 PM PDT
I hate being a looser. I'd like it better being a tighter.
by tm_anon April 20, 2009 8:16 PM PDT
@baconstang

No, burning a copy isn't considered "Fair Use". As for the food, shelter and health care thing, there's lots of countries where even that is hard to come by, the RIAA and it's equivalents all over the world want those people to pay up too.
by baconstang April 20, 2009 9:14 PM PDT
If they have enough money for a computer and a connection, they have enough to pay for music.
by kleeper1 April 20, 2009 10:01 PM PDT
its not about affording it its about getting a copy where the original remains intact no property has changesd hands and you wasted an hour and a half to relize that if you had actually spent money to see watch that P.O.S. you'd have felt ripped off.
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by rvo42 April 20, 2009 7:21 PM PDT
Guys, this isn't about not having enough money. Seriously. You people do not know their culture, so do not talk about it like you've studied them.
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by Sausagebiscuit April 20, 2009 7:51 PM PDT
Well mikestatic1 has already started his "loser" trolling. Won't be long now before his buddies show up. Where are you ikrupp??? We need more pro-stranglehold control people who hate information to be free posting here.

The only loser here is the mikestatic1's who fill up threads with 30+ posts calling poor innocent people losers. I hope you never sang Happy Birthday, or sung/hummed a song in public.... you just might be a loser.

Back on topic, I am glad for the appeal. Either way of the final outcome, I applaud anyone who stands up for what they believe in, even in the face of world politics. Keep up the good work, alot of the netizens are rooting for you.
by monkeyfun14 April 20, 2009 7:53 PM PDT
Well what if this culture was cutting on your profits?
by Sausagebiscuit April 20, 2009 7:56 PM PDT
monkeyfun14: I'd sue everyone until they bought from me of course. If that didn't work, I'd take their children. That should teach them. Ruling with fear is a sure fire plan to success!
by tm_anon April 20, 2009 8:20 PM PDT
@monkeyfun14

Whose profits are they cutting into again? It's certainly not the profits of the musicians since most of their money comes from touring, it's not the profits of the movie stars since last I heard pretty much all of them are beyond filthy rich who would be speaking out against it, it's not the little guys profits since they work just like anyone else does for a set wage no matter the profits of the movie.

Are you seriously sympathizing with the lawyers here? The ones who would sue you til you're standing naked in a field somewhere because that's all you can afford to do if they found even a single not provably legal song on your hard drive?
by monkeyfun14 April 20, 2009 9:04 PM PDT
So its better to defend criminals?

Copyright infringement is copyright infringement no matter who sues who.
by wolivere April 21, 2009 4:54 AM PDT
Because someone is Rich, or how they are compensated does not = or allow theft. I am sure anyone who breaks the law would like to use the arguement that well they are "beyond filthy rich"

Not all actors are Rich, most are like the rest of us just making a living. And artists do make a % per copy , and royalty fee's. It is one of the reaons a majority of the artists are against this.

This has become the allure of the Broad Band internet age. Almost all media can be downloaded, so people do, they feal that since they can download it they have the right to do so.

Some argue the CD/Tape years, and that is true people did copy but it typically went to friends, and each blank CD/Tape had a fee built into it, knowing that there was a possibility it was going to be used to copy something.

Legal ways to obtain music, movies, and TV episodes exist on the net today. The fee's are not huge, and Music if you like to find something you may possibly like to hear or listen to there is TV, and Radio. And my gosh many of them stream!!!

If you want to watch movies, Netflix and its counterparts are dirt cheap.

The new ERA "Culture" figure everything should be free
by dan6667 April 21, 2009 5:44 PM PDT
HTP. once it is on cable, you can copy the hell out of it anyway. If you really like a movie or song you buy an original anyway.
by walterj89 April 20, 2009 7:42 PM PDT
the pirate bay is a great place to find perfectly legal content as well. It is a search engine 100%. Should Google see fines for every illegal site it links to?

What better way to watch a movie that you don't know will be good or not. then go buy it if you like it. Sharing music has been around forever and is still legal in Canada. go buy the album if you like it. And how about software that normal people would never be able to afford yet want to use it for educational or personal projects. Sure if you love it buy it but if you don't delete it and stop seeding.

