I have two Dell Dimension 4550s. These computers are 3 years old and they still aren't obsolete, despite what the marketers tell me. If I spend several thousand dollars, I can buy a pair of machines that are, at most, 40% faster and include a bunch of bells and whistles that aren't especially compelling. NCQ, DEP, and 64 bit extensions for software that for all practical purposes does not yet exist -- whee!
I am not going to buy a Macintosh to run OS X. I am not going to buy a MacIntel to run OS X. (OT: If you haven't guessed, I am not going to buy new machines to run Vista.) Apple has marketed nothing to me, and is irrelevant. Microsoft is going to market this feature to me, and I will eventually buy it.
Whine about who gets credit until you have a stress induced heart attack, but I spend the money, and I make the rules. I and a lot of the other 90% of the existing computer market are going to have more interest in Vista than OS X because Vista will run on my existing machines. Apple has had too little market share for far too long to dictate that consumers will have to buy new hardware simply to get a new and supposedly better OS, and that is why Apple is going to remain a bit player in both hardware and OSes for the foreseeable future.
Well... Ok fine, I admit it, I like the eye candies of OS X so I'm just glad some of them are in Windows as well.
I am not exactly excited about the transparent window stuffs but really more with the new applications: Windows Defender (because it needs defending alright), Windows Calendar, Windows Mail and Windows Media Player 11 (beautiful copy of the centered Quicktime controls).
And of course on the technical side, Windows Presentation Foundation, Windows Communication Foundation, Windows Workflow Foundation and the new security (attempt) features.
C'mon. I know Mac users can be annoying, but OS X is a really nice piece of software engineering, and certainly no toy.
If it was that bad, MS wouldn't be implementing so many of the same ideas in Vista - and you can always drop down to the Unix CLI if you want to do real men's work - although of course you can't make the machines, even the quad-core G5s, look ugly enough to convince people they must be serious.
More stable. Less efficient. Lost the war by being unable to deliver - Apple's kernel is a hybrid kernel. MS still have a project looking at a microkernel and one day a true microkernel system may become viable - just as Unix was a non-viable choice for a home computer OS back in the late 80s.
And yeah, the MS kernel has been pretty stable for some time, but they're still plagued by problems caused by third party drivers. (I know, I saw my first BSOD in years last week after installing printer drivers).
Again - if the Unix approach is so bad, why are MS further isolating the kernel from drivers in Vista?
If they didn't put this stuff in, Apple fans would say 'OS X can do blah'. If they do, they've copied it.
I'm a Mac user but somewhat realistic - and also aware that the likes of RiscOS, BeOS and Sun all contributed ideas that the public think are Apple's, just like Xerox did.
A good idea is a good idea. The best thing to do is better it, but the worst thing to do is something different just for the sake of it.
Funny, I'm sat here being able to use the scroll wheel to zoom around, with the right click working, and the ability to instantly zoom out 10 different windows using a single (middle) mouse click (and it uses my graphics card to make that happen), then zoom back in to the one I want. No alt-tab switching.
It's worth reading an essay over on Joel on Software on this very subject. Anyone switching from one system to the other feels that way - it's not working the way you expect so you find it unproductive. It's not, it is just different. You have years of skills built up using Windows that no longer apply, and that makes you blame the system.
Mac users will argue that Macs are more productive. The truth is that productive working methods are more productive.
Also the 'on stabilisers' comment is a bit off. You're mistaking something that is designed to be 'easy to learn' as 'limited'. If you want to take the stabilisers off, you can get right down to the Unix terminal.
IMO, Vista has been stripped down to XP SP3 which is bad enough. Add in its draconian DRM and a Vista computer will no longer be a PC (Personal Computer) since you will be severely limited in what you can do on it compared to XP.
As far as I'm concerned it will be a machine limited to those tasks that the MPAA, RIAA, and Microsoft choose to allow (subject to change).
That goodness that the day when you HAD to run Windows on a business machine are long gone.
I work with a major corporation that has thousands of Windows 2000 boxes running with a lot of custom software on them. When the company tried XP, everything failed and M$ told them to get new software. That wasn't a viable option due to time so, the work-horse systems remained at Windows 2000. That is where they remain today.
The company spent thousands of dollars and bought those extorted upgrade licenses only to find that nothing would be delivered for years. Remember those?
Buying Vista isn't even on the horizon as an upgrade and migration strategy. If there is another desktop OS, the future will probably not be a Microsoft product at all.
If that major corporation is stupid enough to not be sure their software is compatible with a new OS before going for it, that's their problem, not Microsoft's. And if you're going to talk about compatiblity, I'd love to see you naming a single OS that gives you more flexiblity in that field.
Regarding the so-called "extorted" upgrade licenses, I don't know exactly what you consider "extorted", maybe the fact you can't just use them in illegal ways.
What I do remember is many people saying Microsoft would never come out with an acceptable OS and now that Vista is coming out those people are simply being proven wrong.
Buying Vista may not be on *your* or *your company's* horizon as an upgrade and migration strategy, but I hope you're not assuming every person/company will be as dumb as to never upgrade to Vista, because a recent study by IDC reveals more than 75% worldwide enterprises are planning to, sooner or later, make that step. And if *your* future will probably not be a Microsoft product at all, if there is another desktop OS (yes, there *are*, you should learn before you talk), I wish you good luck making your software work on it, the rest of the more than 85% of the markt will sooner or later be running Vista, you can bet on that.
