Comments on: PC makers: Look before taking SP2 leap

Many PC makers have a list of drivers and other patches that should be in place before installing the OS update.

[volterwd]

CNET - anti microsoft

I can understand being cautious but telling users not to patch based on misinformation and by the basis of several other articles on CNET one can only conclude that CNET is very biased against microsoft... on the other hand maybe CNET is the one writing all the viruses for windows and doesnt want people to patch.

Oh by the way i have SP2 installed, i have had NO problems and i even have some NORTON products installed which was on the list of items which may work differently with SP2 installed (as opposed to not work as CNET would have you believe). Install SP2, turn on the firewall and automatic updates, if you have problems try and resolve them... and in the end you can always uninstall SP2. Waiting on it for the home user is retarted...

[Fray9]

What article did you read?

Because the article I just read here basically said "Its not perfect there *may* be some problems, proceed with caution".

Which is exactly what Microsoft said in the first place.

I really dont see anything anti-microsoft here. In fact the article stretches pretty far to compliment MS for how SP2 was deployed.

[alek_nedic]

firewall

http://www.analogstereo.com/volvo_s80_owners_manual.htm

[jadester]

William what article are you reading?

I have to disagree with you William. This article actually states what is on the Mircosoft webpages if you'd bothered to go to the Microsoft site and read the articles yourself, which you obviously have not. If you are such a big fan of Microsoft, I would have thought you'd been to the Microsoft website and read the articles! Microsoft is just another big company with bad software period. And for your information, most home users are NOT technically savvy and don't want to update their computers because they don't know what the heck they are downloading to their computers. Then is something goes wrong, they have no idea what is wrong. So automatic updates are not for everyone. I monitor my computer at home and don't download EVERY single thing that Microsoft offers for my OS.
You really should do your homework before you post a comment like this.

[Prndll]

This is funny :)

Well, why on earth would anyone ever suggest a consumer (user) need to actually know something about the pc they bought? I was told once that just like people don't need to know anything about cars to know how to drive, people don't really need to know anything about what actually happens inside a computer in order to use it.

It is rather ridiculous to suggest such a thing. If you are not interested in knowing or understanding anything about something like this that you pay so much money for, then you deserve to have your computer hacked into via a virus.

These are NOT toys. These ARE tools. Care and wisdom must be applied to these tools. Otherwise, just like any other tool, it can be made to do harm.

I really don't care if CNET is anti-microsoft. CNET is but a drop in the bucket. What I care about is the attitude to the multitude of users. So many people seem to just not care or want to understand. THIS is what one of the biggest problems really are. Plenty of people will install SP2 just simply because Microsoft says they need to. My computer is too important to me and to expensive for me to just follow blindly. I am compelled to take the initiative to learn all I can when I can.

SP2 is a good thing

OK, so here is the thinking:

1) do not deploy SP2 - you must patch your system (using manual or auto updates), plus there are some potential future vulns that might get you. You need to have your own firewalls & must keep AV updates

Now if you are a "bad" admin of your system you will not protect it and you might get a virus (not necessarily through a vuln either, but by mail etc) - fixing this is a far greater task than fixing the very minor issues with SP2 & other apps.

2) deploy SP2 - this does need some caution - as per the article, so you read manu web site etc.
Main problems are:
1) pop-ups, so add them to the exceptions
2) Apps that want to offer services - so add them to the f/w exceptions
3) reporting via security center - many manu's already got a fix for this - but it is reporting, no system failures
4) API problem etc. This is mainly caused when people do not use auth on the calls - the answer is to ask for a patch to deliver an app that does the right thing and does auth calls.
5) very, very small number of apps - minor patches.

The problems I have seen have all been fixed very quickly - and if you are part of a larger org, these fixes can then be rolled out via policy so everyone gets a working system.

thanks

[volterwd]

Your right its a tool

but i doubt you put that much care whenever you install a progam... you expect things to work i guess.. how many progams do you have on your computer? i have maybe 50 or 60... do you check to make sure they dont break your computer before you install them... i doubt you put that much effort into each one...

you should learn... my point was that if you read SEVERAL of the articles about microsoft on CNET that you will see that there is alot of misinformation... or at least biased information... you are not getting 'facts' from cnet... you are getting biases opinions to make it seem like several things are wrong with xp and microsoft (i make no claim that there are no problems) which in fact are not.

The real problem is that people didnt install patches... thats why automatic update will be on by default in SP2, so yes you should be informed... but if CNET is biased against microsoft ... how informed will your decision be if its based on the information from CNET... THAT DOES MATTER

[volterwd]

Apparetnly your not the one reading

First off as you should have noticed i pointed out that there are several articles and that cnet has a THEME against microsoft... in other words this one article is not the big picture... look at alot of cnet articles and then you will start to see the tendancey of cnet to be against microsoft.

The fact is SP2 does not break many applications and the problem with windows users in general is that they do NOT patch... namely the patch for blaster was out months before the attack and yet how many people were infected?

Telling people not to patch is silly... there is no problem with SP2.

For example look at the article regarding windows and a amd processor... with regards to some program. (ill find the link and update later) The article would make one believe that sp2 or the amd chip causes shut downs unintentionally but in reality the program is operating as it should... some articles on cnet are very misleading and the general THEME is anti microsoft...

i bet when another virus comes out you will tell people not to patch because they should be wary? bah...

[alek_nedic]

they do NOT patch.

http://www.analogstereo.com/volvo_v50_owners_manual.htm

[volterwd]

Your right its a tool

but i doubt you put that much care whenever you install a progam... you expect things to work i guess.. how many progams do you have on your computer? i have maybe 50 or 60... do you check to make sure they dont break your computer before you install them... i doubt you put that much effort into each one...

you should learn... my point was that if you read SEVERAL of the articles about microsoft on CNET that you will see that there is alot of misinformation... or at least biased information... you are not getting 'facts' from cnet... you are getting biases opinions to make it seem like several things are wrong with xp and microsoft (i make no claim that there are no problems) which in fact are not.

The real problem is that people didnt install patches... thats why automatic update will be on by default in SP2, so yes you should be informed... but if CNET is biased against microsoft ... how informed will your decision be if its based on the information from CNET... THAT DOES MATTER

[Prndll]

Actually.......

I do take great care in what I install. I install most of my software into a seperate partition. I isolate Windows into it's own partition. Anything I want to keep; music, pictures, movies, programs, and various other information is kept on a seperate drive-away from Windows. This actually keeps things quite a bit safer. At this time, I have about 22 things installed--aside from drivers. I do not just inadvertantly install things. I do however constantly search the net for things that I could tryout and play with. There are quite a few programs out there that do not require installation.