Comments on: Microsoft to reorg; Allchin to retire

Company creates three divisions with presidents in charge and focuses on hosted services.

[powerclam]

Not retiring at all...

From article:
"Kevin Johnson and Jim Allchin will be co-presidents of the Platform Products and Services division[http://...|http://...]"

Doesn't sound like retirement to me...

[David Dudley]

They're making their shareholders happier

When you read through the PR verbage, what you really come away with is that Allchin couldn't deliver Longhorn in a timely manner, so he now has a shadow who is coming up to speed on all of Allchins responsibilities before he gets the boot (more commonly referred to as "spending more time with the family").

It was a good step to make the shareholders happy by showing that they are taking action to correct issues. But, this does not mean that Longhorn will ship out any sooner or with any near the feature set they had initially promised.

Future retirement...

The release from MS states Allchin will retire
upon release of Vista... For now, he's a
"co-president".

[zaznet]

Read further...

You didn't read the entire paragraph.

[powerclam]

Not retiring at all...

From article:
"Kevin Johnson and Jim Allchin will be co-presidents of the Platform Products and Services division[http://...|http://...]"

Doesn't sound like retirement to me...

[David Dudley]

They're making their shareholders happier

When you read through the PR verbage, what you really come away with is that Allchin couldn't deliver Longhorn in a timely manner, so he now has a shadow who is coming up to speed on all of Allchins responsibilities before he gets the boot (more commonly referred to as "spending more time with the family").

It was a good step to make the shareholders happy by showing that they are taking action to correct issues. But, this does not mean that Longhorn will ship out any sooner or with any near the feature set they had initially promised.

Future retirement...

The release from MS states Allchin will retire
upon release of Vista... For now, he's a
"co-president".

[zaznet]

Read further...

You didn't read the entire paragraph.

[Llib Setag]

ENOUGH ALREADY! CNET=VISTA PR SITE!

STOP this endless barrage of upcomming, currently vaporware
Longhorn / AstalaVista PR Web Site news!
Endless barrage of multiple stories that have already been hashed
around before about every tiny bit of news from Jurrassic Park
Redmond Campus One.

GO TO www.microsoft.com for further info & bypass C/NOT all
together.
How much money does Citizen Gates pay you per word anyway?

[TV James]

oh, please

if anything, cnet has been generally more negative about Microsoft than positive, if you were to compare the number of Microsoft stories to the number of Apple stories, Apple would get more than its fair (5%) share of coverage.

So c|net's gotten a little nicer to Microsoft now that they're mad at Google. They're still definitely no Microsoft PR firm.

[Christopher Hall]

Why do you come here?

You never seem to have anything positive to contribute. Why even bother coming if everything on the site annoys you? Are you just a glutton for punishment?

[Lord Kalthorn]

They have an e-mail address for complaints

This is a TalkBack area, it is about the story, not about the site. I'm not even sure what you would rather? Would you prefer a mindlessly Anti-Microsoft Site full of why Microsoft is a big meanie and Google and Linux and Open-Source in general and Apple and RealPlayer are all Angels of Light who dance and frolick in fields of green lush grass and bright blossoming daisies at the end of a Monopolistic tunnel of pain and destruction?

[Llib Setag]

ENOUGH ALREADY! CNET=VISTA PR SITE!

STOP this endless barrage of upcomming, currently vaporware
Longhorn / AstalaVista PR Web Site news!
Endless barrage of multiple stories that have already been hashed
around before about every tiny bit of news from Jurrassic Park
Redmond Campus One.

GO TO www.microsoft.com for further info & bypass C/NOT all
together.
How much money does Citizen Gates pay you per word anyway?

[TV James]

oh, please

if anything, cnet has been generally more negative about Microsoft than positive, if you were to compare the number of Microsoft stories to the number of Apple stories, Apple would get more than its fair (5%) share of coverage.

So c|net's gotten a little nicer to Microsoft now that they're mad at Google. They're still definitely no Microsoft PR firm.

[Christopher Hall]

Why do you come here?

You never seem to have anything positive to contribute. Why even bother coming if everything on the site annoys you? Are you just a glutton for punishment?

[Lord Kalthorn]

They have an e-mail address for complaints

This is a TalkBack area, it is about the story, not about the site. I'm not even sure what you would rather? Would you prefer a mindlessly Anti-Microsoft Site full of why Microsoft is a big meanie and Google and Linux and Open-Source in general and Apple and RealPlayer are all Angels of Light who dance and frolick in fields of green lush grass and bright blossoming daisies at the end of a Monopolistic tunnel of pain and destruction?

