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Parallels promises to let both OSes do their thing on a Mac at the same time, unlike Apple's BootCamp.

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I wanted to get the MacBook
by mystereojones June 15, 2006 10:47 AM PDT
I hear it can run XP pretty darn good on it with the Mac OS. The only thing preventing me from getting it is the darn price.
http://www.techknowcafe.com/content/view/336/42/
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Macs too costly?
by jdginky June 15, 2006 3:28 PM PDT
The price for a Mac is not high when compared to comparably
equipped Windows machines. Buying a cheap Windows box doesn't
mean it is of high quality.
The MacBook Cost
by g3 creative June 16, 2006 6:56 AM PDT
The MacBook is a really great wee computer one of the
designers here has one. Anyway you guys in the US should be
laughing when it comes to purchasing PC?s you don?t have to
pay our horrible UK VAT charges.

Although when you think our prime ministers wife Sheree Blair
has spent £3000.00 in one week on hair cuts and claimed it as
expenses you can see why our tax levels are so high.

God bless em.
Cruel Little Mac Joke
by nmannella June 15, 2006 11:39 AM PDT
Has anyone else noticed that that the new icon for My Computer is the Shutdown icon? Or that the new My Documents icon is the Help icon? What are you trying to say?
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10.5 (Leopard) is gonna have this built it...
by peestandingup June 15, 2006 4:32 PM PDT
...so save your money because its coming by the end of the year. There are even rumors that you will be able to run Windows programs natively within OS X, without installing a Windows OS at all. We shall see.
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no...
by metalhead11 June 15, 2006 9:09 PM PDT
Apple has specifically said they will not sell, license, or promote
windows. Allowing you to run windows on a mac without insalling
it would be them promoting windows, and selling it.
no...
by metalhead11 June 15, 2006 9:10 PM PDT
Apple has specifically said they will not sell, license, or promote
windows. Allowing you to run windows on a mac without insalling
it would be them promoting windows, and selling it.
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MS will sue
by willpenington June 15, 2006 11:17 PM PDT
"Windows programs natively within OS X, without installing a Windows OS at all"

They can't do this because they will sell. Microsoft like parralels because you still buy a copy of xp or vista, what ever you are using, but if apple go through with this, they will either have to stop, or lisence windows. They have vowed not to do this, and even if they somehow manage to win all the legal action, Microsoft will cease developing and selling Office for mac and virtual PC, and create update and dll hell for mac OSX.

If os x has native support for windows apps, it has native support for windows viruses, and the only difference between the two OSs will be what hardware it can be installed on (and it's cost), UIs and the reasons and behaviour in crashes. What is the point in a "Secure BSD core" if it is vunerable to Windows viruses? none, so I'll stick with Windows because I like the Vista UI, and regedit.
Plastic Mac Lovers
by Mendz June 16, 2006 12:51 AM PDT
Mac lovers who bought Mac realized they need Windows applications... Duh?
Most brilliant move Apple could make.
by Stan Johnson June 16, 2006 9:29 AM PDT
One of the only things keeping Windows users from using Mac hardware is that they are HEAVILY invested in Windows software. To run both operating systems at the same time would be the smartest growth move Apple could possibly make. It spells out growth for Apple computers better than anything else Apple could do. Period.
This is better than Boot Camp
by mystereojones June 16, 2006 11:15 AM PDT
I think I'm going to get this and give it a shot.
http://www.techknowcafe.com/content/view/527/42/
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Windows no way better then OS X
by rmiecznik June 16, 2006 2:15 PM PDT
I've been using every single version of windows and currently use XP Pro. When the time came to choose a new computer, I went G5 Power Mac with the IBM Power PC Chip, I figured that with Univeral Binary file, it won't be a problem, and it's not.

I got sick of XP, so I wanted to try something else. At 33 I don't care for games no more, that's what the Xbox 360 is for. I would not trade my G5 for no other computer. So then the dilema came as to what I will do with all this PC Hardware. I would love to be able to Install Mac OS X on it and totally trash the XP, but I can't.

So I keep one XP running for work pruposes and everything else was cleaned out and Slackware Linux installed and those computers not run rock solid my web network and apache software. The Vista Beta 2, that I did install, nothing worked as far as drivers and there weren't any on the manufacturers web site. Most don't even mention anything about drivers at all for any of their products. Alot of my 32-bit programs don't even work anymore on Vista, I get all kinds of errors. So ya it looks cool and sleek, but at this point Vista is useless.

