Comments on: Much ado over Apple-Intel developer box

Fans upset over security chip designed to prevent the loading of the new Intel-centered Mac OS onto non-Apple machines.

[ajbright]

Why is anyone surprised by this?

Apple have never had it's customers interests at heart with any of it's products. Why should their latest PC be any different?

Everything they sell is based on closing out competing products so they can charge twice as much as their equivalents in each market.

And for some reason Apple customers just keep on lining up, waiting to be ripped off by the next product Steve Jobs can think of.

$30 Walkmans? We can sell those for $300+ just by sticking a little i and a half eaten apple on the front of them.
$10 Mice? We can sell those for $50 just by sticking a little i and a half eaten apple on the front of them.
$300 Computers? We can sell those for $600, without keyboards, mice or monitors, just by sticking a little i and a half eaten apple on the front of them.
$800 Laptops? We can sell those for $1500 just by sticking a little i and a half eaten apple on the front of them.
Free OS Upgrades? We can sell those for $100+ just be sticking a little i and a half eaten apple on the boxes.
Allow their users to use anything not made by Apple or sold from an Apple website? Not a chance, if you bought our device, you have to buy our content or it's useless. Why should we care, you're the idiot that keeps coming back to buy stuff you could get for a fraction of the price from anywhere else. All we have to do to get more money out of you is stick a little i and a half eaten apple on the front of anything we feel like overpricing.

Say what you will about Apple, but they sure know how to get money out of idiots.

How much have they made from you, then?

Considering your comments are some of the most idiotic I have ever seen, then Apple must have surely made a bundle off of you.

[ajbright]

Why is anyone surprised by this?

Apple have never had it's customers interests at heart with any of it's products. Why should their latest PC be any different?

Everything they sell is based on closing out competing products so they can charge twice as much as their equivalents in each market.

And for some reason Apple customers just keep on lining up, waiting to be ripped off by the next product Steve Jobs can think of.

$30 Walkmans? We can sell those for $300+ just by sticking a little i and a half eaten apple on the front of them.
$10 Mice? We can sell those for $50 just by sticking a little i and a half eaten apple on the front of them.
$300 Computers? We can sell those for $600, without keyboards, mice or monitors, just by sticking a little i and a half eaten apple on the front of them.
$800 Laptops? We can sell those for $1500 just by sticking a little i and a half eaten apple on the front of them.
Free OS Upgrades? We can sell those for $100+ just be sticking a little i and a half eaten apple on the boxes.
Allow their users to use anything not made by Apple or sold from an Apple website? Not a chance, if you bought our device, you have to buy our content or it's useless. Why should we care, you're the idiot that keeps coming back to buy stuff you could get for a fraction of the price from anywhere else. All we have to do to get more money out of you is stick a little i and a half eaten apple on the front of anything we feel like overpricing.

Say what you will about Apple, but they sure know how to get money out of idiots.

How much have they made from you, then?

Considering your comments are some of the most idiotic I have ever seen, then Apple must have surely made a bundle off of you.

[hetzbh]

There's a rule

Where the is a big demand, there will be a supply.

Go ask Microsoft or anyone else how many MOD kits were available in the last few years for XBOX.

Does Apple really think that adding a TPM chip will prevent non Apple branded X86 machines running OS X? what would stop anyone from starting selling a PCI card with a TPM chip and an upgradable firmware? The OS woudn't know much about it (it can be hidden pretty easily). With this kind of MOD, if Apple will block such a card, the vendor can release a firmware upgrade to override this "lock" - and it becomes a cat and mouse game.

Think it won't happend? just wait and see...

Hetz

[Thrudheim]

It probably will,

but that is different. People savvy enought to get around the
roadblocks are not the average user. They will understand that
they are hacking a system and will not expect Apple to provide
technical support for their endeavors.

That is different from selling a boxed copy of the OS to the
average joe, who will call Apple when there are problems
running it on his cheap Intel box with who-knows-what for
components. The support costs would far outweigh the profit.
Much better that they spend a few hundred more and get a Mac
mini!

[hetzbh]

There's a rule

Where the is a big demand, there will be a supply.

Go ask Microsoft or anyone else how many MOD kits were available in the last few years for XBOX.

Does Apple really think that adding a TPM chip will prevent non Apple branded X86 machines running OS X? what would stop anyone from starting selling a PCI card with a TPM chip and an upgradable firmware? The OS woudn't know much about it (it can be hidden pretty easily). With this kind of MOD, if Apple will block such a card, the vendor can release a firmware upgrade to override this "lock" - and it becomes a cat and mouse game.

Think it won't happend? just wait and see...

Hetz

[Thrudheim]

It probably will,

but that is different. People savvy enought to get around the
roadblocks are not the average user. They will understand that
they are hacking a system and will not expect Apple to provide
technical support for their endeavors.

That is different from selling a boxed copy of the OS to the
average joe, who will call Apple when there are problems
running it on his cheap Intel box with who-knows-what for
components. The support costs would far outweigh the profit.
Much better that they spend a few hundred more and get a Mac
mini!

[Thomas, David]

SO MANY CONFUSED PEOPLE HERE

Apple computers aren't really going to change, architectually.
How a computer is built isn't really centered around the
processor. That is just ONE part of the computer. Why soooooo
many of you don't understand that (and claim to be savvy about
building computers), is totally beyond me.

