Comments on: Some bumps on the road to Vista

Although there have been no reports of major problems, some people have encountered obstacles in moving to the new Windows.

[inachu]

this should not be the consumers concern.

Why the heck didn't these companies contact Microsoft and make their product work with VISTA on time?!?!!?!? NVIDIA still in beta.

I refuse to even try ATI.
The top 3 drivers that should have ben stable are:
Hard drive drivers
Video drivers
Wireless drivers

[GreyClaw]

It's Hard to believe that such inane comments

...can come from (supposedly) intelligent people.

"...I'm a long-time WIN user n' I tried to install Vista and couldn't so I went and spent EVEN more money on a Mac (machine and software)"

"Vista is just a clone of OS X"

That's the type of bull$#%t reasoning that is on the level of to 5year olds arguing over whose Hot Wheels are cooler...

Where have you people been for the last thirteen years?

Change is difficult, drastic change is MORE difficult. Duh!
When Win95 landed, you heard of similar problems and complaints, and with Win2000, and with XP.

Somewhere along the way, my meager intellect clued me into the fact that maybe, just maybe I should NOT rush out and spend hard earned money (even if it was just $1) on untested product THE DAY IT COMES OUT, because there might be some unforseen issues. Maybe to preserve my sanity, (and not waste my money) I'll wait a bit and let some of the issues be ironed out. After all the software isn't going anywhere, more and more developers will have the time to retrofit/rebuild their products correctly and without the rush, and any necessary parts I might need will gradually get cheaper. It's a win-win-win (pun not intended) situation for me.

Put another way, why pack my stuff and move out of a perfectly fine, fairly well maintained building to move into the one next that still has scaffolding and unfinished walls and uitilities just cuz the building's new and promises to be cutting edge?

Funny thing about the phrase "cutting edge"... It's bandied about for all sorts of thing but people tend to forget the implication of it. Ride the cutting edge wrong, and you will bleed...

Sorry, but M$ didn't threaten anyone with death if they buy Vista, and if the "edge" turned on you and you are gushing right now, 55% of the blame lies with you.

I (as many other people) have spent a great deal of time understanding and mastering XP. My PC screams along, happily tackling every heavy task I throw at and sneers "is that all you got?" and apart from some issues with the new MSN Messenger and Quicktime 7, hasn't crashed since I built it. I ran the Upgrade Advisor just for giggles on my PC and was informed that my Audigy 2ZS sound card and GeForce 7 graphics card didn't make the cut, and I thought, "another reason to wait awhile." Common sense. I also haven't caught a PC virus since I switched from Win98. Why? Again, common sense. A PC is a dumb machine that is dependent on the superior computer--the user's brain--to keep it running properly.

If any of that escaped you, you bought Vista already, you got burned and NOW you are "going Mac"--not because they are superior (they aren't) but out of spite? Go ahead. The rest of the thinkers will carry on without you just fine.

As for all the morons trumpeting the "Windows it copying blah-blah blah... What do you expect to happen? Whoever is first gets imitated. Plus
it is the hardware that drives things like the Aqua/Aero implementation. I doubt the techs and designers of both companies sit in a vault cooking up these things from scratch. They all go to the same symposiums and meet with the same hardware people and see the same tech demos get, lobbied by some of the same venders get inspirations from the same media, and go "Aha! I think this would be cool!" and then the race is on to see who can bring it to market first.

What? Because Apple won that particular race, 20 years from now every other OS maker should be stuck with an XP like interface? Don't be stupid.
I remember all the "Macs are faster, ...more powerful than PCs", crap from the past, then Apple slinking over to suckle the same intel teet as almost every over PC maker and then claiming the same performance 'increases' that PC owners had known all along.
If you are going to be "revolutionary" expect to be copied. So then it is your responsibility to patent what you can, get the product to the widest audience possible(Apple did this with iPods), watch what twist your imitators come up with that are worthwhile and update your product where you can, and of course try to have something better waiting in the wings.

[helgers7]

You're right it is hard to believe

It's hard to believe that some people take it to such extremes.
This insane competition about which is better, well guess what,
nobody cares. I'm a Mac user and have been all my life. Now,
thats not to say that I don't use Windows. In fact, I have XP
installed on my MBP because I'm an Engineering student and I
need to run a few programs that aren't available for OSX.
However, I don't suffer under the delusion that Windows is in
any way superior to OSX, it's not. Now I haven't used Vista yet,
but I've kept a close eye on it to see what would develop, and it
is a good looking interface no doubt, but the fact of the matter
is that many of its "new" features are ones that have been
available on a mac for years. Now it does make sense to copy
such a successful interface like OSX, but they don't need to deny
it. As far as the idea that apple "slinking over to suckle the same
intel teet as almost every over PC maker and then claiming the
same performance 'increases' that PC owners", you take a
pentium 4 and run it against a G5, which I remind you were from
the same time period, and see which one comes out on top. In
addition to that, this supposed massive price difference is
completely untrue. You couldn't a PC that is truely comparably
equiped for much cheaper, and, for that matter, I read a story on
the fact that the Mac Pro is actually cheaper than a Dell of the
same caliber. My point is, there's a reason that every graphic
desinger or editor uses a mac, because they understand that it is
a more powerful system for working on graphics and most other
things for that matter. So get over yourself, you clearly don't
know everything, and neither do I, but one thing I do know is
that while I have never once got a virus on OSX, it took me all of
two days to get one on my Windows partition. Maybe you
people should think about that when you say OSX isn't more
secure.

