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The software maker has changed the code name for the Windows Vista follow-on, once known as Blackcomb.

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Vista
by ipfresh January 21, 2006 1:11 AM PST
Windows Vista brings clarity to your world, so you can more safely and easily accomplish everyday tasks and instantly find what you want on your PC.

David
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How often do you think for yourself???
by Earl Benser January 21, 2006 5:54 AM PST
We already have a surplus of MS press releases - some even true.
clarity to your world?
by gmycyk191 January 21, 2006 9:37 PM PST
clarity to your world? Ok, tell me why we went to war with Iraq? That's the kind of clarity I need, not more crapware...
Vista
by ipfresh January 21, 2006 1:11 AM PST
Windows Vista brings clarity to your world, so you can more safely and easily accomplish everyday tasks and instantly find what you want on your PC.

David
Shopping Center
http://store.media-press-release.com
Uk Store
http://ukstore.media-press-release.com
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How often do you think for yourself???
by Earl Benser January 21, 2006 5:54 AM PST
We already have a surplus of MS press releases - some even true.
clarity to your world?
by gmycyk191 January 21, 2006 9:37 PM PST
clarity to your world? Ok, tell me why we went to war with Iraq? That's the kind of clarity I need, not more crapware...
RElax, folks.....
by Earl Benser January 21, 2006 6:00 AM PST
Wait until Vista actually comes out, and maybe until after Vista SP1,
and then spread the word on what and what not Vista can do.

Right now, Vista is MS smoke, surfacing only in press releases
which have a tough time being consistent. Since VISta is in
development, any claims are necessarily vaporware. No problem -
just quite claiming that Vista's wonderful features are cast in stone.

We'll see what Vista is when Vista gets here. Until then, Vista is BS.
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The December CTP Build
by LordKalthorn January 21, 2006 4:51 PM PST
The December CTP Build is a little more than smoke :P Sure it uses 840Megs of RAM and installs in little under a day on my dreadfully lackluster testing machine but it is a fantastic piece of software which quite honestly is in GUI terms decades ahead of Linux which seems still quite contentedly stuck in what Windows and Apple haven't had to use since 93/95. Security is a little over tight actually, it calls up alerts opening Control Panel subWindows. But if you can find me a better working Beta, I'll give you a cookie.

Vista is more than smoke. It is on the Bit Torrents I am told if you are really interested and don't have an MSDN.
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Apple is no better
by Andrew J Glina January 22, 2006 6:53 PM PST
I am still waiting for a new Apple OS. They have not released one since 1999.
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RElax, folks.....
by Earl Benser January 21, 2006 6:00 AM PST
Wait until Vista actually comes out, and maybe until after Vista SP1,
and then spread the word on what and what not Vista can do.

Right now, Vista is MS smoke, surfacing only in press releases
which have a tough time being consistent. Since VISta is in
development, any claims are necessarily vaporware. No problem -
just quite claiming that Vista's wonderful features are cast in stone.

We'll see what Vista is when Vista gets here. Until then, Vista is BS.
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The December CTP Build
by LordKalthorn January 21, 2006 4:51 PM PST
The December CTP Build is a little more than smoke :P Sure it uses 840Megs of RAM and installs in little under a day on my dreadfully lackluster testing machine but it is a fantastic piece of software which quite honestly is in GUI terms decades ahead of Linux which seems still quite contentedly stuck in what Windows and Apple haven't had to use since 93/95. Security is a little over tight actually, it calls up alerts opening Control Panel subWindows. But if you can find me a better working Beta, I'll give you a cookie.

Vista is more than smoke. It is on the Bit Torrents I am told if you are really interested and don't have an MSDN.
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Apple is no better
by Andrew J Glina January 22, 2006 6:53 PM PST
I am still waiting for a new Apple OS. They have not released one since 1999.
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Microsoft can barely get one OS right, why focus on two?
by BMR777 January 21, 2006 11:50 AM PST
Microsoft is like the little kid who is never happy with the new toy. They get a new one and seconds later they want something else.

