Comments on: Microsoft Canada leaks Vista pricing

The software maker's Canadian Web site briefly posts prices for Windows Vista's many editions.
Screenshots: Amazon selling Vista

[DiamondBridgeCenterfuge]

The Ultimate - yes, yes, yes, yes, whatever

But of course THIS time, windows will be a solid product ( :~\ ), with enhanced security (lol), isolated apps to prevent lock-up/premature reboots and crashing (lmao), great performance that does what you want it to when you want it to (hehehe), and end all compatibility issues with the ability to fully utilize all the hardware proficiently (HAHAHA) just like 3.0, 3.1, 95, ME, 98, xp, nt, 2000, yadayadayada...

Ya know they're still not putting all the h/w requirements on the microsoft site to "fully" use all the features of 'vista' just so the average consumer will waste money NOW buying suboptimized pc's allowing oem's to dump their inventories... no wonder sales are lagging and suspicion is rising.

[velocity303]

Its really the mac attitude that steers me away from apple

No one ever really gives me solid reasons for buying a mac. It always just turns into a malicious "who can flame microsoft faster war." If you dont like Microsoft, thats fine. If you like apple thats fine. But to constantly have the apple gospel shoved down my throat makes me glad that they have such a small marketshare.

Every OS has its problems. Microsoft has done LOTS of things wrong, but so have the other companies. MS's mistakes are just easier to spot because so many people use the OS. But this is a serious plea to mac fanatics, if you read a story about Microsoft, please actually think out what you write before just flaming everyone on cnet to death about how they do everything wrong. Apple is a great company, but they arent perfect.

[Sumatra-Bosch]

Apple OSes are Crap, Too!

Saying OS X is more stable than Windows is like saying that Jeffrey Dahmer is better than Josef Mengele.

Roberto

[J_Satch]

Bingo.

I personally don't understand why they bother, except maybe to get back at the M$ users who waste their time as well flaming them. Flaming and reaming does not win converts on either side. But it will, no doubt, continue...

[open-mind]

If you wanted solid reasons...

...then you would probably read Apple's web site:

http://www.apple.com/getamac/

But I suspect you don't.

Alas, anyone who even mentions these reasons is usually
branded a "zealot", "fanboy", "Windows basher", etc. It's almost
pointless.

One reason I prefer the Mac is because it can run OS X/
Windows/Linux. Also OS X software development tools are free,
so no need to spend $100's on MS Visual Studio.

[jwmoreland]

Apple is a good alternative

You're right about mac zealots, neither company is 'all good' or
evil. But to your first sentence I might share my 'solid reasons'
for choosing Apple. 5 years and no virus program. Now I have an
apple with intel and can run both Windows (for testing web-
pages & serving asp my clients who need websites run on asp
code). It works great. Also, for those high-end buyers, you can
get a MacPro plus vista for cheeper than a comparable Dell with
only Vista pre-installed (along with other vendor-ware).

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/
2006/08/23/AR2006082301226.html

[bruby2]

Least expensive way to go.

Why not just purchase the OEM XP Pro, and then the SA on top of it. It's what, about $260 on the high end? That way you get Vista when it comes out. The only drawback is that you have to get a minimum of 5 of the Software Assurance to start out.

[t3st3r`]

"Just $260 for high end", do you say??

> Why not just purchase the OEM XP Pro, and then the SA on top of it.
> It's what, about $260 on the high end?
> That way you get Vista when it comes out.
Thanks dude, but REAL high-end OS is Win2003 which has a way different pricing.WinXP is kinda limited and restricted OS.You cannot use it for heavily loaded server due to connection limits.You can not remotely login into system by lots of users via remote desktop.You can not... (quite big list of things).With linux, you can.There is NO dumb marketing restrictions, at all.Need 500 TCP connections?Wanna to log in by 20 different users on same machine?Just come on and do it!And that's for FREE.And I already wrote about some drawbacks even XP has.In Vista things about to get even worse.I do not see a clue to pay 260$ for almost nothing.If I'll want to get Vista's look and feel, XP can be tuned to look and feel like Vista.In fact, for free.And it is likely that except $260 you also have to pay for hardware upgrade because Vista is really resource hog and a lots slower than xp on equal hardware.

[heystoopid]

But then again

But then again, will it ever replace Windows 2000 as, used in the majority of industries and businesses these days?

Choices means dollars spent on system upgrade costs=less profits=black marks/downgrading from WALL STREET!

[willpenington]

Apparently

With XP for legacy devices: i.e. XP with luna and all that other rubish striped out, without having it's support droped, as 2k support must be coming to an end soon.

