Comments on: Vista debut hits a delay

Microsoft puts back release date, meaning PCs with the Windows update won't go on sale in time for the holidays.

[booboo1243]

MS's best days are behind them

Loser, the entire group. If it wasn't for Bill Gates talents at being a criminal, stealing other technologies, we would never have heard of Microsoft to begin with. The rest of the world is abandoning Microsoft, it is about time the US and Britan wake up and see what is going on around us.

[anil_shanmugam]

MS's best days are behind them ???

First some line on the previous posts.

I like the way the Apple Fans are united in bashing MS (may be they are not too many or just supporting the Under dogs ;))
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Copying something that is good is not really bad :). If it is good and useful for your consumers please do it.

MS in the earlier days had a business strategy which made them M$. But today the focus is different, there is a lot of effort of emphasis on Security and Quality.

I attended one of the Security Seminars and it was refreshing to hear the Security Gurus praise MS for its effort and improvements. No other SW company has been able to rectify flaws in their SW and making it available to the public at the earliest the way MS is doing. (Don't tell me there are no glitches in other SW).

Apple users are far less when compared to the MS users, so when there is an article/news it is more widely circulated!!

MS is coming up with some cool features in Office Suite and in Vista. If you get the opportunity to see some of it in Demos it would be nice. Visit http://channel9.msdn.com/ to see some glimpses of what is happening at MS.

Every week more than 125 new employees join MS!!

[curtegg]

Interesting another slipped deadline for a bloated OS

What a dissappointment? I'm already disturbed by the fact that
the OS has high-end PC requirements. Looks like no cheap PC's
can run it, so much for the argument of cheaper PCs.

"Windows Vista will have a Hardware checker and it will rate your
system on how well it will run Vista. Look for Vista to have really
strick requirements for optimal performance. I heard reports
that it needs at least 128MB of VRAM on a discrete card to run
correctly with all the eyecandy. That will leave a lot of PC owners
looking to upgrade"

Thank you Linux and Apple for providing an OS that works on
systems that don't require optimum/high-end hardware. Nice to
see we can do more with less hardware than with the Microsoft
bloat.

Also, why is Microsoft including two versions of DirectX (9 and
10 - they say for perfomance improvements) in VISTA? *** is
with that? They massively change the APIs loosing backward
compatibility so they have both versions eating up more
precious resources on your computer. So, for gamers if you want
to run your old stuff you are stuck with more bloat on your
hardware. Gee, after 9 versions you cannot keep your APIs
stable? Microsoft you write crap!

[neocliff]

Looking Backwards...

"They massively change the APIs loosing backward compatibility
so they have both versions eating up more precious resources
on your computer."

Backwards compatibility is the bane of any software vendor. Last
time I wrote code, we didn't have a "possible future directions"
checker in the compilers. At some point in time, you end up with
hugely bloated code where much of it is just to provide
backward compatibility.

Got to cut the cord sometime....

[pankaj0684]

Make sure its better on security front

It is understandable that MS is pushing for more security and this delay is worthwhile from common user perspective as he is the one who suffers most from security related problems. Big companies have money and infrastructure to employ custom security enhencement but common user and small businesses.

[Zymurgist]

This is probably it...

There were some leaks of the sorts of things
that were being found at MS' "Blue Hat"
conference a week or two back. Apparently there
were a number of show-stoppers demonstrated.

I am sure that MS wants Vista security to be (or
at least appear to be) at least as strong and
the OS as stable as XP prior to release.
Further, the resource issues need to be
addressed prior to release -- it's not a
practical product if it won't run well on the
majority of deployed systems.

[Wiz Wildstar]

Ms vs Apple

Having worked in the coputer field since the days of the Commodore, Color Computer, and Atari, flame wars have been resplendent. Years of experience with thousands of end-users has led me to believe that people tend to support that which they can personally utilize. The Mac OS is a very powerful system as is Microsoft's, but the learning curve to truly master either is daunting for anyone. Apple's hardware has always held a solid place in high-end graphic and video applications, but how many people are qualified to function that type of complex software environment. Microsoft opted for a totally different approach, Oversimplfication! Attempt to make a complex piece of electronic hardware useable to the masses. Initially, the idea was a good one, but over the years, they have created a user base that has come to expect that same over-simplified system. Sorry, but there is no way any OS can solve problems like steadily changing formats of streaming data, broadband, CD and DVD formats etc.. The bottom line is simple, if you oversimplify too much, the end product becomes almost unwieldly. Like a frying pan with ten handles. All you really need is one, and if the end user cannot figure that out, then what they really need to do, is learn how to cook! The mere ownership of a Lamborghini does not make one a qualified driver.

[curtegg]

OS vs OS

Well, unix/linux is definitely king when it comes to OSs out
there. Of course if you want to really embrace a truly
revolutionary OS, might I direct your attention to the Symbolics
(LISP) Common-Lisp-Interface Messaging (CLIM) based system
(back in the 80's). That was one sweet revolutionary environment
in which there was never a more seamless way to deal with
graphical representations in textual contexts on console I've
ever seen. Nextstep was close, but still I reminisce in the APIs it
provided for GUI design. Too bad it was on high-price
specialized hardware then. Its still out there running on top of
common-lisp but only being used in research environments for
fast proto-typing.

[TyTyson]

Macs run Windows better anyway... look....

http://gearlog.com/blogs/gearlog/archive/
2006/03/21/8212.aspx

<--- silly CNET can't do long links.

