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Five years after becoming Microsoft's chief software architect, he can finally be judged on a record, CNET News.com's Charles Cooper says.

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Aptly put !
by Soliton January 13, 2005 5:33 PM PST
Couldn't have put it better myself...
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What About MSN? XBOX? CE? SharePoint?
by January 13, 2005 6:46 PM PST
Don't forget those "achievements".
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achievments?
by t8 January 13, 2005 8:03 PM PST
Anyone with stacks of money can copy other peoples ideas and innovations. Also these so called achievements are not yet profitiable or marginally so.

Hardly innovative and just shows that Gates is not a leader but a follower. His genius is in how he can copy, and using his Monopoly in one area and moving into another. Although genius maybe too strong a word. Maybe law breaker is more appropriate.
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achievements?
by t8 January 13, 2005 8:01 PM PST
Anyone with stacks of money can copy other peoples ideas and innovations. Also these so called acheivements are not yet profitiable or marginally so.

Hardly innovative and just shows that Gates is not a leader but a follower. His genius is in how he can copy, and using his Monopoly in one area and moving into another. Although genius maybe too strong a word. Maybe law breaker is more appropriate.
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Hardly innovative
by Al Johnsons June 3, 2007 11:39 AM PDT
http://www.analogstereo.com/volkswagen_jetta_owners_manual.htm
Bill Gates was responsible for all that?
by January 14, 2005 4:30 AM PST
Where does Jim Allchin's blame come in. He's in charge of the Windows division wish includes all security and IE matters. If Bill Gates was still around I doubt IE would have been integrated into the OS division.

I mean this is just crap article. Bill Gates pays more attention to Tablet PC then .net my services and the other crap his sales and marketing guys try selling.
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Story on MS not Bill Gates as developer
by VbMan January 14, 2005 9:12 AM PST
First off, MS is so big it can now be seen as a goverment than any one person leadng. MS has so many projects underneath it, it is suprising that such a large corporation still moving foward. Secondly, regarding 'the follwers' statement, yes MS always has. Then again so has Japan, the only other country that competes with us in this field. As a programmer, I know Netscape sucked, you couldn't even have two forms within a page, it was just poor. Thirdly regarding security. This is still a young industry. I mean the history of and landmarks of development are still being written. With that being said, as in all things that are young, first there is innovation, then there are those that take advantage. For example, IE has a programmable plug-in that allows it to be tied to the OS, these features allow you to get to local datastores such as text files and executables, they are called BHO(Browser Helper Objects)which were meant for innovation, for example my product a adult filter for families. Then we have people who have no respect for others and use this to create: spyware, for profit and suddenly we are all taken down by the 'quick buck philosophy'. Then we have lawmakers that pass laws against these opporunist of ill nature. It is a cycle as in any industry. Instead of educating our peers on how to avoid such things people would rather point fingers at MS. I don't remeber anyone being mad at Mr. Ford for car accidents, moonshine busines, bank robberies, DUI's and so on. So, if we are going to judge Bill Gates as a developer, we should take into account what he has been able to do as a project manger alone that no other company has been able to equal, not even Oracle. I know very little developers that are good enough to handle a project.
May the innovation continue..
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Ha!
by January 14, 2005 1:54 PM PST
Yeah, MS is innovative. There is nothing they owmn that they haven't borrowed, bought or outright stole, and then proceeded to fill it with bugs, bloat and security flaws. Even suggesting that MS is innovative is the most ignorant comment one can make about the computing world.