By the time drivers are written for it a good year will pass after it's release, by that time OS X will have major updates :- )

There is no way that XP is better the OS X, don't even give me that, I don't believe it.
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Windows, Mac OS to run side-by-side
by gurumandir June 17, 2006 1:33 PM PDT
If someone wants needs Windows why would he/she buy a Mac. Most of those who buy a Mac do so because they wan to run graphics software that they don't know are already available on Windows (e.g. Adobe Photoshop). Then they discover to their dismay that some web sites which may be important to them only support IE . So they either have to buy a PC or pay extra to buy software which will alow both OSs to run.
In my opinion there should be a law which prevents web pages supporting one browser only.
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There are far more advantages over Windows...
by mgreere June 17, 2006 4:35 PM PDT
Easy access to gazillions of Unix programs that are unavailable
to Windows, rock-solid stability, media software that absolutely
beats the pants off the nearest competitor on Windows, zero
mucking about with virus protection (use stealth mode and leave
the firewall on), zero configuration, zero re-installs, consistently
ranked #1 customer support, lower total-cost-of-ownership,
longer hardware lifespan, higher resale value...

Tell me why I should buy a Windows laptop for my next
purchase when Apple's hardware is much more refined and not
actually much more expensive?

I haven't run into the IE problem you speak of in years, well,
except for Windows Live Beta :).
funny how 80% of the posts are
by horac12 June 17, 2006 5:48 PM PDT
funny how 80% of the posts are debating Windows vs. OS X while
the article is basically about how the user can run both
operating systems on one machine seamlessly.

the fact is if you by a mac then you can run both operating
systems.

the mac is not more expensive then a PC if you compare
similarly configured machines. it is just that one cannot buy a
cheap Mac. like one cannot buy a cheap sony vaio.

a cheap dell is like $400. the cheapest mac mini is $600. so
does the extra $200 worth what you get for it? namely OS X,
iLife and quality hardware?
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And the debate continues...
by make_or_break June 18, 2006 5:21 AM PDT
[i]...it is just that one cannot buy a cheap Mac. like one cannot buy a cheap sony vaio.[/i]

Yes you can. ALL Sony VAIOs are cheap, no matter what the price. But I suppose that's beside the point.

As for quality hardware in an Apple platform vs. a typical PC...I think you may be surprised at how similar the worlds (and pieces) actually are, particularly after The Switch to the Dark Side (re: Intel) that Apple made. And besides, against all [i]current[/i] Inhell processors, chipsets and support chips, I'd strongly prefer my alternatives from that lil' old company called AMD anyways (the upcoming next-gen Intel chips could sway, however). Moreover, I'm really beginning to [i]dislike[/i] the rather intimidating, end-user hardware-unfriendliness of the iMac's chassis, which I view as being not much different than an iPod. I mean, my Lian Li tower was NEVER so secretive and difficult about what's inside and being able to [i]personally[/i] swap things around when I've outgrown them. For all its goodness so far, the iMac makes the computer seem more like an appliance than an old-time working machine that one can get down and dirty under the hood with. For that, there's no topping a PC desktop machine, dare I say even a VAIO. Or any of the other propriataries, for that matter.

There's no question in my mind that OS X is superior in virtually all but one way to XP. Only with the vast library of apps and software titles does Windoze have a clear and distinct advantage. Until Apple's adoption of the Dark Side, coupled with Boot Camp and now Parallels, even that advantage--from a hardware platform standpoint--is moot. But we still can't get away from Windows, which ironically was MY whole reason for starting my personal migration to Apple to begin with.

Which is WHY we continue the debate over Windows vs. OS X whether one likes it or not. And BTW, we (well, at least me) aren't seeing the humor.
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Now I know Windows SUCKS!
by citrusonic June 17, 2006 9:33 PM PDT
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Quicktime can't install without breaking WMP...
by pepemalinus June 18, 2006 9:12 AM PDT
... so stop the fuss about the Mac software being so great. They are far from perfect. I just installed QuickTime on my PC to see the latest Mac commercials (very funny by the way) and all the sudden I couldn't watch any more streaming video from other websites. I found postings from 2001 reporting the same problem. 5 years later and it's still not fixed!

Apple's software is great as long as you run it on a Mac. People don't realize that Mac OS has one HUGE difference with Windows: Mac OS only need to run on ONE hardware which they have total control over. No brainer for them, no 100s of chipsets, no dozens of video cards, no thousands of drivers. People should give more credit to M$ for pulling out an OS that runs on hardware that anybody can actually build by themselves from any parts they like.

Maybe Apple's approach is right because they can focus more on user experience rather than supporting zillions of hardware configurations.
But imagine if Apple was in M$'s place today: One company that controls BOTH software and hardware of 80% of the computers in the worlds... Wouldn't that be a monopoly too ?
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Have same problem on my mac
by Peter Bonte June 18, 2006 2:49 PM PDT
After setting up a ftp server for my printer/scanner WMP suddenly
won't play streaming media. Its in the network settings or
something with the firewall but haven't really worked on it yet.