Photoshop is a popular one that many people i know have pirated copies of. they could never afford the program itself and would probably limit them to Microsoft paint otherwise. Wouldn't that be sad to limit an artist to paint just because he cant afford the program. but when he does have money he will buy it.


sure we could argue pirating is bad and yes it is. but whats the point of targeting a SEARCH ENGINE. go after the crackers if you can.
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by Sausagebiscuit April 20, 2009 7:54 PM PDT
I am not against you here, but I should suggest some open sources or free alternatives here. GIMP (multi platform) or even Paint.NET. I don't work or write code for them, just the first two names that come to mind.
by monkeyfun14 April 20, 2009 7:57 PM PDT
If they simply adopted a policy like mininova on removing torrents with documentation there wouldn't of been that many removed and everything would of been fine.
by kelmon April 21, 2009 1:24 AM PDT
I'm sorry but anyone arguing in favour of The Pirate Bay needs a smack around the head. Are they doing the same thing as Google? No - they actively solicit copyrighted material and write mocking letters when you ask them to remove the links (Google will remove the link). Should Google be fined for linking to copyrighted material? Yes, they probably should if they can detect copyrighted video on YouTube. Does The Pirate Bay offer legal content? Yes, but you can hardly argue that the presence of legal material means that it is OK for the site to offer illegal content.

If you are not sure if you will like something, rent it first. This is not exactly a new concept...

Photoshop is not the only art application as advocates of GIMP (free) will testify - if you can't afford something then, just as with anything else in life, you either wait until you can or you find a cheaper alternative.

Targeting the search engine is a good idea since it is how most users of illegal content gain access to that content. It's comparatively cheap to target and has a significant impact, as long as you can keep up prosecutions against other such sites so that people eventually decide that the risk isn't worth the reward.
by kathyzjim April 20, 2009 7:48 PM PDT
A lot of hype about TPB being justifiably found guilty, on the basis of TPB being a facilitator.
Using this analogy, every auto maker whose product is used as transportation by someone committing a crime, is subect to prosecution as a facilitator. Also, every State or Federal highway department that builds and maintains roads or highways, is also subject to prosecution as a facilitator to criminal activity.
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by monkeyfun14 April 20, 2009 7:57 PM PDT
TPB was created for piracy though...
These other things weren't your logic is flawed.
by baconstang April 20, 2009 7:58 PM PDT
And guns don't kill people, bullets do. Guns just point them in the right (or wrong) direction.
by monkeyfun14 April 20, 2009 8:15 PM PDT
I honestly can't believe you guys are defending criminals based on technicalitys.

You know what well they weren't technically hosted on the server screams? Lack of a defense they weren't charged for the torrents they were charged for promoting illegal activity.

Sorry someone got in the way in your program theft.
by El_Segfaulto April 20, 2009 8:43 PM PDT
Your argument is fallacious. While they are criminals in the technical sense, the law they are breaking is unjust. I sing in the shower, I record TV shows when I can't watch them, I discuss NFL games with implied oral consent instead of express written consent. All of those things make me a criminal as well. Don't tell anybody, but this morning on my way to work I went 37 in a 35 zone. Shhhh...
by xcal78 April 21, 2009 6:22 AM PDT
"And guns don't kill people, bullets do. Guns just point them in the right (or wrong) direction."

No people kill. Without a person to hold the gun, load the gun with the bullets, aim the gun, and pull the trigger a bullet and a gun are both harmless.
by baconstang April 22, 2009 9:44 AM PDT
Which is why the people are going to jail, not their servers.
by Daryl Watson April 20, 2009 8:37 PM PDT
Maybe they should have called it something catchy, like 'The Search Engine Bay'.
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by April 20, 2009 9:32 PM PDT
Dell computers is at fault, thats where I bought the computer I used to "steal" music on Pirate Bay. I used Google to find the Pirate Bay, my god it's a conspiracy.
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by n0v0cane April 20, 2009 10:03 PM PDT
Google even offers the same functionality -- a torrent specific search. http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=003849996876419856805:erhhdbygrma If the RIAA were consisteny, they'd go after google.
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by kelmon April 21, 2009 1:27 AM PDT
What makes you think that they won't? Once they have secured a conviction against one site (i.e. set a legal precedent) then future actions can proceed against other sites with a higher confidence of a successful outcome. I don't see any reason why Google would not be targeted and then maybe this silly argument against the prosecution of The Pirate Bay will go away.
by wolivere April 21, 2009 4:56 AM PDT
I believe the difference is, Google links you to sites that have the Trackers, TPB hosts the trackers. Google does not. This was one of the sticking points.
by longerduckdong April 21, 2009 5:00 AM PDT
Now that the RIAA has a precedent with the win against Pirate Bay they can use the threat of legal action against other search engines to get them to filter out torrent activity, this is just the beginning.
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by codynews April 21, 2009 6:03 AM PDT
And they're still being cocky (TPB operators)!