What MS failures and flops point to is his ineffective leadership. If you want to judge his programming skills look no further then the memory manager for early windows incarnations. Now there is some skillful, innovative programming! Who other then Gates, would dare write and release a program whose idea of proper memory management is to cause the whole system to crash when an unexpected event happens?
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Bill Gates
by January 14, 2005 9:48 AM PST
The problem with Bill Gates is that he is at
heart just a simple, immature geek who
desperately wants to be respected as a
creative force in the computer industry. That's
why you see the introduction of a lot of
awkward Microsoft products like TabletPC
and MediaCenter which have high "geek"
appeal, but are unable to make much
headway in the larger consumer market.
Although geeks like Bill Gates might accept an
occasional "blue screen of death" popping up
on their TV screen, most people want no part
of it. There seems to be little sophistication or
depth to Bill Gates' thinking concerning new
products, but simply the attitude that "if it can
be built it should be built". There is little to no
discrimination or filtering. There is little to no
thought given to the question of whether the
technology is really polished enough for the
market, or whether the technology should
remain in the lab for further development. So
while MS is putting out awkward, geek-only
products like Media Center and TabletPC,
Apple is putting out polished products like
iPod which the whole world - and not just the
geek world - appreciates.
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i agree with the previous comment
by January 14, 2005 4:28 PM PST
when the time comes you don't have to reload every year, the
software comes barely with bugs and works almost seamlessly;
you'll know its not microsoft
hhhmmm...
by Prndll January 17, 2005 11:19 AM PST
Well I for one have absolutely NO appreciation for the ipod. This device will NEVER grace my residence with it's presents. I said "presents" not "presence".

As for Gates and MS....
This kind of thinking is evident in many other industries and throughout the mass populous:
What looks good, sounds good, tastes good, or feels good-----must be good.

This thinking does not hold true to reallity, but is none the less used.

You can see this in the auto industry, the entertainment industry, politics, religion, the internet, and most any place else. People have a tendancy to place any real logic secondary to anything emotional or financial.

If you ask me.....
Gates and MS have allowed the power to goto their heads. MS is and has been becoming a controlling force that infects everyone and everything. This company will never see any of my money, respect, or admiration. The truth is that more and more people are learning about computers (and that is a very good thing). With this knowledge, more and more people are not only learning how to hack MS software but also how to fight MS. This is quite evident in the popularity of Firefox and various other programs.
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Microsoft as software for the masses
by lordjeb January 14, 2005 12:05 PM PST
Some of the other comments, as well as the article, are accurate. I think that one of the areas MS has excelled in (pun intended) is creating software that anyone can use.

I was a long-time user of WordPerfect, Lotus, Netscape, etc. and while they worked fine for me, for somebody like my Mother there was no chance. Think about great features like "Reveal Codes" in WordPerfect. It was great for figuring out what was making the formatting work the way it was, but if you tried to get a non-power-user to understand it, good luck!

Same is true for Linux vs. Windows, and even for Apple vs. PC, although in that case it's historically been hardware for the masses, since the Apple OS has always been very easy to use.
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IBM made Gates
by Stomfi January 14, 2005 8:22 PM PST
Don't forget it was IBM that made Gates rich, and taught him everything they knew about marketing to the uninformed (In IBM's case CEOs) and aquiring emerging technologies to maintain their stagnant technology leadership position. Given that Gates controlled his company's destiny and had the morals to do his infamous technology sharing deals, it is no wonder that he is able to maintain his own stagnant technology.
I say stagnant as there has been little progress in desktop workstation computing power and features since the mid 80s when MS took control of this market. One could purchase a fast 32bit Indy for about $AUD10,000 at that time. 20 years on it still costs $AUD3000 for a slower 32bit machine with similar GUI, less features and more bugs.
Who really needs a 32 bit Microsoft Moped, when we would all be a driving 256bit Rolls Royce but for Gates' marketing induced stagnation.

Technologist he is not. IBM trained marketing expert, he is.
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Emperor William: Gates[s]keeper to Cyberspace & Wizard of OZ
by Catgic January 18, 2005 3:42 AM PST
A small Yankee tweak from Up-Under, in the way of correction regarding Bloke Billy: Marketer Extraordinaire & Technologist.

I was camped out in and about the Pacific Grove-Monterey environs where Billy G. aced out Gary Kildall?s Digital Research to supply IBM with their first PC-DOS.

Trust me, mate, IBM didn?t ?train? Bill Gates as a ?marketing expect.? Harvard drop-out Bill, LEARNED THEM a thing or two about American Marketing & Capitalism that the IBM Execs must have missed in B-School. They either slept through that MBA class or their dog ate their thesis.

As we say here in Yankee Doodle Land, Bill Gates ?bought in? with IBM when he contracted to supply his MS-DOS to them for a mere pittance, while retaining full-rights to the software itself.