The ONLY thing really slated to change in an Apple computer, is
the CPU. Apple has always coupled the design of the software
and hardware. That is the reason why the computers are so
beloved by the people who use them.

If you really think that the commercial version of OSX will run on
just any Intel box, then you are smoking crack. Apple does not
want billions of phone calls from fools who think it would work,
and try it.

There is an open source version of the operating system
available, that you CAN compile and run on any box. But beware,
it is only a subset of the final OS being shipped from Apple. So,
if you are so upset about it, you can install the open source
project.

Look, people don't just buy Apple computers for the Operating
System. It is the overal form and function marriage of the
hardware and software. Remember the Apple clones?! Apple
had set guidelines for how those boxes were supposed to be
built. Instead, the clone makers ignored those guidelines, and
when newer versions of the operating system were released,
almost all of those tweaked, and over-clocked clones could not
run the new OSs. This is the same damn thing.

So many of you profess to be intelligent about hardware. But if I
were to base that on what evidenced here, I would have to say
that most of you are just hacks, who love to spout about things
you know so little about.

Gee, did I sound pissed off. Hmmm guess I am.

[Earl Benser]

Maybe it reads this way....

First, OS X will NOT run on a standard PC = the OS expects too
many features not included in the PC design. But that doesn't
mean that someone couldn't try to load OS X on a PC.

Second, to keep things under control, Apple is putting a
signature chip into the MacTel - which simply lets the OS X
install program know that the platform actually is a MacTel, and
that the installed OS will work correctly. Thus Apple doesn't have
to worry about any abortive installation of OS X on a regular PC.

Or so it reads to me now, after a closer look at the article. And it
makes very good sense to me, The TMP chip will be a valuable
addition to the MacTel.

[Thomas, David]

SO MANY CONFUSED PEOPLE HERE

Apple computers aren't really going to change, architectually.
How a computer is built isn't really centered around the
processor. That is just ONE part of the computer. Why soooooo
many of you don't understand that (and claim to be savvy about
building computers), is totally beyond me.

The ONLY thing really slated to change in an Apple computer, is
the CPU. Apple has always coupled the design of the software
and hardware. That is the reason why the computers are so
beloved by the people who use them.

If you really think that the commercial version of OSX will run on
just any Intel box, then you are smoking crack. Apple does not
want billions of phone calls from fools who think it would work,
and try it.

There is an open source version of the operating system
available, that you CAN compile and run on any box. But beware,
it is only a subset of the final OS being shipped from Apple. So,
if you are so upset about it, you can install the open source
project.

Look, people don't just buy Apple computers for the Operating
System. It is the overal form and function marriage of the
hardware and software. Remember the Apple clones?! Apple
had set guidelines for how those boxes were supposed to be
built. Instead, the clone makers ignored those guidelines, and
when newer versions of the operating system were released,
almost all of those tweaked, and over-clocked clones could not
run the new OSs. This is the same damn thing.

So many of you profess to be intelligent about hardware. But if I
were to base that on what evidenced here, I would have to say
that most of you are just hacks, who love to spout about things
you know so little about.

Gee, did I sound pissed off. Hmmm guess I am.

[Earl Benser]

Maybe it reads this way....

First, OS X will NOT run on a standard PC = the OS expects too
many features not included in the PC design. But that doesn't
mean that someone couldn't try to load OS X on a PC.

Second, to keep things under control, Apple is putting a
signature chip into the MacTel - which simply lets the OS X
install program know that the platform actually is a MacTel, and
that the installed OS will work correctly. Thus Apple doesn't have
to worry about any abortive installation of OS X on a regular PC.

Or so it reads to me now, after a closer look at the article. And it
makes very good sense to me, The TMP chip will be a valuable
addition to the MacTel.

[Bob Brinkman]

Am I the only one?

I don't use Macs because I enjoy being able build my own PC and choose my own software/OS. I'm sure Apple makes a quality product, I just won't buy it for the same reason I wouldn't by a Dell or an HP. I want a PC that does what I need it to do that I can upgrade as needed.

[Earl Benser]

It's your game to play...

... If that's what you enjoy, go for it. Mac's have never been for the
build-it-youselfer, at least not since the days of the Mac-enstein.
Apple believes that tight hardware control provides the quality
inherent in the Mac, and I tend to agree. So the build it yourself
Mac is not likely to ever show up. And you'll have all the
opportunities you want to build and upgrade your PC.

Have a ball ;-)

[Bob Brinkman]

Am I the only one?

I don't use Macs because I enjoy being able build my own PC and choose my own software/OS. I'm sure Apple makes a quality product, I just won't buy it for the same reason I wouldn't by a Dell or an HP. I want a PC that does what I need it to do that I can upgrade as needed.

[Earl Benser]

It's your game to play...

... If that's what you enjoy, go for it. Mac's have never been for the
build-it-youselfer, at least not since the days of the Mac-enstein.
Apple believes that tight hardware control provides the quality
inherent in the Mac, and I tend to agree. So the build it yourself
Mac is not likely to ever show up. And you'll have all the
opportunities you want to build and upgrade your PC.

Have a ball ;-)