I'm so happy that they're going to see some jail time. Damn punks.

Cody
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by this1! April 21, 2009 7:38 AM PDT
uhm, i dont believe they will, they're based in sweden, not sure who's gonna enforce their jail time...
by Assais April 21, 2009 10:37 AM PDT
Hey, who says Pirate Bay is only for music? Quite the opposite, the majority of their user DO NOT download music, we download games, videos and software. There are much better sources for downloading music out there. If you think Pirate Bay is for music only, then you're the LOSER.



[CNET editors' note: Personal attack deleted.]
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by monkeyfun14 April 21, 2009 1:57 PM PDT
Downloading cracked programs is still copyright infringement.
by marnie45 April 21, 2009 11:39 AM PDT
The Pirate Bay verdict says it all about how GREEDY they are, paying silly money to stars that to be honest, most arent worth a penny. Instead of targeting the likes of Pirate Bay, why dont the regulators CLOSE the child porn websites? We here stories everyday about nonses, but it seems little action is taken to close these sites. Get a list of the credit card numbers of the people that have paid for sick, disgusting images and videos of helpless kids and send them to jail and the people that create these sites. These are the real bad guys not Pirate Bay, its only the fat cats in the money making industry that are the villains ripping us all off for music and films. Long live P2P and jail the sick nonses.
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by monkeyfun14 April 21, 2009 1:57 PM PDT
Uhm they do close child porn websites?
by DB_Kahuna April 23, 2009 5:19 AM PDT
Who's the loser ? The guy who spends $1 (£0.70p) on an iTunes song. Or the guy who spends nothing and gets the whole album for nothing and still has that money.

The only people who lose out on this is the music, film, television and software industries but if they had made their products more accessible to the masses and done business properly. Instead of herding people into cinemas and charging extortionate amounts of money for what is essentially a sequence of binary that makes up a song.

The reason the industry is scared of these guys and is singling them out is because they are powerful and not under their control. Copyright means nobody can copy it and say it is theirs to make gains however these guys are just making it accessible for free.

Bigger men have tried to take down the pirate bay and it's still there. LONG LIVE TPB
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by trainingwheels April 23, 2009 9:00 AM PDT
As a radio station employee I have experience with RIAA, BMI, etc. THEY are the pirates. Our radio station is strangled by high fees for music play (through our land transmitter) and high fees for our web stream. We pay them, yet we help them promote and sell cd's and I-tunes downloads, RIAA still demands more, and more. RIAA does not deserve any sympathy.
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by MayCai April 26, 2009 7:19 PM PDT
Why use converter tool solve the peoblem?
There are kind of converter too,which can remove DRM Protection from iTunes, Napster, Pandora, Spiral Frog and other online store,you can put removing drm video on digital media player: iPod,iPhone, Creative ZEN, Zune, PSP and other MP3/MP4 players.

In fact, I get these info from one article,it detail how to remove drm from video
share:
http://www.removing-drm.com/drm-tips/remove-drm-from-protected-music.html#146
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by kwilsonjr May 1, 2009 5:40 PM PDT
The music industry is making money hand over fist in spite of themselves. Music downloads have created a resurgence in music sales. From ringtones to iTunes, downloading music has saved the music industry from themselves.

They fought legal music downloading at every turn, claiming it would bankrupt the industry. Now, revenue from music downloads has surpassed revenue from CD sales. They are have no idea what they are doing, and going after a search engine, who does not physically host the content is just ridiculous.

Let them have this one and you could be next. You have a computer connected to the internet? You are facilitating the downloading of illegal content. Sound absurd? You bet it does. But rights are taken away in tiny, tiny increments my friend. Then one day you wake up and tobacco is illegal, you can only use cell phones in a private residence, they tax you for every web page you view, and a special license (and fee) is required to operate a computer.

Yes folks. It happens in tiny, tiny increments...if you let it happen.
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by WAlexanderP October 15, 2009 4:54 PM PDT
by monkeyfun14 April 20, 2009 9:04 PM PDT
So its better to defend criminals?

Copyright infringement is copyright infringement no matter who sues who.

You F*cking tool
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