Besides out marketing and business maneuvering Gary Kildall, whose CP/M DR-DOS was vastly superior to Billy?s DOS Bugware 1.0, he sweet talked the business & marketing ?moguls? from IBM into letting Microsoft [him] retain full software rights to the new Microsoft IBM PC-DOS.

Who is the Techno-Visionary and Marketer Extraordinaire? Not IBM, they gave the techno-store away to spectacled Billy Boy. Not Gary Kildall, he was off sport flying somewhere while letting his wife handle closing the biggest software deal of the Millennium with client IBM, and he is no longer with us on the planet. By the process of elimination we?re left with our favorite desktop sleepin?, coffee drinkin?, pizza eatin?, code-bangin? jockey, our global Techno-Geek-in-Chief, Bronco Billy. He rode that software business brumby into submission and was, and still is, the Last-Techno-Marketer-Standing.

TECHNO-NEWS FLASH To ALL in the LAND of OZ!!! IBM did not ?make Gates rich,? Gates and American Capitalism made Gates rich.
You forgot many great products
by January 16, 2005 6:06 PM PST
For some reason, Charles Cooper chose to not mention the plethora of great products that have come out over the last 5 years. These include, but are by no means limited to the latest versions of: MSN Explorer, BizTalk Server, ISA Server, MSN Music, Speech Server, Hotmail, Exchange Server, the MSNBC Newsbot, Live Communications Server, the advances to SQL Server over the years with Notifications, Analysis, and Reporting, MSN?s Desktop Search (which Charles? chose to ding), Host Integration Server, Windows CE (Pocket PC & Smartphone), Windows XP Embedded (have you seen that thing!), Encarta and Encarta Kids, Operations Manager, MSN Messenger, Storage Server. And of course if we throw in the products that are coming out soon, such as Visual Studio (Whidbey) and SQL Server (Yukon), then it gets even better. Just think of all the technologies in these products!

Yes, I list a ton of products, but I work with all of these as part of my job or in my personal life, and trust me, they really are great products. And I?m sure I missed a few that I rely on but never even think about.

I have replied with more detail in my blog at: http://blogs.msdn.com/bgroth/archive/2005/01/14/353476.aspx
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some of tthose products are misleading
by January 16, 2005 11:44 PM PST
You comment on various applications yet many of them arent even microsoft's. For example, hotmail, well they just bought that off another independent company a long time ago, and windows CE, is just an attempt to slide into the palm OS marquet, which PALM had developed an OS for already. So if we try and analyze the list you gave we could find many products which arent really microsoft's creation, more like their development from previous ideas. But hey, thats how the industry works isnt it? Im reminded of the movie Pirates of sillicon valley which would explain this fenomenon much more than i ever could.
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Don't see much new and innovative apps in your list...
by Steven N January 17, 2005 6:33 AM PST
All of the products you named (at least those I know) are just iterations and evolutions on M$ products or products of other companies.
This article was about new products that mr. Gates would have conceived in his role as "chief Software Architect" (I think he first thought of the title "God"). Frankly I also haven't seen much of them for the past 5 years.
And yes, I want to see XP embedded (not very original too, BTW), because then I would finally be able to install XP without IE.
lol........
by Prndll January 17, 2005 11:33 AM PST
There is not a single one of these things I would ever care to use. I admit that I do not know every function of everything you named, I am however quite sure that there are better and already existing ways of doing pretty much everything that all these apps do. Part of my point is your advertisement of your "blog". I have "NO" use for blogs. Blogs to me are a complete waste of time as I can do "exactly" the same thing without a blog as you could with it and end up with cleaner code without undue hype.