Before releasing Vista, they should focus on making XP better and then they should focus on making Vista BULLETPROOF. Vista should be so secure that out of the box the dumbest user can turn it on, leave it connected to broadband forever, download whatever they want and never get a virus, spyware, or hacked. Of course this will never happen because PC makers make money whenever you buy a new PC, clueless people get a new PC to remove viruses, and in the end M$ double charges users because they couldn't get Windoze right in the first place and their users suffer for their deal with the devil.

The fact that they are thinking of a new OS after Vista makes me think they may be intentionally leaving out some great features, (such as security) just to get you to buy another OS three years down the road.

Come on M$, get one thing right for once.
BMR777
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The answer is obvious
by LordKalthorn January 21, 2006 4:46 PM PST
If they released Vista as an SP3 right now for XP; everybody would say eh its only a Service Pack who cares, even though it would be free like SP2. If they kept trying to build it with all the features they plan t have in it two years down the line it will never be released and you will never use it. Now, after everybody moans that Vista has been too long in the making and they try and get it out as fast as possible with as many features as any software team on earth would be proud to have done with the concerns Microsoft has to face, copyrights, use by practically a billion people if not more, anti-trust; you moan because they aren't putting features in it they know, you know, everybody knows they cannot do until another release cycle?

What would you have them do? What they are doing now which you are moaning at for not not being enough, release a Service Pack that you will moan about because it can't possibly be enough because it is only a Service Pack as so many did with SP2 falsly I may add, or push it back until the planned release of Vienna which you will then moan about because it is too long to wait.

There is no code in the world more than a few thousand lines long that is bulletproof, you get more than one person writing something and wholes will appear. Linux isn't bulletproof, Mac isn't bulletproof; a lot of common sense often shows both can be worse than Windows in the hands of the sort of Word Processing E-Mail sending people who are Microsoft's number one customer. You can happily leave Broadband on on any supported Windows PC properly Updated for ever and a day; but on no computer can you download whatever you want and never get a Virus. For this firstly Windows would need a full Anti-Virus kit, if Microsoft included this I am sure a lot of people would be mad; the Anti-Virus features in Vista are quite enough however for somebody who at least thinks before downloading that large DVD Zip and running it.

Wait until the Moon meets the Sun, Apple is a viable alternative to a proper Computer and Linux has a Licence that isn't a Software Virus for a Bulletproof Operating System if you will. I think I will use the best we can expect as much as I can.
Microsoft can barely get one OS right, why focus on two?
by BMR777 January 21, 2006 11:50 AM PST
Microsoft is like the little kid who is never happy with the new toy. They get a new one and seconds later they want something else.

Before releasing Vista, they should focus on making XP better and then they should focus on making Vista BULLETPROOF. Vista should be so secure that out of the box the dumbest user can turn it on, leave it connected to broadband forever, download whatever they want and never get a virus, spyware, or hacked. Of course this will never happen because PC makers make money whenever you buy a new PC, clueless people get a new PC to remove viruses, and in the end M$ double charges users because they couldn't get Windoze right in the first place and their users suffer for their deal with the devil.

The fact that they are thinking of a new OS after Vista makes me think they may be intentionally leaving out some great features, (such as security) just to get you to buy another OS three years down the road.

Come on M$, get one thing right for once.
BMR777
http://www.rusnakweb.com
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The answer is obvious
by LordKalthorn January 21, 2006 4:46 PM PST
If they released Vista as an SP3 right now for XP; everybody would say eh its only a Service Pack who cares, even though it would be free like SP2. If they kept trying to build it with all the features they plan t have in it two years down the line it will never be released and you will never use it. Now, after everybody moans that Vista has been too long in the making and they try and get it out as fast as possible with as many features as any software team on earth would be proud to have done with the concerns Microsoft has to face, copyrights, use by practically a billion people if not more, anti-trust; you moan because they aren't putting features in it they know, you know, everybody knows they cannot do until another release cycle?

What would you have them do? What they are doing now which you are moaning at for not not being enough, release a Service Pack that you will moan about because it can't possibly be enough because it is only a Service Pack as so many did with SP2 falsly I may add, or push it back until the planned release of Vienna which you will then moan about because it is too long to wait.

