Comments on: Microsoft sets Vista prices, expands testing

Company says more than 5 million people will test a near-final version of the oft-delayed operating system.

[DryHeatDave]

BFD

Who cares.

[zeeboid]

96% of the market cares.

Seeing as how Windows is the greatest operating system (win you take into account the percent marketshare) 96% of us car what it will cost to get our hands on the newest version.

[Gunady]

I care

With 90+% users around the world, it seems majority will care, although some won't upgrade in near future.

[David Arbogast]

Lots of people care

The world of software development definitely cares - when your customers are running Vista, you can't afford to sit back with an anti-Microsoft attitude and tell your clients that they are making bad decisions. You simply cannot support Vista users if you are clueless about Vista.

[ddesy]

I kinda do....

As much as I prefer Mac OS X to Windows, I like to play with the latest technology. I'd love to see if the claims of much improved performance over Beta 2 hold water.

[cary1]

I do

I already have Windows XP installed and want to upgrade to Home Premium. So an upgrade will be $159.. that's fine with me. Plus maybe I can have a dual boot system.

Generally people can get software at cheaper rates than the price quoted my MS. For example, with an educational discount, I can get Win XP professional upgrade for $59. or I can buy an OEM copy of Windows XP in $120-$140.. and I am expecting same for Vista... but I don't mind paying full price either.

[Sumatra-Bosch]

Accelerating to the Vistapocalypse

Does anyone have any doubt why Gates left when he did, right before the latest and most Wall-St-watched release of Windows ever? Hackers will tear this puppy to shreds the moment it hits the streets. No company will go near this thing for a decade with the brigades of PC-ripping hackers programming for organizing crime gangs now the job. Gates will be at the Burgermaster in retired splendor while the company implodes.

Gates is smart. That scenario is something no other operating system ever had to contend with. What's worse is that MS knows about the threat and it will take a breathing corporate counsel about 30 seconds to formulate a theory that MS is liable for shipping a dangerous operating system that allowed a company's secrets to be stolen or a bank's customers to be robbed to the last penny.

Imagine, amidst the maelstrom of the Vistapocalypse, MS buckling to its knees as swarm upon swarm of corporate attorneys crawl up its quaking belly and sink their teeth into its neck.

[Lolo Gecko]

$399 ...

is that $HK or $CAN?

[msims]

Its USD

That figure is in USD.
Its way too exspensive for my blood. :(

[benjiernmd]

ha ha ha ha

Baka Mindanao Dollars!

[ultrasource]

I care a little bit.

But I work in the IT field. Most people I talk to could care less about gadgets and fancy eye candy that will inevitably show the age of their pc. But I guess that's the point. Pricing for "Ultimate" still seems a bit ridiculous. Depends on how you look at it, though.

[Grzegorz_Z]

No upgrades from Win98/Me ?

Thats kinda s**k ! :-/

[hughesonthenet]

Why Would They?

While I have no hard data, I'd say that it's safe to assume that most machines currently running Win98/ME would be older and much less capable of running Vista well.

[qwerty75]

Big Deal

$99 dollars + for an imatation OS loaded with massive security issues. Right now, you can get every feature(excluding the security problems), done better, for free. So when is MS going to leave the 80's behind and offer a self-defragging file system? lol

Why am I(and most of the world) not excited?

This will be a huge flop. People are getting wise to the BS that MS shovels.

[Hardrada]

Yes- it will flop. Not the first time

Anyone remember Windows ME?

[Tanjore]

Most don't need vista ultimate

Only people who may need vista ultimate coule be developers/business users who wants to work with multimedia.

Most home users are fine with home premium if their machines support graphics!!! and the cost is couple of dollars more than xp professional edition. They should be fine with windows vista home if the graphics does not support premium edition.

However, most people would buy vista when they buy new machines!!!

[xfloaterx]

Vista

The current Market trend is pointing to Media Center PC's. People are tired of paying monthly for TIVO and DVR. Windows Ultimate Edition (with Media Center) takes care of all this. Plus none of you people are taking into account that these prices are ALL RETAIL PRICES. Windows XP Professional retails (full version) for $399.00. I currently as a OEM (PC Manufacturer) can sell the OEM Version for $140.00 Vista OEM prices have not been released. The estimated cost of Vista Ultimate Edition on a new PC is no more than XP Pro.

[Tanjore]

Assuming microsoft delivers next OS in 5 yrs!!!

Assuming microsoft delivers next generation OS in 5 yrs!!

$20/yr for vista home upgrade is no big deal.

$40/yr for vista home premium upgrade is no big deal if you really want the functionality.

