Comments on: Study: Vista could create 50,000 jobs in Europe

Next version of Windows will create a cascade of benefits for local European economies, says Microsoft-sponsored study.

[The_Nirvana]

50,000 jobs along with 5,000,000 sleepless nights...

for users and admins when their Vista boxes start behaving funny. Nice try Microsoft -;).

[aabcdefghij987654321]

what about TCO?

This can only make TCO higher.

[stevejobless]

TCO arguement shakey

Looks like their TCO argument is being disproved by another agenda

[rklrkl]

Vista is expensive and needs new hardware...

Was this even worth mentioning on news.com? Let me see - a biased survey (sponsored by Microsoft, so any claims of independence are dead in the water) says that Vista - which is under the magnifying glass of the EU at the moment - might create 50,000 jobs.

Well, Vista is bloatware requiring either hardware upgrades (more components sold = jobs!) or a replacement PC (more PCs sold = jobs!). Never mind all the extra accountants Microsoft will need to employ to count the insane profits they'll rake in for the overpriced OS itself.

Sadly, all Microsoft has to do is make sure that European PC OEMs are pressured into installing Vista by default on new PCs (e.g. threats to OEM volume discounts if they install no OS or an alternative OS) and the money will roll on.

Sadly, no major OEM has the guts to give their customers a choice of no OS, a non-MS OS (e.g. some Linux distro) or Windows on a typical desktop machine, so Windows just gets pushed out there *not* because it's the best OS, but because Microsoft has an entrenched monopoly position and vice-like grip on OEMs, who are scared witless of losing their discounts!

[rmiecznik]

Agreed

I would agree, since last year 80% of 10.5$ billion is revenue came from OEMs.

[chuck_whealton]

Re: VISTA is expensive and needs new hardware...

I'd have to agree with you. How Microsoft has been allowed to pressure OEMs all these years and not get hammered by a multitude of governments is beyond me.

I mean I'm sorry. I feel Microsoft has some decent technology and some good points, but it shouldn't be forced down everybody's throats.

The fact that it requires new hardware certainly isn't something I'd brag about, either.

Charles R. Whealton
Charles Whealton @ pleasedontspam.com

[qwerty75]

Ha!

Vista sucks so bad 50,000 more people are required to make sure it doesn't totally ruin everything.

MS software engineering at its finest.

[heystoopid]

Deck Chairs on the Titanic

Like all corporate pro studies, it makes great wallpaper or window dressing, and is designed for the average 75 IQ computer intelligence level of most corporate boards and makes for moving deck around the deck of the Titanic.

The so called new jobs, are merely the existing ones reassigned, and glosses over the massive equipment and software upgrades costs etc!

But then again who really cares?, when the largest installed software desktop base is still actually Windows 2000!

Choices, to do or not to do, that be the question?

[Captain_Spock]

NOT ONLY COULD "VISTA"....

... "create 50,000 jobs in Europe"; but, it could augment the use of state-of-the-art computing "analytical" tools to aid Europe (to travel at WARP SPEED) in remaining competitive against emerging countries such as China and Japan in the aerospace (AIRBUS, SUPERSONIC TRANSPORT...)and other industries. Which DUMMIES need VISTA anyway when the WEB "SERVICES" are the OPERATING SYSTEMS, APPLICATIONS and PROTOCOLS all assembled together for DECISION_MAKING! GEEEEE....ZZZZZZ.. GO INDIA AND CHINA, GO!

[rmiecznik]

50,000 hahahahahaha

Hahahahahahahahah

COught, cought, hahahahahahaha

MS just wants the EU to think that so they
pass Vista, and Rome maybe blsses it, I sincerely doubt there will be that many job created, this is FUD.

[andrewholden]

Hehe

I agree with you. Just wanted to correct you on Rome - the seat of the EU is in Brussels.

[maxwis]

Sounds Like U.S. Prediction Re: NAFTA

Before NAFTA was passed we were told that it was going to be sooooo good for the American economy. Today, we have a trade DEFICIT with Mexico. So I should now believe yet another self-serving study. Sorry, but I gotta go now. I'm signing papers to buy the Brooklyn Bridge.

[Captain_Spock]

HERE IS A DEAL!

Before persons appear to be engaging in guessing games as to whether the Microsoft's sponsored study report that "Vista could create 50,000 jobs in Europe"; why not have independent studies (that could be "taken" to the BANK) by persons not connected with (or have an interest in either) the EU or the Microsoft Corporation. DUH!

[R. U. Sirius]

I Won't be Upgrading

MS has really started to become a joke. Vista is an albatross of a product. I'm still running Win2k, and just don't see any benefit whatsover to going to Vista. In fact, my next move might be to buy one of the intel based macs and install win2k on it.

[kaufmanmoore]

50,000 jobs or 50,000 hours of work?

Lets see we will need people to work overtime to:

Upgrade to rediculous minimum requirements
Deal with bad drivers
Create workarounds for communication issues with other systems
Deal with bugs
Deal with worm to strike within 1st 2 weeks of release
Upgrade software that won't work

I dont see new jobs, just new hassles for IT staff

[Captain_Spock]

OH HECK! THIS IS JUST WHAT I MEANT.