So much of your list is known to contain security holes that would not have to be dealt with using something else. All this server technology....HA!
About time someone told the truth
by robbzerr January 17, 2005 5:57 AM PST
Bill Gates is a brilliant businessman... none better in our times. But an innovator, hardly. DOS came from IBM, he was smart enough to buy it cheap. The Window interface came from licensing agreements with Apple. Along with .Net is other failures, including Bob, which Gates personally approved. The past is catching up with them and a once savvy company has become as bloated as its software. And consumers still can't enjoy a platform that doesn't crash or require a background in tech support, security and programming. In his new role, Gates continues to prove that he's out of touch with the market, always playing catch up with one competitor or another... and then languishing once he's conquered those who threaten Microsoft's quickly eroding empire. Thanks for pointing out the pitfalls of the Gateskeeper of technology.
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errr... no...
by boethius70 January 17, 2005 9:57 AM PST
"DOS" did NOT "come from IBM." Lots of historical inaccuracies in these comments. The license to "Disk Operating System" was purchased from Seattle Computer Products simply because Microsoft had no time to develop an OS to sell to IBM for the original PC. SCP's product was actually called QDOS. See here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_operating_system

In fact the original writer of DOS/QDOS/etc. is Tim Paterson, who worked at SCP at the time. His web site covers a lot of his personal history and the technical history behind DOS:

http://www.patersontech.com/Dos/Articles.aspx

I believe ultimately he ended up working on-again, off-again for Microsoft for several years, at least until the late 90s.
There is one cool technology from MS
by January 17, 2005 8:50 AM PST
I agree that there hasn't been a lot of cutting edge technologies from Microsoft in recent years, but there is one that completely blew me away. It is very reliable, extremely easy to configure and use, very much leading edge. The icing on the cake is its price starting at USD 129.

The technology is MSN Direct Watch. I have been using it for few months and have fallen in love with it. Here is the link to read more about it. http://direct.msn.com/
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Another cool MS technology
by January 18, 2005 9:59 AM PST
That's great. You can gaze at your MSN Direct
Watch while sitting on another MS innovation:
The MS iLoo.
(http://news.com.com/2100-1041_3-999509.ht
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What a scam
by David Arbogast January 17, 2005 11:24 AM PST
Pick out a small collection of troubled projects and deem the lead software engineer as incompetent. This article is about as unbiased as a political convention. Give me a break already. Five years have gone by, and almost anybody who spent an hour or less doing a bit of research can find successful software products and innovations that have come out of Microsoft. (Windows XP anybody?!?) Obviously, Cooper is stirring the controversy pot again. Gee... great journalism. Decide your angle before you do your research. Hey... nothing like targeted research to support your claim, eh? *shakes head* Anything to get the readers energized. Junk Journalism.
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You make it sound so simple......
by Prndll January 17, 2005 11:42 AM PST
How can you say that XP is so good that it is innovative? lol XP has more problems and more severe problems than Windows98se. IE6 has worse security issues than IE5.5

Innovative......HA!

At best, XP handles graphics better.

I would rather use a Mac or run Linux than EVER run XP.
Design pipelines.
by Steven N January 18, 2005 3:00 AM PST
XP was on the drawingbord even before Win 2000 went to market. So way before Gates became M$ software god.
And again, XP was in no way innovative, merely an evolution of Win98 and NT/2000.
XP uses 2000 as an foundation, that was in turn an evolution of NT, the GUI part is merely a shell. All other stuff that is included is either designed to cover up design flaws (e.g. system restore) or to fix what should have worked from the beginning.
There is no innovation in M$ or Gates, only evolution, often based on the ideas of other people.

Perhaps he really did one innovation in M$, getting security on their agenda. However, this was again only a reaction to a business threat of M$.
geez
by January 18, 2005 9:36 PM PST
You really are a MS arsekisser without a clue. You are a paid MS employee, you even use all the MS approved buzzwords on cue.

Anyone who can mention XP and innovation in the same sentence without a heavy dose of sarcasm is an idiot, pure and simple.
Competence inversion
by edgebert January 17, 2005 11:41 AM PST
Charles Cooper's editorial, Gates and the code-jockey elite, criticizes Microsoft for lack of innovation & deems Bill Gates an inept software architect. Although Mr. Cooper's tone is that of a lecturing professor he stops short of handing out a grade (F?). The article fails to deliver on it's premise of resolving that ever-incessant dilemma plaguing us all: is Bill Gates really a true codewarrior?