[User Information Private]

Have to wonder

I really have to wonder if MS keeps slipping and stripping planned features if more users won't get tired of it and look at alternatives.

Personally I installed Linux on one of my XP machines awhile back and was pleasantly surprised by how easy it was and the capabilities.

Granted the version I installed (Fedora Core 2) had a ways to go in terms of application support, but things like OpenOffice are coming along quickly.

[Earl Benser]

No one cares anymore....

You want Window?

Buy a cheap PC

[ScottAllenMoore]

Gartner Presentation

I saw Vista presented at a Gartner show. They had the feature "Blue screen of death" up and working. What more do they need? At one point the presenter actually said "It's been more then 10 minutes, we find it best to reboot at this point to prevent freezing". Why does the richest man in the world develop the worse software?

[PhilTR]

Criminals will love Vista

Maybe it dawned on MicroSoft that their upgradable protected environment *can* be hacked by criminals who can insert *their* upgrade code into the upgrade ready free space provided by MicroSoft upgraders who are upgrading systems where criminals are hiding their upgrade code from MicroSoft's upgraders. It's all so confusing. Best to avoid Vista altogether.

[ZeroJCF]

MAC Fanboy....ZIP It. You too Gates Lovers

First, let me start out by saying I am a Mac User. For my personal machine I use a PBook G4 12inch. But I also have multiple PCs that I use. It all comes down to what your needs are.

The reason for my Fanboy Zip it subject, is because why even say anything? Microsoft does better than anyone else at making themselves look bad, stupid, & greedy. They do not need your fanboy help.

Your like "poster child" Raider fans that make other "normal" Raider fans look like the face painted morons we see on Sunday. You know what makes people hate Macs/Windows and their respective hordes? You fanboys.

I would love to see some feedback on these articles that do not have to add the "Macs cure cancer and windows causes it" type remarks. Be real. I can think of plenty of situations where Macs can't compare with PC's and vice/versa....and the rare times where my Linux distro does what neither can do.

Like I said, it all depends on your needs, but please spare me the "cool aid drinking" remarks about Windows, Macs, and Linux. True Tech guys don?t care and use what gets the job done. When it comes down to it, we are all techno-geeks anyway....so SHUT THE YAPPER!!

Snoogins.

Linux Windows Mac

If you need three operating systems to get anything (or
EVERYTHING) done you're a fool, not a "true techno-queer."

Face it, anti-fanboy remarks are equally irritating, claiming to
not be be a fanboy is agnostic fanboyism.

How about you all just stop commenting period. No one cares
what you think, you only read each other's comments, and C|
Net's reputation has slid precipitously as a result.

C|Net, turn this **** off already.

[PCGuru]

Zip It comment.

Reguardless of the reasons people respond to these threads, I like to hear from anyone who comments on the subject. It gives a broader, more accurate, idea of what else is out there. They too, could use the same comment, and tell me or you to Zip-It.

[alucinor]

Linux Opportunities

The direction that MS is taking Windows opens great opportunities for Linux, especially in countries that are still developing their IT infrastructure.

To me it seems that Microsoft is fortifying their OS against commoditization, which takes it out of the market of Linux and closer to where OSX is, in many ways. By enriching their platform with features will still maintaining a high pricetag for an OS (high relative to the developing commodity market), Windows resembles proprietary UNIX's position today more and more.

As a result, I think in the next 20 years, you'll see Windows entrench itself firmly as the OS of choice for business power-users. People claim it is entrenched now, but I see that mostly as a result of no worthy competitors to date.

The commodity market, however, is a volume market, and I expect Linux will dominate that in the next 20 years. This is the market of fixed-function usage, thin-clients, web cafes, point-of-sales terminals, etc.

But what OS do I expect to see on a manager's desk? Windows. Or maybe OSX :)

[bureauguy]

Vista could be nice?

I work in the digital graphics field and use both Mac OSX and
Windows. At this point I have to say I much prefer OSX, but I am
interested in seeing what MS does with Vista....then I can run 2 nice
OS's!

[open-mind]

VISTA Today for only $574...

It's actually a good deal, because it comes with a free computer, a
free printer, and $200 in great free software.

http://www.pcconnection.com/ProductDetail?Sku=6317201

[landlines]

VISTA: THE SOLUTION to all your problems

Yeah, there might be a little delay, but VISTA is THE SOLUTION...because now we understand Memory Management, Graceful Degradation, and Non-Stop Computing. Blue screens are no longer even possible. We have Power Fail with Auto Restart which really works...every single time: your application restarts "hot" without missing a beat. We've also learned the difference between "Pure Data" and all other kinds of data transfers...and how vital it is to keep these two seperate! And we've finally figured out what true multitasking is.

Oh...wait...I'm sorry, I was having a flashback to 1969. I was dreaming: it's 2006 and we really
don't understand ANY of these things....NEVERMIND!!!

(Wake me when it's over and the NEXT security patch which is ready)

No way- Vista Maybe 35% in 4 years

Bill "Why yes, it's that simple three bills for vista, and 5 bills for office 2007 and you will be very productiove"
User "great- where do I buty the upgrades"
Bill "No- there are no Upgrades- you need to buy the full products"
User "Geez- but Ok I dooled out the $- why does the upgrade fail?"
Bill "Oh- I forgot to tell you- you need all new desktops, and not thos 500-1000 dollar ones you see on sale- you need to buy 1500-2500 workstations"

Yea- this product will just fly off the shelves- not.