Comments on: Allchin still worries about Vista

Man behind development of newest Windows says there's still plenty of work to do before shipment.

[john55440]

When Will Vista SP1 Be Ready?

Fasten your seatbelts, it sounds like the first release of Vista is going to be a bumpy ride. :-)

On the other hand, my current computer came with the pre-SP1 version of XP preinstalled, and that didn't cause any significant problems.

[Stalin Hornsby]

Vista for the desktop? The peradime was slated as laptop SP3.

Rendering aside; this product was certainly reorganized to take up with the 'Long Horn' interphaze. I am now a Athlon 64 user though the eminent concern of having a Dell 3.46 65nm P5 for playing music has real meaning to me.

[msims]

Microsoft should work on SP1 first

Microsoft should work on SP1 for Vista first and release it along with the Vista RTM when it gets released. That way your system will already be pre-patched much like they did when they re-released Windows XP with SP1 included in the box.

[john55440]

When Will Vista SP1 Be Ready?

Fasten your seatbelts, it sounds like the first release of Vista is going to be a bumpy ride. :-)

On the other hand, my current computer came with the pre-SP1 version of XP preinstalled, and that didn't cause any significant problems.

[Stalin Hornsby]

Vista for the desktop? The peradime was slated as laptop SP3.

Rendering aside; this product was certainly reorganized to take up with the 'Long Horn' interphaze. I am now a Athlon 64 user though the eminent concern of having a Dell 3.46 65nm P5 for playing music has real meaning to me.

[msims]

Microsoft should work on SP1 first

Microsoft should work on SP1 for Vista first and release it along with the Vista RTM when it gets released. That way your system will already be pre-patched much like they did when they re-released Windows XP with SP1 included in the box.

So, let me get this straight...

Their bloating the OS to tell THEM (MS) when an application or plugged-in piece of hardware doesn't work....? *** don't they just make it true plug and play? HELLO! ***? Have they not thought of copying this particular "feature" from OS X?

Garbage. This will be one of the worst releases ever. Possibly worse than ME.

[SystemsJunky]

Plug an Play "always" works in OS X

Yeah, lets copy apples implementation of pnp.
That way, we dont need a driver and no control over the hardware. Just to let you know, MS's implementation of PnP is far superior to APpls, hence, more control over your devices through apps that can transform that hardware. Example, Try getting your video card on your Mac to change AA settings on the fly using the respected Applications prefence..Oh thats right, its not possible. How about overclocking that video card? or putting unique sound effects through your sound card. Wouldnt ever want to check those memory timings on the fly....Id rather have bloat than nothing et al. Noting that "everything" works on OSX (ROFL) Does that include fonts? and "other" media players... LOL
If there is one thing Id like to see copied from apple, its the damn pinwheel...being since that is such a well known "feature".

[Neo Con]

I totally agree!

You are so right. Mac OS X peripherals work every time they're tried. All 2 of them!

Unfortunately, I can't seem to get my non-Apple webcam to work on the Mac. Or my non-Apple keyboard or my non-Apple PPC or my non-Apple monitor. Any tips for me there?

Oh, and by the way, how do I get SharePoint installed on my Mac? Does anyone know how to get Visual Studio working on the Mac? How about SQL Server or Oracle? Oh yeah, I guess I'll have to stick to FileMaker Pro, Cocoa and editing web pages with whatever the Mac-equivalent of notepad is.

I guess I'm having a little trouble with the wonderful plug-and-play features of the Mac. Is there ANY software or non-Apple-approved hardware that works on this POS???

[bob blob]

let me set you straight

i'm no expert, but even i know you don't just make an OS "true plug and play." you will need generic drivers to control the multitudes of different hardware out on the market (of which there are many more for Windows than for Macs). i think MS implemented this "bloatware" as a temporary *DEBUG* feature to automate the gathering of feedback about their bugs. this is part of the process to make their OS plug and play.

i don't know why you are screaming about debug features in a beta OS...

i'm not here to bash mac users, but it seems exclusive mac users would be less aware of device drivers seeing as how Apple keeps all mac hardware proprietary (i believe this is still the case). once you know all the available pluggable devices on the market for your OS, and knowing that those devices were all developed by the same company...well, it's pretty easy to include all the drivers you'll ever need in the OS. Consider how many brands of PC devices are on the market and you'll get a sense of what MS has to take into account when implementing their drivers.

So, let me get this straight...

Their bloating the OS to tell THEM (MS) when an application or plugged-in piece of hardware doesn't work....? *** don't they just make it true plug and play? HELLO! ***? Have they not thought of copying this particular "feature" from OS X?

Garbage. This will be one of the worst releases ever. Possibly worse than ME.

[SystemsJunky]

Plug an Play "always" works in OS X

Yeah, lets copy apples implementation of pnp.
That way, we dont need a driver and no control over the hardware. Just to let you know, MS's implementation of PnP is far superior to APpls, hence, more control over your devices through apps that can transform that hardware. Example, Try getting your video card on your Mac to change AA settings on the fly using the respected Applications prefence..Oh thats right, its not possible. How about overclocking that video card? or putting unique sound effects through your sound card. Wouldnt ever want to check those memory timings on the fly....Id rather have bloat than nothing et al. Noting that "everything" works on OSX (ROFL) Does that include fonts? and "other" media players... LOL
If there is one thing Id like to see copied from apple, its the damn pinwheel...being since that is such a well known "feature".

[Neo Con]

I totally agree!

You are so right. Mac OS X peripherals work every time they're tried. All 2 of them!

Unfortunately, I can't seem to get my non-Apple webcam to work on the Mac. Or my non-Apple keyboard or my non-Apple PPC or my non-Apple monitor. Any tips for me there?