Apple will bring osX to other hardware like Dell but with very
specific hardware requirements to not spoil the osX experience,
Apple won't ever have 80% of the hardware (except maybe for the
iPod) but it will in OS software. :D
I wouldn't think so.
by ServedUp June 18, 2006 8:36 PM PDT
Because Apple popularized the personal computer industry.
They were the first to market the concept of the computer in
your home with the Apple I.

They were the first to recognize the importance of the graphic
user interface making computers easier for mere mortals to use.

So what your actually saying is if Bill Gates never saw the the big
market that he actually did see for the GUI. From which he
snagged the idea from Apple.

If that happend..

Apple would have certainly been the dominant personal
computer on the planet for sure but wouldn't be considered a
monopoly because even back then there was other choices then
using the MAC OS, there was DOS which was running on an IBM
PC back then as well as the Commodore PET computer and the
VIC 20. But all the latter turned out to be has beens..

So no I don't think they would be. But if the Mac OS didn't have
the competition they have Windows now, it certainly wouldn't be
as good as it is today, for sure. So having Microsoft around in
someways actually improved how we use computers today.
Probably not
by lowededwookie--2008 June 19, 2006 10:07 PM PDT
But imagine if Apple was in M$'s place today: One company that controls BOTH software and hardware of 80% of the computers in the worlds... Wouldn't that be a monopoly too?

No. Apple builds a machine that THEIR OS runs on. Microsoft doesn't build their own machines. As such Apple can put whatever they want on the machines THEY build. In this case it's their OWN OS.

The monopoly case wasn't about whether or not Windows had too much market share, it was their control over the market that they used to stifled competition.

Apple has never stopped other OSs running on their machines. You can run Linux or Windows on your Mac. However, Microsoft forced PC manufacturers to only sell machines with Windows if they wanted to retain their access to the OEM version of Windows, without which PC manufacturers would have priced themselves out of existance.

Apple exists with its higher prices on account of the fan base and because there is markets that Windows just can't compete in.
WHy credit MS with that? Fault them for it...
by TigerG June 20, 2006 5:47 AM PDT
the lack of strongly enforced standards by Microsoft is one
reason for such a history of massive incompatibility problems
and poor quality software all these years.

Heck it's taking Microsoft 7 years to get VIsta out. WHy, well they
have to spend most of the time making sure it doesn't break the
installed user base. Meanwhile MAc just hums right along with
an OS that is years ahead of Windows, and will be even further
along when Leopard comes out.

There's been a huge hidden price in all that availability of 3rd
party parts for WIndows. More selection has added up to a
worse computing experience because Microsoft has sacrificed
quality for profits over and over and over again.

When you have a monopoly you can get away with it.

99% of the Apple bashers have never even touched one in the
last 5 years and no not what they talk about.

Many of them are gamers with an inferiority complex that
selfishly Apple bash and contribute to the non gamers from
seeing that Apples are a great computing experience.

Of course the irony is the average $400 XBox or PlayStation is a
far superior gaming machine than any PC ever put together.
WHy credit MS with that? Fault them for it...
by TigerG June 20, 2006 5:48 AM PDT
First if QUick time breaks on Windows maybe it's because
windows is at fault, not Apple, cause Gates doesn;t want users
seeing how much better QUicktime is.


The lack of strongly enforced standards by Microsoft is one
reason for such a history of massive incompatibility problems
and poor quality software all these years.

Heck it's taking Microsoft 7 years to get VIsta out. WHy, well they
have to spend most of the time making sure it doesn't break the
installed user base. Meanwhile MAc just hums right along with
an OS that is years ahead of Windows, and will be even further
along when Leopard comes out.

There's been a huge hidden price in all that availability of 3rd
party parts for WIndows. More selection has added up to a
worse computing experience because Microsoft has sacrificed
quality for profits over and over and over again.

When you have a monopoly you can get away with it.

99% of the Apple bashers have never even touched one in the
last 5 years and no not what they talk about.

Many of them are gamers with an inferiority complex that
selfishly Apple bash and contribute to the non gamers from
seeing that Apples are a great computing experience.

Of course the irony is the average $400 XBox or PlayStation is a
far superior gaming machine than any PC ever put together.
So now why develop for Mac?
by xandersturn August 7, 2006 6:45 AM PDT
Mac's can now run Windows software, Windows can't run Mac software. Wouldn't it be cheaper to develop just for Windows and not worry too much about Mac development?
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