$54/yr for vista ultimate!!! coule be steep but $54/yr is not bad if you really need the functionality!!!

NOTE: Vista cost would make sense only if it truly provides good secure stable platform and users don't have to spend couple of hundred dollars to protect the machine from virus etc!!!

Who knows!!!

[dennis_the_bug]

time to switch to mac/linux

I would rather switch to Mac. and Linux. $299 + H/w cost is too much.

[SeizeCTRL]

blah!

Please let me know when Mac / Linux becomes a viable gaming OS and I might consider it. Bootcamp / Wine does not count.

[superman9956]

jerk

who would switch to a mac or lunix there suck

[chuck_whealton]

Re: Time to switch to Mac/Linux

I'd have to agree. I'm using a Mac right now and it's a great
system.

If Microsoft is going to (continue to) up the price of software
that much, then you might as well get a decent system for the
combined hardware/software price, for example, a Mac Mini
with OS/X and OpenOffice. Grant it, it's not Microsoft Office, but
for most people, it'll get the job done.

Charles R. Whealton
Charles Whealton @ pleasedontspam.com

[replaysMike]

$399 - Is that in Yen?

I'd like to mark this whole article as offensive! That's pretty expensive for an o/s, and as most of you should know, most people will want Ultimate just like they need Professional, because it's the one with the most features. I can tell you as a developer, and as a business, that $399 is too expensive for an o/s and we will be sure to hold onto XP Pro for quite a while (probably until we decide to move to KDE/XWindows). With all that has been cut from Vista's features you'd think they would have lowered the price. I see Windows Update subscription services in the near future.

[Xalorous]

actually

All the home user will need is Home Premium. The Ultimate edition will have a bunch of stuff aimed at business users that home users don't need. (How many home users need to join a domain?)

[Europodboy]

Vista a Con

Why don't all you potential Vista using guys feel conned? I mean
6 versions of the same operating system depending on how
much you want to shell out?? - Come on, you've got to feel
ripped off. There is ONE current version of Mac OSX 'Tiger'. For
$129 you get the FULL version of OSX 'Tiger' (aka Vista Ultimate
- $399) or for $199 you get a 'family' pack which allows you to
install Tiger on up to 5 Macs. Jeez don't these MS leeches have
enough money already?

[SystemsJunky]

Actually If you bought a mac in 01 or 02

then you payed more like 700 bucks... plus your hardware...

[jasmoto]

OSX costs!

You obviously have not paid for OS X 10.0.0 through all its versions to the current one. Nor have you put up with OS X 10.0 -> 10.2. Apple released what I'd call Alpha and Beta versions and charged us for it!

How much do Apple change for each 10.x release? and they've been doing it every year on average, never again will I give money to Apple.

As a PC (& sometime Amiga) user for 20years+, had a Mac conversion when OS X betas were kicking around, did the whole OS9 -> OSX 10.0.0 through to 10.4.2, then went back to Windows on XP SP2 and now running Vista RC1. I'll never return to Apple, they're way too expensive for my taste and strangely enough in the 18mths since switching back I've never a crash or a BSOD.

I've seen kernel panics in OSX (Dual 2ghz G5, collecting dust). YMMV.

[djps55]

windows vista

i am using windows vista beta 2(build 5384)this a great program as long as you are willing to grin and bear it,alot of software will not work,so you will have to wait for driver and software updates,i feel it is worth the wait.vista is going to be worth every cent spent.just wait and be patient.

[gairvine]

why not make it simple

Premium,basic, for home user, why not keep it simple, Just for home user with one package and an between ,price for Premium, Basic ,Vista. give the home user a brake. wishing Microsft all the
best
george

[BigCyr]

Windows Vista Media Center???

Does the home versiopn of Vista have a Media Center like XP Media Center 2005?

[xfloaterx]

Windows Media Center in Vista

Vista Ultimate Edition includes Windows Media Center.

[DrtyDogg]

Two of them actually

Home Premium and Ultimate contain Media Center functionality. Though Ultimat is the only one which you can use media center while connected to a domain.
Means I won't be switching for my media center PC.

[perfrog]

Vista Pricing

Now come on all you PC users,
Highly priced by Microsoft, the abusers.
Let's all tell then to take it back,
Because we're all going to a MAC.
Really 359.00 is obscene, and I hope I can find a way to get Vista from a file share client.
I think 100-200 would be a fair price. But at 359, plus tax will make the price 400. More than my laptop cost.

