Comments on: Microsoft looks beyond Vista, sees Vienna

The software maker has changed the code name for the Windows Vista follow-on, once known as Blackcomb.

[Montevale]

WinFS multiprocessor 64bit instant on...

Most people don't need WinFS, multiprocessor or 64bit... simply because most programs are running fast enough for thouse stupid tasks we can imagine a regular computer can be used for...
Speech recognition, video editing, 3D, thransparet access to a multi terabite storage array, multiple monitors to display all those programs running at the same time is only needed for a limited few of us who actually need them.
I don't think any kind of Windows is going to fix the mess of the modern computer architercture of the yesteryear. The design of the computer is STUPID (for a lack of a better term) it is a decades old legacy that gets more and more built upon year after year and that what x86 technology IS!!! Bottleneck over bottleneck followed by more bottlencks with the hodgepodge of different standards is an impossible task for even Microsoft to fix. I have to actually give to Microsoft a very loud round of applause for a good job they have been doing trying to tie in together all that multiplex of different chips made by different manufacturers. Think about it... Mac is made by a single company controlling EVERYTHING!!! from a single byte of code of it's OS to the last piece of hardware that goies inside, and at the end of the day MAC is not that much better then Windows. However when you think about the total control you would expect MAC to be ahead of the PC in leaps and bounds (same technology). Windows is a neverending patch up work work in progress and it doesn't matter how much you repair and upgrade you car it is never going to fly like a plane.

[Montevale]

WinFS multiprocessor 64bit instant on...

Most people don't need WinFS, multiprocessor or 64bit... simply because most programs are running fast enough for thouse stupid tasks we can imagine a regular computer can be used for...
Speech recognition, video editing, 3D, thransparet access to a multi terabite storage array, multiple monitors to display all those programs running at the same time is only needed for a limited few of us who actually need them.
I don't think any kind of Windows is going to fix the mess of the modern computer architercture of the yesteryear. The design of the computer is STUPID (for a lack of a better term) it is a decades old legacy that gets more and more built upon year after year and that what x86 technology IS!!! Bottleneck over bottleneck followed by more bottlencks with the hodgepodge of different standards is an impossible task for even Microsoft to fix. I have to actually give to Microsoft a very loud round of applause for a good job they have been doing trying to tie in together all that multiplex of different chips made by different manufacturers. Think about it... Mac is made by a single company controlling EVERYTHING!!! from a single byte of code of it's OS to the last piece of hardware that goies inside, and at the end of the day MAC is not that much better then Windows. However when you think about the total control you would expect MAC to be ahead of the PC in leaps and bounds (same technology). Windows is a neverending patch up work work in progress and it doesn't matter how much you repair and upgrade you car it is never going to fly like a plane.

[Earl Benser]

Just ran the Promo for WinFS

Sounds quite interesting, but there is one critical question. With a
relational file system, who is going to define the operative
relationships? I would hate to try to catalog my files according to
some set of criteria. I'm not sure it's even possible since the files
were never created to have distinct relationships in the first place.
WinFS could be quite useful, or a gross waste of time, depending
on how simply a user can actually get it working. The Promo was
quite vague on that issue.

[thedevilbegone]

Why, Oh, why?

Why discuss about it when you don't have it mate?

[Earl Benser]

Just ran the Promo for WinFS

Sounds quite interesting, but there is one critical question. With a
relational file system, who is going to define the operative
relationships? I would hate to try to catalog my files according to
some set of criteria. I'm not sure it's even possible since the files
were never created to have distinct relationships in the first place.
WinFS could be quite useful, or a gross waste of time, depending
on how simply a user can actually get it working. The Promo was
quite vague on that issue.

[thedevilbegone]

Why, Oh, why?

Why discuss about it when you don't have it mate?

[thedevilbegone]

Why oh, Why? You moaner..

As promised, Earl, I am copying the Apple "********" story as you called it here too. Any time you post, let me know, I am ready. Let's see how many actually feel it's a ******** story.

I do own a Mac "PC" too but now am unable to use the Fortran compiler? Why because I now have 10.4.3. I no longer can do the development I could earlier. All because.. it's another stupid Pc. And if you state that I should go get another compiler (like Benser), please feel free to buy me a new compiler. Don't give me the class act..

I own the revb imac g5 which came with tiger installed. It is buggy, things would freeze and I often required a reboot, but after 10.4.1 things seemed to settle down. I think it's an average operating system and after the next up... (10.4.3) its....
But, you jokers still don't get it? Why crib about something you don't have? Why don't you realize it's just another OEM PC?

My Mac "PC" no longer supports the Fortran compiler. (Tiger 10.4.3) So what's the point of a Mac "PC"? If you still intend to use the standard response of which serious Mac "PC" user would want to use Windows?? then matey let me know what you use it for? For running virtual PC for enabling other applications? If so, why a Mac "PC"? I can complete the task in under 500$. If your grouse is performance, then forget it, Windows XP beats the new Tiger hands down. By the way, you guys have to see the responses at the Apple site before you actually crib back to me about windows.

http://www.macworld.com/2006/01/features/imaclabtest1/index.php
For windows bashers


Why buy something for 3000$ when I can run more applications at around 500$? What's the deal paying? Why do I need virtual PC or a third party emulator as others have pointed out?

If you intend to use it somewhere and not realize where a Mac "PC"'s original position should be then just read the grouses on Mac forum before coming to windows. Start reading about the Grouses about Macs at the Apple site. (Scroll down to bottom of the page)
http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?productLearnMore=MA190Z/A

It's not less. It's more. Besides the loss of functionality of most applications, do you really want to spend 3000 dollars for a snob value "PC"?