Since you said; "I dont see new jobs, just new hassles for IT staff"; who ever said that the implementation of disruptive real-time collaborative computing in the context of the engineering economies of countries around the world (other than those in the EU) are dependant on decisions from the EU and you wish it to appear as if the rest of the world revolve around Europe. The attitude of some persons conveniently "acting" under the pretext of bouts of "amnesia" should not be an option/excuse/reason as to why a company like IBM moved its billion dollar computing laboratories out of Europe into the Indian Sub-Continent. What was it that imformed the judgement of the decision-makers in relation to the continuation of super-sonic flights around the world by European carriers??? Was it the question of the "economics" or was it not!; or, was it trial and error with Euro dollars involved. Just think in terms of how much EURO DOLLARS could have been saved if disruptive offerings that can come from VISTA and OFFICE were employed in the first instance for the logical "international project evaluation" that needed to be done! Do you know what is involved in carrying out such evaluations and what they will suggest? It is either you do know or you don't!

[Sumatra-Bosch]

Yes, and Hiroshima Created 6 Million New Jobs

. . . and, hey, never forget, that Hurricane Katrina provoked 400,000 housing starts!

Roberto

THE VISTAPOCALYPSE LOOMS!

[objectivist]

Check your facts, dumb ass

Hiroshima deaths have been estimated anywhere between 70K and 200K. You are obviously referring to the Nazi orchestrated extermination of the Jewish people. A) You better check your facts, B) your choice of analogy is extremely offensive, and C) you're an idiot.

[Maguirre79]

Cnet loves Microsoft...

Am i crazy or could Microsoft sh@# on paper and Cnet would
praise a job well done?

[myszak]

It happened...

You might be crazy, but if you are - you need a different symptom, this one doesn't prove it because:
- Microsoft already did;
- CNet reported it as "job well done"....

It happens about twice a year.

[emacsuser]

interesting numbers ..

"The launch of Windows Vista will create more than 50,000 technology jobs in six large European countries"
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At an average salary of UK£30,000 that would mean Vista adding 1.5^52 or roughly UK£1.5 BILLION to the European economy. Thats US$2,823,734,500 DOLLARS. I don't think so.
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"IDC believes that more than half of the gain in Windows-related employment will be specifically related to Windows Vista. It is growth that IDC believes would not occur were Windows Vista not in the market,"
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I fail to see the logic. What will Vista bring to these companies that cannot be already done with Open Source solutions. Since when did an Operating System promote growth in an economy. For most companies its a negative on the balance sheet.
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"Moreover, for every euro of revenue that Microsoft makes, companies within the IT ecosystem will, on average, make more than 13 euros, IDC found"
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Does anyone really believe these numbers. Assuming a third party actually produces a big selling product. For each unit it sells it pays for another license. The revenue of which goes back up the pyramid.
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Someone I know who produces drivers for medical diagnostic equipment tells me the company spends one fifth of its budget annually on software licenses alone. I asked why they don't move to Open Source. He replied that they were so tied to the one platform that it would be too disruptive to move. So here we have a company making vital strategic decisions based on what software vendor they buy from.

[Linux CloudRunner]

That means 50,000 Jobs America doesn' t get

Thats a nice fat outsourcing number. 50,000 jobs that an international criminal monopoly gives to Europe, and not it's home country. Thats 50,000 jobs that America won't get.

[pentium4forever]

Vote Democrat in 2008!

Amen to that. Those jobs need to be in the U.S.! C'mon, our country is losing all the jobs due to outsourcing. Can't wait till '08 when we'll get a chance to put someone in office, hopefully a Democrat that can fix our budget problems. No matter what, Bill Clinton balanced the budget when he was in office. The current president hasn't. He's obsessed with Iraq. Al-Quida and bin Laden are more important in finding and bringing to justice than anything with Iraq. Whoops, this is a bit off topic or starting to get anyhow.

[myszak]

Monopolies are good for you....

It's really interesting how many Microsoft funded "research papers" keep surfacing - all trying to sell various "benefits" of a monopoly, this
one concentrates on the European market; well - Europeans should know how it works, long practice, monopolies - usually state monopolies -
were used there to sell various goodies - from booze to matches; at some point whoever wanted to supply lighters would have to pay the local
match-monopoly to have his lighters "approved", just like the hardware vendors do today with their Windows drivers: they pay Microsoft to have
them "approved" - whatever that means. There was also a time when in Russia it was illegal to throw a drunk out of the bar, as long as he had
his shirt still on - and therefore could pawn it with the bartender to keep drinking and contributing to the well-being of the Russian Empire in the only way he knew how; only the shirtless drunks were - eventually - thrown into a snow bank. This enlightened system did not put undue strain of the upper body frostbite epidemic on the health system for the simple reason that a public health system did not exist in Russia at the time. It's a pity IDC was not around either, because if it was - we would most likely learn how beneficial to Russian economy the system was, how many bar tending jobs it created, how much extra business it driven for the booze distilleries, what were the benefits of second-hand shirt market it created, what were the direct and indirect benefits to doctors, healers, witch doctors and quacks... Unfortunately - without IDC study - we will probably never know...