There is no code in the world more than a few thousand lines long that is bulletproof, you get more than one person writing something and wholes will appear. Linux isn't bulletproof, Mac isn't bulletproof; a lot of common sense often shows both can be worse than Windows in the hands of the sort of Word Processing E-Mail sending people who are Microsoft's number one customer. You can happily leave Broadband on on any supported Windows PC properly Updated for ever and a day; but on no computer can you download whatever you want and never get a Virus. For this firstly Windows would need a full Anti-Virus kit, if Microsoft included this I am sure a lot of people would be mad; the Anti-Virus features in Vista are quite enough however for somebody who at least thinks before downloading that large DVD Zip and running it.

Wait until the Moon meets the Sun, Apple is a viable alternative to a proper Computer and Linux has a Licence that isn't a Software Virus for a Bulletproof Operating System if you will. I think I will use the best we can expect as much as I can.
Microsoft's Windows, Vista and Vienna, etc., etc.
by January 21, 2006 12:20 PM PST
We all bought into the "Computer" craze for many different reasons. Microsoft corporation is in a very lucrative and competitive line of work, but don't they think they should get their first version of Windows right, before they stop all support for older versions? While they move onward and upward, many consumers feel like they have been "kicked to the curb" because of the almighty "Vista", and now talk of another one, "Vienna"? Excuse me Mr. Gates, but my money for "buying" into your programing is getting pretty low!!!
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Microsoft's Windows, Vista and Vienna, etc., etc.
by January 21, 2006 12:20 PM PST
We all bought into the "Computer" craze for many different reasons. Microsoft corporation is in a very lucrative and competitive line of work, but don't they think they should get their first version of Windows right, before they stop all support for older versions? While they move onward and upward, many consumers feel like they have been "kicked to the curb" because of the almighty "Vista", and now talk of another one, "Vienna"? Excuse me Mr. Gates, but my money for "buying" into your programing is getting pretty low!!!
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If MS Window versions are cities
by t8 January 21, 2006 3:39 PM PST
then they should use names like Bagdad or New Orleans.
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If MS Window versions are cities
by t8 January 21, 2006 3:39 PM PST
then they should use names like Bagdad or New Orleans.
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WinFS
by waymon04 January 21, 2006 4:36 PM PST
I was only looking forward to Vista for WinFS, but since its not gonna be included. What is vista gonna offer us that XP doesnt? Just a snazier look, and more resource hogging?
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WinFS
by LordKalthorn January 21, 2006 5:10 PM PST
More Security for one. And of course, a complimentary environment for WinFS when they release it if for you it is such a big deal, Vista would be the best place to sit waiting for it. Although of course personally if I was only after Vista, I would wait until Vista SP1, which is almost certainly going to have WinFS in it and buy it as an upgrade for Windows XP. They'll have WinFS out for Longhorn Server, so it won't be that long.
WinFS
by waymon04 January 21, 2006 4:36 PM PST
I was only looking forward to Vista for WinFS, but since its not gonna be included. What is vista gonna offer us that XP doesnt? Just a snazier look, and more resource hogging?
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WinFS
by LordKalthorn January 21, 2006 5:10 PM PST
More Security for one. And of course, a complimentary environment for WinFS when they release it if for you it is such a big deal, Vista would be the best place to sit waiting for it. Although of course personally if I was only after Vista, I would wait until Vista SP1, which is almost certainly going to have WinFS in it and buy it as an upgrade for Windows XP. They'll have WinFS out for Longhorn Server, so it won't be that long.
Stronger viruses, faster spreading worms, ...
by aabcdefghij987654321 January 21, 2006 6:04 PM PST
What other "features" can we look forward to?
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Stronger viruses, faster spreading worms, ...
by aabcdefghij987654321 January 21, 2006 6:04 PM PST
What other "features" can we look forward to?
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Misplacing the blame
by Deaide January 21, 2006 6:23 PM PST
Why is it that so many people think that attacks on any OS, be it Windows, OS-X or Linux, are a bug or flaw in the operating system?