[dansterpower]

See my Sad Post Below

Sadly, you are the mistaken one.

[ArtG1248]

"I wish I bought a Mac."

The same people since 1985 have been beating Windows with their complaints (if they were born then) and moaning that that "they should have bought an Mac."
I wish the two goofs in this article would and go away to Happy Mac World where everyting is roses and they have nothing to complain about. Right? They would be much happier people. No? You say not.... couldn't earn a living complaining about Macs? Oh, that's right, Apple is now making PCs too. Do they have Windows on them?

[flashfast]

Truth Hurts

As a windows user of 7 years who finally swtiched to mac, all I
can say is that apple is doing a public service pointing out their
pride in their product. Would you have them praise how
wonderful the windows experience is after they've used a mac?
It's like promoting the joy of herpes is to the local parish
congregation - I'm just surprised that there are people still
believing it.

[spgoodman]

Irresponsible Pundits...

Lord knows there's a ton of them in every corner of the planet. But I expect better than this from c/net...

"an analyst ... doesn't expect a lot of major bugs right out of the gate for Vista, but said that smaller hurdles like incompatible software or missing hardware drivers can still make the move unpleasant."

He states something so mundane as to be nearly matter-of-fact to the world outside this interview, but laces it with anti-MS Lite with a slight swipe about 'incompatible software'. Examples of such are usually good reading at least. When was the last time one had this problem on a new Windows update-install that was done correctly?

The bit about drivers must have been just to fill space in the article. It's general knowledge these days amongst anyone who does a Build that you have your current-as-possible drivers present before opening the OS box.

What was the purpose of this article besides tossing small chunks of poo?

[GrahamSivill]

Mac Users Running Scared Now!

The Apple fanboys must be running scared, judging by the amount of anti Windows stuff on Apple's site and all this rubbish here.

[flashfast]

Rubbish

Show me a mac user who is going to switch to Vista and I'll show
you my flying pig!

[thedreaming]

No different than last time

When XP launched, basically the same thing happened. Alot of people had no problems, some had a little trouble some had alot of problems and some very few had full blown nightmares. It will pass and we'll accept Vista just like we accepted XP.

[erichmercado]

No different than last time

Exactly.. It's a new operating system and it's bound for some snitches and it will be corrected eventually.

[msthenetworker]

Almost like last time

As for iTunes issues, I don't remember if they did it with XP or not, but Vista has been available for years now. 2 Release candidates that anyone can get, and available to Volume license agreement holders for months now. Why didn't Apple try to put their software on the OS and see if it works.

You are right about this being accepted though, remember when "Plug and Play" was rightfully called "Plug and Pray", and real techies tried to buy devices with jumpers. there is always problems when you dump millions of users on any system.

- Mike Scott
http://msthenetworker.blogspot.com

[Bob H in NPR]

upgrade to 64 bit?

..I paid for the upgrade already - now you are telling me I must pay for it again? Thank you, Monopoly-soft.

[richto]

Only pay for the disks

You only have to pay for the media. The license upgrade is free.

[richto]

Only pay for the disks

You only have to pay for the media. The license upgrade is free.

[Llib Setag]

Quality is job 1...NOT!

Didn't Citizen Gates, Big Brother Ballmer & now retired Vista OS Chief Jim Alchin say the reason for all the previous delays, delays, delays was because "Microsoft is about quality & we will not release Vista OS until it is a quality finished product..."

Astalvista soup was not quite ready to serve my friends...

[Andisar]

The number of Bumps are proportional to your install base

You must be a Windows, Gates, Balmer hater. Show me anyone who has launched a product to this many customers at once and had 100% of their users with no issue what-so-ever. I am betting you can't find one. Not even the oh-so-perfect Mac.

[jazzz_man]

Amen Brother more CNET MS Bashing..

It's in vogue to bash Microsoft, and as you mentioned, gets the press. The only different between you & I is I don't expect better from CNET. They've been on the bashing bandwagon for quite some time.
Microsoft can't win no matter what they do, and that's a fact. Security no good. Oops, OS too chatty. Need more power - oops, don't what to upgrade my three year old $500 piece of crap. "With Vista coming nearly five years after XP, Microsoft has had plenty of time to try to get computer makers and the software industry ready for the new operating system" Doh. And now it Microsoft's responsibility to GET these idiots to upgrade their code?! Your **** doesn't run on Vista - try asking your hardware/software provider. They had ages to get on board.