Oh, and by the way, how do I get SharePoint installed on my Mac? Does anyone know how to get Visual Studio working on the Mac? How about SQL Server or Oracle? Oh yeah, I guess I'll have to stick to FileMaker Pro, Cocoa and editing web pages with whatever the Mac-equivalent of notepad is.

I guess I'm having a little trouble with the wonderful plug-and-play features of the Mac. Is there ANY software or non-Apple-approved hardware that works on this POS???

[bob blob]

let me set you straight

i'm no expert, but even i know you don't just make an OS "true plug and play." you will need generic drivers to control the multitudes of different hardware out on the market (of which there are many more for Windows than for Macs). i think MS implemented this "bloatware" as a temporary *DEBUG* feature to automate the gathering of feedback about their bugs. this is part of the process to make their OS plug and play.

i don't know why you are screaming about debug features in a beta OS...

i'm not here to bash mac users, but it seems exclusive mac users would be less aware of device drivers seeing as how Apple keeps all mac hardware proprietary (i believe this is still the case). once you know all the available pluggable devices on the market for your OS, and knowing that those devices were all developed by the same company...well, it's pretty easy to include all the drivers you'll ever need in the OS. Consider how many brands of PC devices are on the market and you'll get a sense of what MS has to take into account when implementing their drivers.

[m.meister]

Microsoft: Inept or Arrogant?

"It's a very complicated problem, more so than in the Apple
case."

You're telling me that Microsoft's compatibility issue is more
complicated than running an Application designed for ONE
PROCESSOR (PPC) on ANOTHER PROCESSOR (x86) in an
absolutely seamless manner, even while interacting with the OS
that is running under a different processor. Is that right?

Wow, either Microsoft is incredibly inept or incredibly arrogant.

[Byronic]

Would be both, but it's actually worse than that.

MS can't even COPY apple's original ideas correctly. Years later,
their products are a JOKE compared to Apple's (or other
companies) original versions.

Never underestimate MS ability to spread FUD or to BLOW in
terms of quality. They do a good job of supporting their
fanboys, and leveraging the monopoly, but that's about it.

Developers! Developers! FUD Spreaders!!!

As for what some of my fellow posters are saying about Apple, it
almost goes without saying that you have no experience
whatsoever with anything not out of redmond. You sound like
complete idiots saything, for example, that standard keyboards/
monitors/printers/ etc... ad nauseum do not work with Mac.
There can be driver issues, but it's nothing compared to what we
have to do in Windows.

Also, MS has never had to go through a single transition that
was anywhere near the complexity of any of the following:

Apple's switch to PPC
Apple's switch to OSX
Apple's switch to Intel.

Make up some more believeable FUD, please, Apple needs the
"competition".

[m.meister]

Microsoft: Inept or Arrogant?

"It's a very complicated problem, more so than in the Apple
case."

You're telling me that Microsoft's compatibility issue is more
complicated than running an Application designed for ONE
PROCESSOR (PPC) on ANOTHER PROCESSOR (x86) in an
absolutely seamless manner, even while interacting with the OS
that is running under a different processor. Is that right?

Wow, either Microsoft is incredibly inept or incredibly arrogant.

[Byronic]

Would be both, but it's actually worse than that.

MS can't even COPY apple's original ideas correctly. Years later,
their products are a JOKE compared to Apple's (or other
companies) original versions.

Never underestimate MS ability to spread FUD or to BLOW in
terms of quality. They do a good job of supporting their
fanboys, and leveraging the monopoly, but that's about it.

Developers! Developers! FUD Spreaders!!!

As for what some of my fellow posters are saying about Apple, it
almost goes without saying that you have no experience
whatsoever with anything not out of redmond. You sound like
complete idiots saything, for example, that standard keyboards/
monitors/printers/ etc... ad nauseum do not work with Mac.
There can be driver issues, but it's nothing compared to what we
have to do in Windows.

Also, MS has never had to go through a single transition that
was anywhere near the complexity of any of the following:

Apple's switch to PPC
Apple's switch to OSX
Apple's switch to Intel.

Make up some more believeable FUD, please, Apple needs the
"competition".

[Maccess]

Microsoft meets deadlines!

In case anyone missed the semantics there:

"...reason to have hope that Microsoft may yet meet its latest deadline to ship Vista."

By definition, anyone always meets the latest deadline.

Can't ship in 2006? that's easy, make the "latest deadline" 2007? Still can't meet that? make the "latest deadline" 2008.

It's the earliest declared deadline that matters, too bad that was some three years ago.

[joshuasmythe]

Ha! ;)

Funny

[Maccess]

Microsoft meets deadlines!

In case anyone missed the semantics there:

"...reason to have hope that Microsoft may yet meet its latest deadline to ship Vista."

By definition, anyone always meets the latest deadline.

Can't ship in 2006? that's easy, make the "latest deadline" 2007? Still can't meet that? make the "latest deadline" 2008.

It's the earliest declared deadline that matters, too bad that was some three years ago.

[joshuasmythe]

Ha! ;)

Funny

[maxwis]

Hope I Can Turn Off Vista Services

The only way that I get decent performance and an acceptable boot with XP is by turn off 2/3 of the services, most of which are unnecessary anyway. I hope that I can do the same thing in Vista to cull the bloat that MS is apparently building into it.

[maxwis]

Hope I Can Turn Off Vista Services

The only way that I get decent performance and an acceptable boot with XP is by turn off 2/3 of the services, most of which are unnecessary anyway. I hope that I can do the same thing in Vista to cull the bloat that MS is apparently building into it.