A bug in a system is something which keeps the system from operating in a designed manner. If a word processing program's spell checker consistantly misspelled a word that would be a bug.

For me, as long as I don't have malware or a virus on my computer and, as a side note, the hardware drivers are written properly, it operates as it was designed to operate. I can write letters, create charts, send and recieve emails, and navigate the internet. I can copy, cut and paste files in a number of different ways. All of this funtionality coming as a result of a well written OS and ancillary software.

So should we blame OS makers for the unstable people who think it is a great kick to attack the system? I rather think we should put the blame for those attacks on the heads of those doing the attacking. Most of you blaming the OS makers for being attacked would not think of blaming the victim of a physical attack.

If you find the OS you're using to be unstable and easily attacked ask yourself if YOU have done everything you can to prevent it. Do you use a GOOD anti-virus and anti-malware program? Do you have and use file-sharing programs, downloading your problems along with the shared files? Do you have a properly configured and active firewall?

Stop blaming the victim and stop making yourself a victim. Put the blame for the majority of computer problems where they belong, on the heads of the hackers, crackers and cheats who get their kicks from causing both random and targeted havoc.

Thank you for allowing me to rant.
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Misplacing the blame
by Deaide January 21, 2006 6:23 PM PST
Why is it that so many people think that attacks on any OS, be it Windows, OS-X or Linux, are a bug or flaw in the operating system?

A bug in a system is something which keeps the system from operating in a designed manner. If a word processing program's spell checker consistantly misspelled a word that would be a bug.

For me, as long as I don't have malware or a virus on my computer and, as a side note, the hardware drivers are written properly, it operates as it was designed to operate. I can write letters, create charts, send and recieve emails, and navigate the internet. I can copy, cut and paste files in a number of different ways. All of this funtionality coming as a result of a well written OS and ancillary software.

So should we blame OS makers for the unstable people who think it is a great kick to attack the system? I rather think we should put the blame for those attacks on the heads of those doing the attacking. Most of you blaming the OS makers for being attacked would not think of blaming the victim of a physical attack.

If you find the OS you're using to be unstable and easily attacked ask yourself if YOU have done everything you can to prevent it. Do you use a GOOD anti-virus and anti-malware program? Do you have and use file-sharing programs, downloading your problems along with the shared files? Do you have a properly configured and active firewall?

Stop blaming the victim and stop making yourself a victim. Put the blame for the majority of computer problems where they belong, on the heads of the hackers, crackers and cheats who get their kicks from causing both random and targeted havoc.

Thank you for allowing me to rant.
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Windows Millennium part deux?
by gmycyk191 January 21, 2006 9:30 PM PST
Sorry gang, but Vista looks like crap. I HOPE it doesn't end up being another millennium, and run like crap.

I just don't understand why M$ just doesn't buy Intel and Dell, and bundle the entire PC, and sell it for $99 as disposable crap direct from Wal-Mart.

It would come with a 90 day hardware warranty (must be shipped back to China after getting RMA from call center in India), and FREE lifetime (web only) access to M$?s un-knowledge base.