Yes, this article is poo and so are the ignorant bashers. You want your diaper changed? Yes - buy a MAC.

[dirk goedseels]

another switcher

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?
command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9010759&intsrc=hm_ts_hea
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[jazzz_man]

Computerworld..

Another maagazine with a fervent pro-Microsoft bias. NOT.

[bluemist9999]

I don't believe the problems are an issue

As long as people buy Vista, their wallets speak louder than their griping. There are many desktop alternatives such as Mac OS X or Ubuntu. I feel there will be significant change only when enough people show their unhappiness by moving to alternative OSes.

Also, I feel people who use Windows should stay with Windows XP since it is much easier on system requirements than Vista seems to be (I haven't run it yet, so I could be totally wrong here).

[shadowca1964]

Switch

First and foremost, while most testing sites tell me my computer can be upgraded to Vista, I am not going to jump on the Vista Bandwagon as of yet. First, I have no problems with Win XP Pro and Microsoft will continue to support it for a while yet. Secondly, VIsta is just too new. There are hardware and software compatabilites that need to be addressed before I will upgrade. In that regard I guess I will have to wait until the software and hardware providers have Vista ready applications as final ( not beta) fixes. In addition, I will wait until Vista is in SP1 or SP2 (hopefully by this time all the minor bugs). WIth theses facts in mind I guess I will not be changing any time soon

[richto]

So why...

So why does Windows server always outperform Linux on the same hardware then - especially in file serving and file intensive applications?

Strangely enough Windows servers most massive performance advantage over Linux is in serving NFS!

[siucdude]

Lazy is what I call it.

I have been thinking of a upgrade but Vista lost me!
See I don't see this as anything else but lazy people! You prefer if someone just gave you everything, and told you what to do and what not to do. That to me is MS with its DNR tech. See I agree that Vista is buggy and that is because its new. But for a company to tell you what you can and can't do, now that is crazy. I see it as I call it, nobody wants change, see let me compare this to Bush, everyone thinks that he is doing a horrible job, but nobody is doing anything about it just like MS everyone thinks that they are doing a horrible job with the system and nobody is willing to do anything about it. You just sit in front of your computer and say to your self "a fix will come" but at what cost? When your Files get hacked, when your bank records get hacked, when your computer locks you out(DNR)and you lose everything.

I say seek other alternatives. Big brother is telling you what to do and you take it like a little >>>>>!

Have a great day. Enjoy

[js33]

DNR? I think you meant DRM

I think you meant DRM rather than DNR. Every MS OS upgrade is a nightmare at the beginning. I won't even consider Vista until SP1 and even by then not all the problems will be fixed.

[ul_h]

No firewire networking

Here's a real annoying bump, no firewire networking support in Vista. What were they thinking? XP and Mac OS have it. Its a great way to transfer data between two systems.

[dirk goedseels]

vista not playing nice with gamers

http://computerworld.com/action/article.do?
command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9011078&intsrc=hm_list

[H Voyager]

Depends entirely on the types of games you play

For example, I have yet to see a good combat flight sim come out for any console, ever, and you certainly aren't going to see one with a fully configurable three point HOTAS rig.

[fishellr]

BUMPS?????

I am not one of the 1000 top software producers; I am just one lonely support programmer sitting at his desk, trying to figure out why my legacy application does not run - for me, or for the 1200 users I support. Fortunately, only two of them have bought Vista so far, but the complaints will increase exponentially as more users convert.

Here's the catch: Microsoft has abandoned every version of Visual Studio prior to 2005. I am sitting here with this old COM app that's maintained with Visual C++ 6.0. You can't even load this on a Vista machine.

We are going to have to issue a bulletin on our users' website warning about incompatibility with Vista. They are not gonna like it. My advise to anyone with similar problems, though, is to take it back to wherever you bought it and demand an exchange or a refund.

[dctech777]

Vista - The field tech perspective

Here are some of the experiences I've had with Vista. If you're thinking about using it yourself you might find these a good guide to impressions and problems with it:

Quickbooks Pro 2007: 3rd times the charm. Crashed during installation twice, but finally took the third time.

Network Performance: File copying produced less than 500KB / sec to our Windows 2003 file server. That's on a brand new DELL XPS 410. The 'old' XP workhorses around here can push 4-6MB / sec to the server without breaking a sweat.

Confirmation Hades: Every action is two step. Want to install? Are you sure? Are you sure you're sure? Want to setup a new user? Are you sure? Are you sure you're sure? You get the idea.

Remote Control: Doesn't support popular web based control. Remote Desktop Assistant also fails to execute. Same network, same client, but the destination is running Windows XP... no problem. You do the math.

Built on straw: Hour and a half into operation doing web browsing, installing quickbooks, and copying files. Five program crashes, two so severe they require a hard shut down and restart.

Task Switching 3d: Blurry windows for my aging eyes are a poor substitute for just tiling windows. The '3d' effect of task switching ends up just resulting in a illegible impression of the windows you have open