Comments on: Vista beta sucks up battery juice

Laptops with the Windows update drain batteries faster than with XP--a potential problem for PC makers.

[CentrOS]

The new Intel Apple MacBook (iBook) gets 6 genuine hours!

That's hard to beat!

[liam04uk]

MacBook Pro

Indeed, i get 4.5hours with my 17" MBP when using Final Cut
Pro. Now thats a intense program, so 4 - 4.5hours is very good,
a operating system that gives you little battery life is not a good
thing. Also, they recomend turning off the fancy 3D effects,
people might as well just keep XP then.
Before anyone says anything, yes im a mac user, and im not
jumping down MS throat like most mac fanboys, i use windows
occasionally as well, but OSX is my main operating system that i
enjoy using. I just think MS need to really think before making a
OS, not make it up as they go along.

[ferretboy88]

MY MACBOOK BATTERY ONLY LASTS 3 HOURS

I think the battery on my macbook 2.0 and my ipod nano suck. The rated life for the macbook is 3.45 hrs.I'm getting close to that but NO WHERE NEAR 6 HOURS STOP TELLING FIBS.

[Sentinel]

More of the same

Like always, Microsoft Operating Systems are forcing manufacturers to sell even more expensive hardware with each new version. Every time a new version of Windows is released people practically have to throw out their PCs and replace with a new one that meets the "minimal" requirements for the new windows version. As for this Aero interface, perhaps those of us who don't need to see flashy animation every time we open a work application can disable Aero to boost battery life. What would a new Windows version be without a load of unnecessary and resource consuming features?

Here's a hint: disable Themes in XP and see how it affects your battery life, you will be surprised.

[Vegaman_Dan]

Building for Tomorrow, not Today

It's more of the same, and that is a good thing or we wouldn't have any reason to have operating systems advance beyond Windows 3.1x. And that OS was perfect, right? Heh.

Here's my opinion, not any facts.

When you build a product, you don't design it for today's needs- or even for today's hardware. To do so would render your product immediately obsolete. Design your product to work with what is out there now, but make sure that all your new features will be best supported by the new hardware in the works (and there is quite a bit of it). To some how expect all manufacturers to simply stop making advances because an OS maker has provided the OS that works on today's systems fully would be silly. What company would just stop bothering trying to develope new equipment? There's no money in that.

Imagine complaining that a car company makes cars that can go 200 mph, but the freeway speed is only 70 mph. That car company is irresponsible for making a system that exceeds what the freeway can support at that time, forcing the freeways to be upgraded to use all the features available in your much faster car. You could do that, or you could just stay at the slower speed, never use your car for what it can do, and keep complaining. You know, that horse and buggy idea was pretty good. Now why did the vehicle makers go and cause such a problem by putting an engine in there? Now we have to upgrade our roads, invent seat belts, air conditioning, and most importantly the cup holder.

Aero can easily be turned off. It literally is just transparent backgrounds on windows, transition effects, a 3D version of your ALT-TAB cycling between applications (Vista uses the WinKey+Tab, BTW), and showing a live view of each application instead of a tiny icon for the application when alt-tabbing between apps. Does it affect / improve your actual performance? Not in the slightest. It's one of the first things I turn off in any OS, including XP, Vista, and OS X. I'd rather use my computer than to play with it.

I've been working / supporting Longhorn/Vista for a bit over a year now internally at Microsoft and while I like a lot of it, so far it hasn't done enough to be different to be worth changing from XP for me- right now. Once the hardware catches up to some of the other features in the OS that *do* help with productivity and security, then I'll be looking at upgrading seriously.

[aabcdefghij987654321]

Definitely more of the same

But in my view it's the whiners who come along griping that they can't run the latest and greatest new OS on their IBM PC Jr and MS is going to send their goons to make sure they throw away their perfectly functioning computer and make them buy a new one.

Do you understand how lame you sound making the complaint? Probably not. FYI, I've run MS's Vista compatability program on the three computers I have and found that both of the systems I built two years ago are quite capable of running Vista in it's full Aero mode but the laptop I bought last fall doesn't have a good enough video card to make the Aero cut (Hello Gateway! You fools have known about this part of Vista's requirements for several years, why didn't you make your hardware compatible?).