[yltanonly]

pricing

i too think the same as this writer, selling it above $350 is really really absurd, i know it takes so much money to develope this but think again, at that price what happen if the pirated market is able to sell the same product at maybe $20 dollars, would anyone still be interested?
Shouldn't MS at least keep the price competitive against this after so much that has actually happen with MS Home/Office/Professional. I say keep it as low as possible. If the low & high is not wide, it will win the buyer to the genuine product.Lowering the price does not actually hurts MS at all,in actual fact, it helps people to trust them more. So please MS, it is up to you to look at a price when we compare with the pirated product. So this is the best way to stamp out piratcy.

[SystemsJunky]

Yeah, lets switch to Mac

So we can be force fed lame overpriced hardware and $129 a year for a service pack...

No Thanks..

[zaznet]

Then Don't Upgrade!

You do not need to upgrade to Vista. Really, you can get by with whatever OS is currently on your laptop computer. Why bother upgrading to the highest priced alternative if you clearly didn't upgrade to the best laptop on the market? That's like having $5,000 worth of tires and rims on a 1992 Ford Escort.

Be realistic here and just don't upgrade.

[john55440]

Preinstalled Only

I don't care about the "boxed prices" of Vista, because I only buy (indirectly) preinstalled operating systems.

And no, I am not going to rush out and buy a new computer, just so I can run Vista. I will most likely wait until my 2002 computer dies.

[open-mind]

For 98/SE/ME users, a Mac PC probably costs less.

For Win 98/SE/ME users, a $575 Mac Mini would cost less, since
these users will need new hardware. A Mini would include new
hardware, a new OS with all the features of Vista, and a very nice
suite of applications and tools. Plus it could be 100% backward
compatible by running the old 98/SE/ME software license under
virtualization. After adding $159 for a Vista upgrade, a new Dell or
HP will be a more expensive option. If you go that route, don't
forget a video card capable of supporting Vista's new Aero GUI.
That means look for "Vista ideal", not just "Vista capable".

[john55440]

New Computer Buying

>After adding $159 for a Vista upgrade, a new Dell or HP will be a more expensive option. If you go that route, don't forget a video card capable of supporting Vista's new Aero GUI. That means look for "Vista ideal", not just "Vista capable".<

If a person buys a "Christmas WinXP computer", Microsoft is going to have some kind of Vista coupon program, to reduce/eliminate the upgrade costs.

Apparently the Vista ideal you speak of is going to be called Vista Premium Ready by computer manufacturers.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/capable.mspx

As for me, I like my operating systems preinstalled. I wouldn't want to buy a new WinXP machine, and upgrade it to Vista. I would rather wait.

[cary1]

... if you ignore the cost of monitor and other peripherals and software

Yes, in that case, it would cost less.

[G5Man]

Mac doesn't need virtualization

It uses Intel processors. Install whatever lame MS OS you want on
there natively.

[doctor_gizmo]

Vista Pricing

Bill Gates must have forgotten his beginings when IBM wanted an operating system that they could package with their new system at a reasonable cost. At the CPM was almost the only game in town and had just came out with its new operating system CPM 86 but cost more than the average person could afford and then came Microsoft. IBM was creating a "Personal Computer" affordable to all. Will history repeat it's self

[dutchy5347]

Australian Dollars

Can some one tell me how much it is going to be in Australia

[sanbill]

dollar conversion

suggest you just go to a conversion site, try xe.com

sanbill

[mtarm1]

is there a office 2007

i agree what is the price in australian dollars.
and is there an office 07 and whats so good about it if there is

[mtarm1]

aussie dollars for vista

aprox: $520-Windows Vista Ultimate, $390-Windows Vista Business, $310-Windows Vista Home Premium, $260-Windows Vista Home Basic.

im not sure if its right or not, its based on curency excange rate, microsoft could change the price for us aussies(sucks to be us) lol but this should help 'mate' good luck dutchy5347

[cary1]

Boxed Price vs OEM price

Win XP pro boxed price is $299
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/howtobuy/pricingretail.mspx

and OEM price for the same from Tigerdirect is $139
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=335900&CatId=672

If same applies to Vista, it might cost much less than the prices published by MS.

Also, if you buy it preinstalled from vendors like Dell or HP, it will cost same as Windows XP and the overall price of the PC will be almost same as it is now

[amy.licious]

Yes but...

...there are a couple major differences between buying the OS from Microsoft versus buying it thru the OEM's as a pre-load. When you buy it direct from Microsoft, you'll buy the precise system that Microsoft engineered AND Microsoft's excellent tech support including replacing of OS disks for free if you loose your's. When you buy it via Dell, you'll buy the custom-engineered system with all the extra bloatware that Dell configures in order to destroy your system a day after you get it AND Dell's useless tech support including charging you the retail price of the OS a second time in case you loose their original disk (if it even CAME with a disk to begin with).