It's more like...

Division of OurOSorNoOS, Division of Office NoCompetitionAllowed, and Division of BrowserStandardsAreForP***ies. lol

It's more like...

Division of OurOSorNoOS, Division of Office NoCompetitionAllowed, and Division of BrowserStandardsAreForP***ies. lol

Heads are gonna Roll, the ship is unstable, Good News

Well for once they might actually be doing something to produce
positive results. Shortening the line between the customer and
the honchos at the top would be a good start, too bad they didnt
try this sooner. Keeping Jim Allchin til Vista is a sendoff that
should happen much sooner however.

This guy doesnt know his customer, or his product; when I read
his numerous interviews in eWeek and InfoWorld, he says
nothing that indicates he is even in the software business, he
sounds mostly political, like a cheap salesman in that regard.

I guess this news is more about the way those at the top of MS
are scrambling to man the ship with a new look, doing anything
they can to make some news, otherwise Google gets all the
attention.

While MS is not in danger of disappearing soon, they have hit
their peak and now must accept that they are old news, and we
customers are tired of the sloppy products we get.

[David Dudley]

Executive Management ARE Salespeople

Generally, the role of any executive is to be a politician and salesperson. How much work do you think they actually do? I would bet most of their time is spent at meetings with either other internal management or conducting/assisting sales for large customers. Munich doesn't want Windows and Office? Steve Ballmer flies out, trying his damndest to convince them to keep on giving them cash (We can't have people drop capitalism for communism, can we? Then others would surely follow suit and then goes our world economy we've fought so hard for). I've always assumed that the CEO of any company is the head salesperson of sorts and his executive underlings are his junior salesperson, doing their masters bidding.

Furthermore, if good old Jimmy Jammmers Allchin is being vague in his interviews, then how is he any different from his boss, Gates? If you read Bill's interviews, he speaks like Yoda about concepts that are supposed to be profound or grand, but really are just a rehashing of the same old same old.

Heads are gonna Roll, the ship is unstable, Good News

Well for once they might actually be doing something to produce
positive results. Shortening the line between the customer and
the honchos at the top would be a good start, too bad they didnt
try this sooner. Keeping Jim Allchin til Vista is a sendoff that
should happen much sooner however.

This guy doesnt know his customer, or his product; when I read
his numerous interviews in eWeek and InfoWorld, he says
nothing that indicates he is even in the software business, he
sounds mostly political, like a cheap salesman in that regard.

I guess this news is more about the way those at the top of MS
are scrambling to man the ship with a new look, doing anything
they can to make some news, otherwise Google gets all the
attention.

While MS is not in danger of disappearing soon, they have hit
their peak and now must accept that they are old news, and we
customers are tired of the sloppy products we get.

[David Dudley]

Executive Management ARE Salespeople

Generally, the role of any executive is to be a politician and salesperson. How much work do you think they actually do? I would bet most of their time is spent at meetings with either other internal management or conducting/assisting sales for large customers. Munich doesn't want Windows and Office? Steve Ballmer flies out, trying his damndest to convince them to keep on giving them cash (We can't have people drop capitalism for communism, can we? Then others would surely follow suit and then goes our world economy we've fought so hard for). I've always assumed that the CEO of any company is the head salesperson of sorts and his executive underlings are his junior salesperson, doing their masters bidding.

Furthermore, if good old Jimmy Jammmers Allchin is being vague in his interviews, then how is he any different from his boss, Gates? If you read Bill's interviews, he speaks like Yoda about concepts that are supposed to be profound or grand, but really are just a rehashing of the same old same old.

[technewsjunkie]

"They did what the DOJ couldn't,"

Heck if the breakuphad happened they could have been more
efficient years earlier!

Ha!

[zaznet]

They had this planned long ago

Back when the break up was a possibility Microsoft had already planned out this reorg. They instead performed a different reorg in an attempt to prove to the courts that the DoJ's suggestion wouldn't work to best meet the needs of their customers.

It is ironic that they are now going back to those old plans in order to survive in the current market.

[technewsjunkie]

"They did what the DOJ couldn't,"

Heck if the breakuphad happened they could have been more
efficient years earlier!

Ha!