Since I can't run Aero on that laptop it's pretty obvious that I'm not going to have an extra drain on the batteries.

However, your hint about disabling the Themes in XP is an interesting thought, thank you for the suggestion though I rarely actually have to use only the batteries.

[lantzn]

REALLY?

"Like always, Microsoft Operating Systems are forcing manufacturers to sell even more expensive hardware with each new version."

Is that REALLY true? I have been using Macs for years and have always been able to load numerous versions of Apple's OS on my machines. I'm currently running the newest version of OSX (Tiger 10.4.6)on a 2000 made G4 tower and a 1999 G3 iBook laptop. Heck I even have an old SE/30 running System 7.5.5.

[PolarUpgrade]

Time to consider real cost of energy-hogging PCs

Perhaps an energy waste tax is in order to discourage making pretty computers at the expense of the energy infrastructure,.

One great negative of the Microsoft OS monopoly is that it is a waste-inefficient business model that continues to create millions of junked PCs, and new generations of power hogs that suck up ever more watts with each PC generation.

For example, a 700 MHz PIII we use for backup storage by spec has a CPU that uses something like 55 watts top usage; one of our current systems now uses according to specs some 500 watts in CPU power at max CPU load.

At a time of dramatically rising energy costs and increasingly scarce energy supply, we should ask why this insanity is allowed.

Moreover, one arae that could benefit by regulation would be all battery-powered devices. A heavy energy tax on battery-powered devices, and also batteries, would discourage this highly inefficient power model.

Since battery power can be up to thousands of times less efficient than line power in terms of its total opportunity costs for creation and delivery (I saw one report a few years ago noting that alkaline batteries are something like 5,000 times more costly in terms of price and resources used per power unit that line power), we also must ask why we encourage rather than regulate the use of battery-powered devices.

[Antemeridian]

Batteries

Your points on batteries, while interesting from an efficiency standpoint, really don't make any impact on the primary reason we use batteries: portability.

The reason batteries are becoming more and more prevalent is their ability to bring the power with you. So while they may be nowhere near as efficient, with the increasing availability of wireless access to the internet everywhere (through wi-fi, EDGE, EVDO, HSDPA, etc.) demand for battery powered devices is only going to increase!

So perhaps the solution isn't to try and reduce the use of batteries, but to really work along the current lines, and develop new technologies to increase the efficiency of portable power.

[ebeamsales]

You must be a Liberal

Only a tax & spend Liberal would say "there ought to be a tax" as a pitiful attempt to solve this problem. What do you think will happen? MS or any other manufacturer will simply build this tax into the cost of their software/hardware and guess who pays it? The end-user! How about offering incentives for creating energy-efficent hardware? Or incentives for encouraging competition in a Capitalist marketplace? Now they already have EnergyStar standards for things like monitors, maybe they can expand on that? But good lord, not another fricking tax...

[maxwis]

Conversely, Energy Savings Due To Technology

One could make the case that Microsoft and Intel have resulted in a net energy SAVINGS by allowing people to be much more productive, to do far more with less energy expended (increased productivity). The kind of punish-tax plan you espouse is reminiscent of Al Gore type thinking. Al Gore, by the way, has convinced himself that his consumption of scare energy, as you put it, by jetting all over the world and driving around in limousines doesn't matter because he somehow offsets it buy buying energy credits from some poor slob in Bangladesh.

[Mimsy]

I said that about WMP

When some folks were lauding the icon displays in the new
Windows Media Player, I wondered what effect displaying
everything as a graphic would have on battery life. I guess this
article answers that question.

[Ribbink]

My Permitted Battery Life experiences

I can attest to a Real Time instance.
As a Vista Beta tester in good standing, I was viewing important Apps. data, research, and even my email. While running Vista, I randomly check the battery life status. On one case in point, I noticed a low battery alert of about 15 minutes. I decided to shutdown and Load Windows XP Pro SP2 from the other partition. I then observed that the battery status was > 25 minutes. Hmmm.
I do have a spare battery and of course the AC power adapter, but felt this was a way to later get a better charge on that routine.