Instead the article highlights selected corporate strategy fiasco's from the past 5 years implying that these marketing snafus prove BG's lack of programming ability. The recent CES appearance was mercifully overlooked. Mr. Cooper also states in the article that "...Microsoft has always been touchy..". & that Gates had an opportunity to "...show that he was every bit the technologist ...". Given the monopolistic realities of the marketplace we're all a little inclined to imagine Bill as the villainous chief software architect/mogul played by Tim Robbins in the movie 'Antitrust' (2001).

Mr. Cooper's comments are interesting and make for enjoyable reading. His editorial, however, serves as an abject lesson in creative incompetence as stated in Putt's Law: Technology is dominated by two types of people: those who understand what they do not manage, and those who manage what they do not understand.
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Too Negative
by Awesomebase January 17, 2005 4:34 PM PST
Well, let me first state that I am a Mac person and while it is
tempting to agree with the article in many respects, I don't
ascertain that this is all Bill Gates' fault. I mean this seems to
me like a huge company-wide problem. More importantly, there
are always going to be companies, even the best ones, that offer
products or services that will be duds... the difference with the
successful companies is if they know how to get people to be
interested in their successes. I think Microsoft has largely done
that. Of course, function and style can be argued as lacking in
many respects, but they've proven that they can sell their
products.
As far as I can tell, Microsoft's two largest problems are security
and time management. I don't think in its 20 year history it has
actually hit a deadline for a major project. More intersting is the
fact that they actually create the software to do this, so, are they
not using it? Or does it simply not work the way it is supposed
to? Who knows...
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No company can look Charles in his eyes..
by January 17, 2005 7:54 PM PST
If his comment on product security is to be taken seriously, no software company would be able to meet up with his standards. He obviously have not worked with the likes of Oracle and Linuz. Or perhaps he is just mouthing what is in the other popular press. Do your research Charles!
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product security
by Al Johnsons June 3, 2007 11:39 AM PDT
http://www.analogstereo.com/vacuum/miele_hay_fever.htm
Lack of innovation???
by May 23, 2005 3:23 AM PDT
What do people mean by innovation? Is it how many bells and whistles it has? Is it based on how original the idea was? NO. Innovation is something that changes society; that improves mankind. Microsoft is innovative because they have used EVERY business tool available to blow the competition out of the water. Hey, in the business world, ideas cannot be patented. You cannot claim you thought of something first and have it stand up in court. In the business world, an idea is no longer yours the second you make it known. The fact that Microsoft is able to take someone else's idea and make it into something great makes them a great company. Gates is a great leader from having taken a small bunch of nerds into the biggest software company on earth. Microsoft reaches into the lives if each and every person in the US, and most of the world.

I am not a Microsoft employee, nor am i an MVP, nor is my company a MS partner. My company, and I for that matter, use everything Microsoft. No other company has such a complement of differenet technologies that ALL WORK TOGETHER. I can, from anywhere in the continental US, access any piece of business data with my company from my Pocket PC, with Pocket Word, Excel, PowerPoint, or IE. I can connect to my corporate network, built using ASP.Net, SQL Server, Active Directory, all running on Windows 2003 Server. Out corporate Intranet can, using native ASP.Net technology, manipulate Excel spreadsheets, e-mail them through Exchange, and manage them via the very intelligent resources available on Server 2003. Yes, there are other companies offering other technologies that may be able to do the same thing. But MS works, and they have everything the modern business needs to compete.

Now lets talk about Open Source. Innovative, right? After all, the licensing model is considered to be something revolutionary, bound to change the world, right? I don't think so. When my software breaks, who do I go to? Who do I call? Who is accountable for the development of Linux? The fact of the matter is, no one. No one can be BECAUSE of the license. So how does that make Linux better?

If people are claiming that real innovation has to be original ideas, then fine. Microsoft is not innovative. I say innovation is what Microsoft does with its software. .Net is faster than Java, both in development and execution; Windows is more readily available, easier to install, is SUPPORTED, and there is more software available for it; Office is the easiest-to-use office productivity collection ever; the list goes on.

So, my point. Microsoft is innovative because they've changed the world through their products. And Gates has been leading the way since Microsoft and the software industry began.
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