[zaznet]

They had this planned long ago

Back when the break up was a possibility Microsoft had already planned out this reorg. They instead performed a different reorg in an attempt to prove to the courts that the DoJ's suggestion wouldn't work to best meet the needs of their customers.

It is ironic that they are now going back to those old plans in order to survive in the current market.

Heads are gonna Roll, the ship is unstable, Good News

Well for once they might actually be doing something to produce
positive results. Shortening the line between the customer and
the honchos at the top would be a good start, too bad they didnt
try this sooner. Keeping Jim Allchin til Vista is a sendoff that
should happen much sooner however.

This guy doesnt know his customer, or his product; when I read
his numerous interviews in eWeek and InfoWorld, he says
nothing that indicates he is even in the software business, he
sounds mostly political, like a cheap salesman in that regard.

I guess this news is more about the way those at the top of MS
are scrambling to man the ship with a new look, doing anything
they can to make some news, otherwise Google gets all the
attention.

While MS is not in danger of disappearing soon, they have hit
their peak and now must accept that they are old news, and we
customers are tired of the sloppy products we get.

Heads are gonna Roll, the ship is unstable, Good News

Well for once they might actually be doing something to produce
positive results. Shortening the line between the customer and
the honchos at the top would be a good start, too bad they didnt
try this sooner. Keeping Jim Allchin til Vista is a sendoff that
should happen much sooner however.

This guy doesnt know his customer, or his product; when I read
his numerous interviews in eWeek and InfoWorld, he says
nothing that indicates he is even in the software business, he
sounds mostly political, like a cheap salesman in that regard.

I guess this news is more about the way those at the top of MS
are scrambling to man the ship with a new look, doing anything
they can to make some news, otherwise Google gets all the
attention.

While MS is not in danger of disappearing soon, they have hit
their peak and now must accept that they are old news, and we
customers are tired of the sloppy products we get.

[TV James]

My calendar's out of whack

Usually, you could tell it was spring if Microsoft was reorganizing. But a reorg in September? This just confuses everything.

[TV James]

My calendar's out of whack

Usually, you could tell it was spring if Microsoft was reorganizing. But a reorg in September? This just confuses everything.

[cjohn17]

Capt. Balmer, the Ship is Sinking

Their just re-arranging the deck chairs on a sinking ship. With
Balmer at the helm MS is doomed. That man is a fool.

[David Dudley]

Ballmer is not the only one to blame

I wouldn't be so harsh on the man myself, but I would say that ever since he took the helm, their stock has been in a decline and their growth has slowed considerably. Obviously, he is not the only person responsible for this decline as Bill Gates and all the other execs are still there making big decisions, but Ballmer is now the "rodeo clown" who garners most of our attention.

Obviously, the company needs to rethink some of its strategies, for example investing in such expensive things that obviously cannot yield a decent ROI (buying Great Plains for example).

Maybe the weight loss program he went on a few years back zapped some of his brain power. ;)

[cjohn17]

Capt. Balmer, the Ship is Sinking

Their just re-arranging the deck chairs on a sinking ship. With
Balmer at the helm MS is doomed. That man is a fool.

[David Dudley]

Ballmer is not the only one to blame

I wouldn't be so harsh on the man myself, but I would say that ever since he took the helm, their stock has been in a decline and their growth has slowed considerably. Obviously, he is not the only person responsible for this decline as Bill Gates and all the other execs are still there making big decisions, but Ballmer is now the "rodeo clown" who garners most of our attention.

Obviously, the company needs to rethink some of its strategies, for example investing in such expensive things that obviously cannot yield a decent ROI (buying Great Plains for example).

Maybe the weight loss program he went on a few years back zapped some of his brain power. ;)

[open-mind]

Here's The Problem!

http://www.ntk.net/ballmer/mirrors.html

BALLMER STOPPED DANCIN' !!!

;-)

[open-mind]

Here's The Problem!

http://www.ntk.net/ballmer/mirrors.html

BALLMER STOPPED DANCIN' !!!

;-)

[thomcarl]

Who cares?

As of 2002 i've not used anything made by Microsoft. I feel sorry
for anyone who still has to use it. Most big companies get top
heavy and decline after a number of years, it appears that
Microsoft's time has come.

[thomcarl]

Who cares?

As of 2002 i've not used anything made by Microsoft. I feel sorry
for anyone who still has to use it. Most big companies get top
heavy and decline after a number of years, it appears that
Microsoft's time has come.