On another unrelated instance, I also fell asleep with the Laptop like one of the CNET staff did. Go figure!

Ron

[lantzn]

Another review

And to think this OS is going up against the next version of OSX (leopard 10.5)not 10.4.

<http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9000829&pageNumber=1>

[maxwis]

I Have Windows "Dark Glass"

I use a Windows feature called "Dark Glass" to get more battery life. I activate this feature by turning my screen brightness all the way down. That gives me an extra hour of battery life.

Regarding the extra heat generated by running Aero, make sure you test drive that new laptop in a quiet room before plunking down your hard earned cash. My laptop's fan sounds like a hair dryer when it is at maximum cooling RPM. I could not stand to listen to that for an extended period by running Vista.

[steinah6]

I don't see the big deal

Whats the big deal with transparent windows and minimized app
windows? I'm a Mac user and am used to this already. I've been
using Unsanity's WindowShade X for over a year now, which
allows me to make windows transparent and minimized in place.
OS X already has that 3D effect when you do fast user
switching.. I bet that they will use that for regular window effects
in Leopard.

Bottom line:

Mac OS X already has those glitzy and glamorous features sans a
hit to battery life. Windows users should use Mac OS X before
getting too excited about the Aero effects.

[DCuerpoJr]

You're right to some extent.

I also don't see the big deal with the transparent windows and minimized app windows; or the so-called new widget's like feature we see with Mac OS X. However, since I'm a gaming fan I'd really like to see just how much of a performance boost this new OS may bring. The new visual affects may be awe inspiring but may also take a slight toll on the overall performance on a PC. In the official release I guess we'll get the chance to see how more efficient and user-friendly it may be.

[ImNeat]

I agree

I have been using effects like transparency on my linux laptop for a long time. I think it's great windows is including these-types of effects, but I don't understand why they're 1.) making such a huge deal out of something so small or 2.) insisting they be part of the defalt configuration.

[nectufine]

Apple can do it

I'm a windows user myself, but could it be that Microsoft really can't create a good operating system even if they tried? Assuming that Apple's specs are somewhat accurate, Apple has been able to achieve 5.5 hours of battery life on their 17" laptop which has similar hardware specs as most of the x86 based laptops available today.

For a comparison I looked at the HP dv1000t series notebook. It rated up to 8.75 hours on a 12 cell extended battery. Now take into account that HP offers the T2300, Apple only offers the T2600 on the 17? MacBook pro, and that 8.75 hour battery life is probably based on the low end processor.

Now finally I come to my conclusion. If Apple can make an operating system that offers all the glitz and glamour, for several years I might add, that Microsoft is finally trying to integrate into Vista, why is Microsoft the dominate OS? Obviously Microsoft has become too big to consider how they should solve all their problems. Microsoft should quit trying to lock everyone out of operating system by making it difficult for vendors to properly integrate new code into windows and leave it more up to the hardware vendors to supply drivers. Now I?m not talking about making Windows open source. All I?m saying is that Microsoft should stick to making an operating system and leave all the smaller tasks to the people that know how to do it best. If MS did then I believe that we would see a leaner, more stable OS come from them that would be difficult to rival by any.

But then again, who knows. Maybe I?m just being fallacious. If things were so simple then we wouldn?t have anything to comment on.

[daveworld]

Advancement in technology or stagnant?

Excuse me for the rant, but why must an operating system need so much juice to run? An operating system IMO should get out the way and save the power and battery for the applications. In no way should the OS drain the battery, especially when we have not seen any major improvement in battery technology.

I guess soon we will see Operating systems and Aps that's 4gig in size, processor speed up to 8 gigs and our battery in our laptop max at 4 hours, lol.

[chrisx1]

Reason for Home PC User To Upgrade?

Other than a slicker interface with cool graphics, what are the reasons for anyone on a home pc to upgrade from XP to Vista again?

[GreenApple123]

Laptop Battery Help

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Josh