[ferretboy88]

buy macbook then have osx linux and xp

My macbook has three systems. XP, ubuntu, and OSX. Pretty cool.

[t3st3r`]

Apple are just a cheaters :)

Apple are just bunch of cheaters (businessmens if you like this better) who're in fact sells just usual PCs under unusually high prices.I'm fine with my PC.And I'm preferring AMD.Apple ignores this! :) (I have to admit: x86 sucks anyway...AMD64 is a bit better but I'm wanna to see stupid x86 architecture in hell, where the proper place is reserved for long years ago).

[Maelstorm]

Way too much

Sorry, but $399USD is *way* too much for an OS. Plus you cannot play HD-DVD and Blue-Ray commercial movies on the IA32 version. How many people out there still have 32bit hardware? I think that this will just push users to alternatives such as Linux and FreeBSD (Mac OSX is a version of FreeBSD undernieth). Let with Windows zelots and the Microsoft shills start the FUD. It's too expensive and that is not arguable.

[David Arbogast]

Glad you aren't in charge

Its a good thing that a capitalist economy is controlled by the people who have and spend money, instead of the people who sit at home dictating what pricing structure others should be using. After all... a capitalistic economy is far more successful than an economy controlled by a dictator.

The SALES of Vista will determine if the price is right or wrong, and the price of Vista will be significantly less for people buying new computers.

The MARKET RESEARCH conducted by Microsoft was used to set the price and I am confident that they put FAR MORE knowledge, experience, and expertise into their marketing study than you did in your "It's too expensive and that's unarguable" comment.

[t3st3r`]

Exchange recovery

>Exchange includes two very sophisticated utilities to do that: Eseutil and Isinteg
In hard cases this can fail.And unfortunately, there is no tools to try to dump DB ignoring errors as possible and dump at least some survived messages.Actually, if something bad happens you can rely on backups only.If you do not have one, you may get into complete a$$.

[Jerics]

Prices on MS SuperSite

MS has listed the prices here
http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_pricing.asp

[qwerty75]

They could pay people to use it

And it still can't come close to the value of my Suse 10.1 install that was free.

It has all the bells and whistles that Vista has, but xgl doesn't require nearly as much hardware. And looks better. Package managers-you can even choose which one you want, if you do not like the default and can remove that one- are simple to use and handle all the perviously tedious work of installing software. Now you get software specifically compiled to your system with 1 click. You can actually choose what you want and don't want. no specific browser or email client is required, ect.

Not to mention the massive security, flexibility and stability advantage. Oh, and I have features that are over 15 years old that windows still doesn't have, like a file system that doesn't require the use of a defragger app. Compare the firewall in Suse with the one in XP. lol

[gaganUK]

The fashion of windows beating

I just dont understand why people still think that crticising windows make them appear cool, aware and sophesticated. I am sorry that is over so please stop it. I am just an average home computer user and I have used windows since I have used computers, and it has done all my life's work nicely. I used Mac OS for few months, and though it looked pretty but it was so difficult to use it because of compatibilty and other issues. Windows is fine, criticise it only if u have real valid point, not just because u want to make a stinking statement.

[ogman]

Cost/Value Just Not There

Too many features have been dumped and many of the new enhancements are already available through third-party software. The cost/value is just not there. Not only that, but the hardware requirements seem to change weekly, and anyone who believes Vista will be productive at the minimum is dreaming.

I'll stick with XP and enjoy the speed of my new machine instead of giving it up to a bloated OS. Wouldn't it be nice if, just once, the OS would make the computer run faster???

[ntman00]

Vista or Visa ?

Hope those are not the real Vista prices, but the XP prices are. Real. I think the prices are too high even for XP. Windows Vista is a nice program but if you know your way around with nt, windows 2000 and windows 98 you can create all (or certainly a lot ) of the extra's Vista has your self.

I've compared my favourite windows OS's :
nt (6 major crashes)
windows 98 (27 crashes) and
windows 2000 (4 critical crashes);
my XP machine crashed twice , my vista machine hasn't so far.

The prices of those programs where far too high also.

So I still think the prices for Vista are far too high.

[ntman00]

Vista or Visa ?

Hope those are not the real Vista prices, but the XP prices are. Real. I think the prices are too high even for XP. Windows Vista is a nice program but if you know your way around with nt, windows 2000 and windows 98 you can create all (or certainly a lot ) of the extra's Vista has your self.

I've compared my favourite windows OS's :
nt (6 major crashes)
windows 98 (27 crashes) and
windows 2000 (4 critical crashes);
my XP machine crashed twice , my vista machine hasn't so far.

The prices of those programs where far too high also.

So I still think the prices for Vista are far too high.