Comments on: Antipiracy flub for Microsoft

Hackers publish a second way to bypass Microsoft's Windows Genuine Advantage, its newly launched antipiracy software.

[PolarUpgrade]

Value is Reallu Just Opportunity to Pay More

With all due respect to Microsoft Corporation, and I say this as a customer of MS for years with thousands of dollars spent on MS products, the so-called Genuine Advantages appear to be little more than discounted purchase opportunities, and the opportunity to be subject to a modern corporate equivalent of vigilante justice, especially as it relates to the growing DRM in Windows as we know it.

If one goes to the Genuine Advantage site where supposed free stuff is available, one sees a one-time discount on the perpetual-pay rentalware version of Outlook, and, among other not-too-hot deals, and opportunity to purchase some uninteresting online MS games at 50% off, and so forth.

Mr. Gates, these are conventionally known as commercial promotions; they are no more Advantages to we legal users than the "low-cost 3 months discount price" DSL service I am receiving, because, like my DSL "offer" from my ISP, I still have to pay something over time. And what I pay over time far outweighs what I gain.

We legal users also get to download the latest DRM-enabled MS Media Player, which includes a license term that allows MS or its partners to remotely disable PC functionality should they think we are doing something naughty copyright-wise.

How, with all due respect, is forcing us to let the content and/or software sector act as judge, jury and license executioner any advantage in practice, for anyone except the judge, the jury and the executioner?

At the very least let's see a right of appeal to public law courts when a Windows or Media Player user is to be license-snuffed by this vigilante justice system called Genuine Advantage and/or DRM.

And, please, stop claiming theere is a benefit when all we get for being honest is the opportunity to be controlled remotely, and to spend more money.

[ray08]

Looks like security updates require validation also

Last night I went to do my routine hourly M$ security update check and was asked to validate after checking either "Custom" or "Express" buttons. Looks like I'll have to download SP2 and other security updates to the HDD as files and then burn them to CD, since Windows frequently needs to be reinstalled in my house. (I have 4 PC's to maintain, and frequently upgrade hardware like Mobo and CPU's) I'm not letting the "Genuine Advantage" make my life any worse than M$ already has!

[thedreaming]

Here's a question

You have 4 pcs at home to maintain. Did you purchase a separate copy of windows xp for each pc? If microsoft has it's way, you'll have to.

Sounds to me like MS is looking for new help

Isn't that what companies do now. Find the hackers that cost them millions of bux, then turn around to hire them so they can make a more stable product? In any case, I'm sitting on the fence for this one. I do agree with MS trying to protect their OS, but on the flip side, by denying everyone using their OS (which is a security risk from hell), all the peeps that can't update are now going to be carriers of every virus and spyware hit on the internet. So in a since, they will now be helping spread this crap on the net.

Pay up.

How does anyone justify using pirated or improperly licensed software. While Microsoft may not be perceived as a victim, the simple truth is that software development is a business and all businesses and their employees deserve to get paid for their work. If you don't like Microsoft vote with your wallet. Their is no justification for stealing.

[aemarques]

Amazing...

So, just let me get this straight: MS software sucks, but EVERYONE wants to have it, and even think of ways of getting it without paying for it.
Hummmm. I thought the idea was to use a Mac or get Linux instead. After all, all you want to do is stealing "bad" software.
Disgusting...

[Buzz_Friendly]

Well here is another little problem

I got a small network I take care of. Windows XP On the desktops Fedora Linux servers. As the sysadmin (go me) I use Linux to take care of everything including downloads. You know little things like MS AntiSpyware. Well I can no longer download it from MS on my Linux box (well at least from MS anyway) without that stupid WGA. I really have to blame myself here really. The owner wanted to make everything Linux not just the servers and I like an idiot talked him out of it. Lesson learner "The customer is always right"

[heystoopid]

One In Three a pirate copy true or false?

Hmm , just where do they dream up these piracy numbers, is think of a number and multiply by a factor of 10,000? Strangely this number cited is identical to the same figure cited by RIAA, for pirated music cd's available to John C, given annual global sales this would mean that the dread pirates would require to run a factory or network or equivalent size to the big 4 major players! Even taking into account total retail sales of all independent sunday flea markets combined do not even come close to the annual retail sales on even one of the major players, or even one third of the declared annual retail sales @ M$. But then again by bypassing M$ WGA check, is a good indicator how weak buggy and error ridden the software is that they supply! You pays your money, and M$ whats you to pay more for less and less everyday! Linux is looking better everyday since you can compile from source to suit your needs!

[robbtuck]

DUH

"Microsoft has estimated that roughly a third of the Windows copies installed worldwide are pirated."

The real answer is the one they don't want to hear...LOWER THE PRICE!!!!

[R. U. Sirius]

What a pile of steaming....

bull pucky:

""Because of the high value we are providing to genuine users...."

Yeah right. I say this with heavy heart, being a long time Microsoft supporter, but it is time for me to dump Microsoft.

[System Tyrant]

Easier for the pirates...

than for the legit user. None of Microsoft piracy tatics have worked. It's easier to steal Microsoft products than to buy them. It has nothing to do with cost or the company. People will steal anything if they think they can get away with it.

Product activation, etc. just doesn't work when people can bypass it.

[zaznet]

Who gets hurt?

The hackers certainly are not hurting, they find ways around it and get the benefits of WGA. They will continue to find ways around these "protections" every time a new method is introduced. The people who are hurt are those who do not try to circumvent those methods, the delays in downloading extra code and waiting on servers to revalidate our key for the millionth time.

All that copy protection accomplishes is to make using the product more cumbersome to the general user who is also their primary customer.

Doesn't confirm my versions

I am not so sure about this anti whatever stuff MS is trying to do. I have a Sony Vaio purchased new and a Dell Demension 3000 purchased new. Both came with XP Home installed from the factory. Neither will verify as valid versions of XP. So what do I do now? Seems either Sony and Dell are selling stolen software of the validation system does not work well.

Richard

[thedreaming]

Knew that would happen

Sooner or later, I knew that WGA would smack them right in the face! Windows came with your machine and it's a brand name, so the oem version on your machine is 100%, but the stupid WGA doesn't agree with you and now you're SOL! I just knew it!

[Rijswijk]

whois the looser Now.

genuine advantage hmmm....

internet explorer 7 only for authenticated windows systems cool that will finally help fire fox/Netscape get minimal 33% of the browser market again.

xp users etc has to be genuine now to use windows update Hmm. OK Linux will now have a 33% market share in operating systems now

33% of all computers will not need Net framework ever again

33% of all computers will never need windows media anymore

33% of computers will not need directX products anymore

33% of computers will never really need MS office/outlook anymore

66% of computers will have 100% proof that they paid for all of above

66% of all computers will continue to have MS security risks/vulnerabilities/Bugs share with each other


ummmm WHOIS THE LOSER NOW !!!! ROFLMAO

[Rijswijk]

EDIT

BTW the above is based on the fact that 33% of Windows users are crooks and does not even consider current Genuine Company's/owners/users getting feed up with Microsoft putting more effort in securing there products against theft than securing them against bugs/security flaws and switching to more stable/secure "FREE" products

[nxx]

catcha 22

After manually un-installing Norton System Works, Windows Search was hosed as was Java scripting, which prevented me from accessing Windows Update.

A Google search led me to believe the problem was with Windows Scripting. I found the download on the MS site, but it wanted me to "verify" first... which of course, failed.

I finally found the Win Script file on another site and managed to install it, which so far has fixed the problems.