It would come pre loaded with Windows lite and Word Pad, AOL, MSN, Real Player, i-Tunes, Vonage, Weather bug, Wal-Mart web purchase link coupons, free 30 day trial to MS?s ?one step?, or whatever the hell else they?re calling their online ?premium? services now-a-days, free 30 day trials of the new ?Office-on-the-web? service, where you get to pay just 9.99 a month to have access to a word processor, for just 12.99 a month you can have web only access to Access (for database work)
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hga
by xtksystems January 22, 2006 8:36 AM PST
good stuff man.. all those nonsense items like weatherbug which all pay to get on cheapy systems.
hga
by xtksystems January 22, 2006 8:36 AM PST
good stuff man.. all those nonsense items like weatherbug which all pay to get on cheapy systems.
Sound like...
by FlashFreeze January 22, 2006 7:41 PM PST
Sounds like the kind of downmarket approach Apple is taking, albeit with a little less ***-appeal...
Windows Millennium part deux?
by myndmelt November 11, 2006 1:22 AM PST
Vista doesnt look like crap, it doesnt run like crap as im running it now while typeing this message. Vista is going to blow all versions of windows much like XP did, its not going to be another windows Millennium. Why does everyone ignore the idea that MS is a REAL company that makes mistakes and learns from it, they dont just put out crap 5 years in the making just because they can do it like some other software developers like *couch* symantec for example. To even compare the most powerful OS to windows millenium makes you seem dense.
Windows Millennium part deux?
by myndmelt November 11, 2006 1:22 AM PST
Vista doesnt look like crap, it doesnt run like crap as im running it now while typeing this message. Vista is going to blow all versions of windows much like XP did, its not going to be another windows Millennium. Why does everyone ignore the idea that MS is a REAL company that makes mistakes and learns from it, they dont just put out crap 5 years in the making just because they can do it like some other software developers like *cough* symantec for example. To even compare the most powerful OS to windows millenium makes you seem dense.
Windows Millennium part deux?
by gmycyk191 January 21, 2006 9:30 PM PST
Sorry gang, but Vista looks like crap. I HOPE it doesn't end up being another millennium, and run like crap.

I just don't understand why M$ just doesn't buy Intel and Dell, and bundle the entire PC, and sell it for $99 as disposable crap direct from Wal-Mart.

It would come with a 90 day hardware warranty (must be shipped back to China after getting RMA from call center in India), and FREE lifetime (web only) access to M$?s un-knowledge base.

It would come pre loaded with Windows lite and Word Pad, AOL, MSN, Real Player, i-Tunes, Vonage, Weather bug, Wal-Mart web purchase link coupons, free 30 day trial to MS?s ?one step?, or whatever the hell else they?re calling their online ?premium? services now-a-days, free 30 day trials of the new ?Office-on-the-web? service, where you get to pay just 9.99 a month to have access to a word processor, for just 12.99 a month you can have web only access to Access (for database work)
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hga
by xtksystems January 22, 2006 8:36 AM PST
good stuff man.. all those nonsense items like weatherbug which all pay to get on cheapy systems.
hga
by xtksystems January 22, 2006 8:36 AM PST
good stuff man.. all those nonsense items like weatherbug which all pay to get on cheapy systems.
Sound like...
by FlashFreeze January 22, 2006 7:41 PM PST
Sounds like the kind of downmarket approach Apple is taking, albeit with a little less ***-appeal...
Windows Millennium part deux?
by myndmelt November 11, 2006 1:22 AM PST
Vista doesnt look like crap, it doesnt run like crap as im running it now while typeing this message. Vista is going to blow all versions of windows much like XP did, its not going to be another windows Millennium. Why does everyone ignore the idea that MS is a REAL company that makes mistakes and learns from it, they dont just put out crap 5 years in the making just because they can do it like some other software developers like *couch* symantec for example. To even compare the most powerful OS to windows millenium makes you seem dense.
Windows Millennium part deux?
by myndmelt November 11, 2006 1:22 AM PST
Vista doesnt look like crap, it doesnt run like crap as im running it now while typeing this message. Vista is going to blow all versions of windows much like XP did, its not going to be another windows Millennium. Why does everyone ignore the idea that MS is a REAL company that makes mistakes and learns from it, they dont just put out crap 5 years in the making just because they can do it like some other software developers like *cough* symantec for example. To even compare the most powerful OS to windows millenium makes you seem dense.
Getting a new computer
by snoonie January 22, 2006 9:51 AM PST
Because I have read that Microsoft will be stopping support for WinXP sometime in the near future, I am wondering when I should consider getting a new computer and what should I expect it to have? I don't want a MAC, I do like Windows, I don't want Linux, I just want a computer that I can use at least as long as I have used this one...7 years.
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Just a thought
by Mister C January 22, 2006 11:31 AM PST
Linux can be a real pain for any less then the hard core techie. But I came across a version that seems to be for everyone else. It looks and works like Windows and It is called Ubuntu. It is totally free, they will even send you the CD's at no cost.