Sounds like this new version of Windows is just Microsofts way of stealing all the stuff that Apple already uses... and this is comming for a person who uses maily microsoft. Just another attempt by Mircosoft to step-up to the Apple level.
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I have two Dell Dimension 4550s. These computers are 3 years old and they still aren't obsolete, despite what the marketers tell me. If I spend several thousand dollars, I can buy a pair of machines that are, at most, 40% faster and include a bunch of bells and whistles that aren't especially compelling. NCQ, DEP, and 64 bit extensions for software that for all practical purposes does not yet exist -- whee!
I am not going to buy a Macintosh to run OS X. I am not going to buy a MacIntel to run OS X. (OT: If you haven't guessed, I am not going to buy new machines to run Vista.) Apple has marketed nothing to me, and is irrelevant. Microsoft is going to market this feature to me, and I will eventually buy it.
Whine about who gets credit until you have a stress induced heart attack, but I spend the money, and I make the rules. I and a lot of the other 90% of the existing computer market are going to have more interest in Vista than OS X because Vista will run on my existing machines. Apple has had too little market share for far too long to dictate that consumers will have to buy new hardware simply to get a new and supposedly better OS, and that is why Apple is going to remain a bit player in both hardware and OSes for the foreseeable future.
Well... Ok fine, I admit it, I like the eye candies of OS X so I'm just glad some of them are in Windows as well.
I am not exactly excited about the transparent window stuffs but really more with the new applications: Windows Defender (because it needs defending alright), Windows Calendar, Windows Mail and Windows Media Player 11 (beautiful copy of the centered Quicktime controls).
And of course on the technical side, Windows Presentation Foundation, Windows Communication Foundation, Windows Workflow Foundation and the new security (attempt) features.
How much did microsoft pay news.com paid for this article?
piece of software engineering, and certainly no toy.
If it was that bad, MS wouldn't be implementing so many of the
same ideas in Vista - and you can always drop down to the Unix
CLI if you want to do real men's work - although of course you
can't make the machines, even the quad-core G5s, look ugly
enough to convince people they must be serious.
deliver - Apple's kernel is a hybrid kernel. MS still have a project
looking at a microkernel and one day a true microkernel system
may become viable - just as Unix was a non-viable choice for a
home computer OS back in the late 80s.
And yeah, the MS kernel has been pretty stable for some time,
but they're still plagued by problems caused by third party
drivers. (I know, I saw my first BSOD in years last week after
installing printer drivers).
Again - if the Unix approach is so bad, why are MS further
isolating the kernel from drivers in Vista?
If they didn't put this stuff in, Apple fans would say 'OS X can do
blah'. If they do, they've copied it.
I'm a Mac user but somewhat realistic - and also aware that the
likes of RiscOS, BeOS and Sun all contributed ideas that the
public think are Apple's, just like Xerox did.
A good idea is a good idea. The best thing to do is better it, but
the worst thing to do is something different just for the sake of
it.
around, with the right click working, and the ability to instantly
zoom out 10 different windows using a single (middle) mouse
click (and it uses my graphics card to make that happen), then
zoom back in to the one I want. No alt-tab switching.
It's worth reading an essay over on Joel on Software on this very
subject. Anyone switching from one system to the other feels
that way - it's not working the way you expect so you find it
unproductive. It's not, it is just different. You have years of
skills built up using Windows that no longer apply, and that
makes you blame the system.
Mac users will argue that Macs are more productive. The truth is
that productive working methods are more productive.
Also the 'on stabilisers' comment is a bit off. You're mistaking
something that is designed to be 'easy to learn' as 'limited'. If
you want to take the stabilisers off, you can get right down to
the Unix terminal.
As far as I'm concerned it will be a machine limited to those tasks that the MPAA, RIAA, and Microsoft choose to allow (subject to change).
That goodness that the day when you HAD to run Windows on a business machine are long gone.
The Dawn of Vista = The Sunset of Microsoft.
does that have anything to do with the Zune's "squirt" feature?
Longhorn...in your dreams Billy "BOB".
The company spent thousands of dollars and bought those extorted upgrade licenses only to find that nothing would be delivered for years. Remember those?
Buying Vista isn't even on the horizon as an upgrade and migration strategy. If there is another desktop OS, the future will probably not be a Microsoft product at all.
Regarding the so-called "extorted" upgrade licenses, I don't know exactly what you consider "extorted", maybe the fact you can't just use them in illegal ways.
What I do remember is many people saying Microsoft would never come out with an acceptable OS and now that Vista is coming out those people are simply being proven wrong.
Buying Vista may not be on *your* or *your company's* horizon as an upgrade and migration strategy, but I hope you're not assuming every person/company will be as dumb as to never upgrade to Vista, because a recent study by IDC reveals more than 75% worldwide enterprises are planning to, sooner or later, make that step. And if *your* future will probably not be a Microsoft product at all, if there is another desktop OS (yes, there *are*, you should learn before you talk), I wish you good luck making your software work on it, the rest of the more than 85% of the markt will sooner or later be running Vista, you can bet on that.
stealing all the stuff that Apple already uses... and this is comming
for a person who uses maily microsoft. Just another attempt by
Mircosoft to step-up to the Apple level.
AGO???
This is what happens when you update to MS Vista for BUSINESS
servers...