Also if you are in the multimedia, gaming, design, publishing, the Mac "PC" can be beaten by any custom made Pc. (That's the beauty of a Windows,Unix,Linux or any other operating systems) Below is my advice.
With a 3 Ghz processor and 800 FSB, with DDR 2 memory at 4200 (1-2GB) and a 7800 (6800 or above with 256 MB of video RAM) you have a configuration to handle any application. So why an underpowered Mac "PC"?

If you want to, you can configure any system to run fine on any operating system subject to user's understanding. And as Mac "PC" fanatics you are entitled to respond. But I have only one point to make. Why crib about something you don't have? You guys must seriously be wanting it.... (Remember the old adage, join them if you can't beat them )

Now you can continue your grouse, Earl, Schmoe(K),Crusoe,Shauheen, Orazzi and the rest of your dumb marooned morons.....

[UntoldDreams]

Other than anger...

Other than the splendid anger and 20 pages of hate and insult you bring... Is there a useful opinion in there? Any rational person (who isn't doped up on anger) would summarize in one tiny paragraph.

Have a nice day.

[rjenkins1]

that's right

Really good points. I wish I had these facts when dealing with PC bashing Mac users.

Linux is good too.... http://www.systemdisc.com

[thedevilbegone]

Why oh, Why? You moaner..

As promised, Earl, I am copying the Apple "********" story as you called it here too. Any time you post, let me know, I am ready. Let's see how many actually feel it's a ******** story.

I do own a Mac "PC" too but now am unable to use the Fortran compiler? Why because I now have 10.4.3. I no longer can do the development I could earlier. All because.. it's another stupid Pc. And if you state that I should go get another compiler (like Benser), please feel free to buy me a new compiler. Don't give me the class act..

I own the revb imac g5 which came with tiger installed. It is buggy, things would freeze and I often required a reboot, but after 10.4.1 things seemed to settle down. I think it's an average operating system and after the next up... (10.4.3) its....
But, you jokers still don't get it? Why crib about something you don't have? Why don't you realize it's just another OEM PC?

My Mac "PC" no longer supports the Fortran compiler. (Tiger 10.4.3) So what's the point of a Mac "PC"? If you still intend to use the standard response of which serious Mac "PC" user would want to use Windows?? then matey let me know what you use it for? For running virtual PC for enabling other applications? If so, why a Mac "PC"? I can complete the task in under 500$. If your grouse is performance, then forget it, Windows XP beats the new Tiger hands down. By the way, you guys have to see the responses at the Apple site before you actually crib back to me about windows.

http://www.macworld.com/2006/01/features/imaclabtest1/index.php
For windows bashers


Why buy something for 3000$ when I can run more applications at around 500$? What's the deal paying? Why do I need virtual PC or a third party emulator as others have pointed out?

If you intend to use it somewhere and not realize where a Mac "PC"'s original position should be then just read the grouses on Mac forum before coming to windows. Start reading about the Grouses about Macs at the Apple site. (Scroll down to bottom of the page)
http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?productLearnMore=MA190Z/A

It's not less. It's more. Besides the loss of functionality of most applications, do you really want to spend 3000 dollars for a snob value "PC"?

Also if you are in the multimedia, gaming, design, publishing, the Mac "PC" can be beaten by any custom made Pc. (That's the beauty of a Windows,Unix,Linux or any other operating systems) Below is my advice.
With a 3 Ghz processor and 800 FSB, with DDR 2 memory at 4200 (1-2GB) and a 7800 (6800 or above with 256 MB of video RAM) you have a configuration to handle any application. So why an underpowered Mac "PC"?

If you want to, you can configure any system to run fine on any operating system subject to user's understanding. And as Mac "PC" fanatics you are entitled to respond. But I have only one point to make. Why crib about something you don't have? You guys must seriously be wanting it.... (Remember the old adage, join them if you can't beat them )

Now you can continue your grouse, Earl, Schmoe(K),Crusoe,Shauheen, Orazzi and the rest of your dumb marooned morons.....

[UntoldDreams]

Other than anger...

Other than the splendid anger and 20 pages of hate and insult you bring... Is there a useful opinion in there? Any rational person (who isn't doped up on anger) would summarize in one tiny paragraph.

Have a nice day.

[rjenkins1]

that's right

Really good points. I wish I had these facts when dealing with PC bashing Mac users.

Linux is good too.... http://www.systemdisc.com

[colllar]

RE

WinFS really seems an interesting one filesystem. If you wish to get more info on it I suppose you give a look at this source, there's plenty of useful data there.
http://www.ntfs.com/

[colllar]

RE

WinFS really seems an interesting one filesystem. If you wish to get more info on it I suppose you give a look at this source, there's plenty of useful data there.
http://www.ntfs.com/

[skitter.rusty]

Longhorn Features not used in Vista, What about Vienna?

First Watch This old Longhorn Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9ifQvQCO7Y

Many of the features shown in this Video Were not included in The Final Version of Vista! Why?

Because if the did include them, What material would they have to work with after Vista?

NOT MUCH!

Hopefully these features ARE included in Vienna.
But a bet they won't. Not all of them anyway.

[skitter.rusty]

Longhorn Features not used in Vista, What about Vienna?

First Watch This old Longhorn Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9ifQvQCO7Y

Many of the features shown in this Video Were not included in The Final Version of Vista! Why?

Because if the did include them, What material would they have to work with after Vista?

NOT MUCH!

Hopefully these features ARE included in Vienna.
But a bet they won't. Not all of them anyway.