Unlike most Linux that takes 3+ disks this comes on 1 and the install is real easy. I have put it on several machines, even a laptop and it went on without any problems.

The package itself contains 2 CD's. One for the install and one that allows you to run it just from the CD without any changes to you current system. That way you can see if you like it before loosing your old OS.

What I liked most was the help. They have support pages that are more complete then anything I ever saw at MS. You can check it out here:

http://ubuntuguide.org/

And you can order the CD's for free here:

https://shipit.ubuntu.com/

This is just a suggestion and it doesn't cost anything. Besides, if you don't like it you can always give the disks to some Penguinista.

Good Luck
It's a simple choice....
by Earl Benser January 22, 2006 11:55 AM PST
You like Windows, don't want a Mac, and don't want Linux. Okay,
then a Wintel PC is for you.Then two questions come up - What
are you going to do on it, and what do you want to pay for it. I
think that you need to go see Best Buy. You could order a Dell,
and that would be okay, except that I don't know how good Dell
service is. Best Buy sells equivalent computers for equivalent
prices, and they have service right at the store, plus an excellent
warrantee plan.

Go see a salsman, tell him what you think you want, see what he
has to offer, and make your choice. You'll be in pretty good
shape as long as you don't get cornered by a pseudo-techie who
will spend an entire evening telling you what you should have
bought.

And keep in mind a Media Center computer is you are into
music, and photos and movies. HP is a generally good brand, but
there are others as well. Just choose a brand you recognize. You
should do very well for less than $1000 for a computer which
should last you another 7 years or more.

And this advice is not biased. I use Mac's mostly, no PC's, and
have no connection with Best Buy or any other electronics store.
And I certainly am not going to make a nickel off of any decision
you make.
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Getting a new computer
by snoonie January 22, 2006 9:51 AM PST
Because I have read that Microsoft will be stopping support for WinXP sometime in the near future, I am wondering when I should consider getting a new computer and what should I expect it to have? I don't want a MAC, I do like Windows, I don't want Linux, I just want a computer that I can use at least as long as I have used this one...7 years.
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Just a thought
by Mister C January 22, 2006 11:31 AM PST
Linux can be a real pain for any less then the hard core techie. But I came across a version that seems to be for everyone else. It looks and works like Windows and It is called Ubuntu. It is totally free, they will even send you the CD's at no cost.

Unlike most Linux that takes 3+ disks this comes on 1 and the install is real easy. I have put it on several machines, even a laptop and it went on without any problems.

The package itself contains 2 CD's. One for the install and one that allows you to run it just from the CD without any changes to you current system. That way you can see if you like it before loosing your old OS.

What I liked most was the help. They have support pages that are more complete then anything I ever saw at MS. You can check it out here:

http://ubuntuguide.org/

And you can order the CD's for free here:

https://shipit.ubuntu.com/

This is just a suggestion and it doesn't cost anything. Besides, if you don't like it you can always give the disks to some Penguinista.

Good Luck
It's a simple choice....
by Earl Benser January 22, 2006 11:55 AM PST
You like Windows, don't want a Mac, and don't want Linux. Okay,
then a Wintel PC is for you.Then two questions come up - What
are you going to do on it, and what do you want to pay for it. I
think that you need to go see Best Buy. You could order a Dell,
and that would be okay, except that I don't know how good Dell
service is. Best Buy sells equivalent computers for equivalent
prices, and they have service right at the store, plus an excellent
warrantee plan.

Go see a salsman, tell him what you think you want, see what he
has to offer, and make your choice. You'll be in pretty good
shape as long as you don't get cornered by a pseudo-techie who
will spend an entire evening telling you what you should have
bought.

And keep in mind a Media Center computer is you are into
music, and photos and movies. HP is a generally good brand, but
there are others as well. Just choose a brand you recognize. You
should do very well for less than $1000 for a computer which
should last you another 7 years or more.

And this advice is not biased. I use Mac's mostly, no PC's, and
have no connection with Best Buy or any other electronics store.
And I certainly am not going to make a nickel off of any decision
you make.
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