Comments on: ISO calls for end to Open XML 'personal attacks'

The ISO committee handling OOXML braves open-source protests to meet in Oslo and works out how to ensure interoperability with ODF.
(By David Meyer of ZDNet UK)

[Commander_Spock]

Ghee Whiz, If The Thing (OOXML) Is Like A Pig In A Barrel....

... then let us say so. Why try to "hush/stifle" other people's expressions/impressions/views. :-(

One result of the SC 34 meeting was an open letter, signed by 30 members, which read: "We the undersigned participants at this SC 34 meeting wish to make it clear that we deplore the personal attacks that have been made during the (OOXML) standardization project in recent months. We believe standards debate should always be carried out with respect for all parties, even when they strongly disagree. We call on all organizations and individuals involved in SC 34 standardization to support this view, and to refrain from initiating or engaging in any such personal attacks."

Read the subject line. And, remember that: "It Is Not Going To Be Over Until The Fat Lady Sings"! ;-)

[Commander_Spock]

Additionally...

... (or If The Thing (OOXML) Is Like A Pig with Lip Sticks On and Trying To Dance An "ISO" Jig..... ;-) )

[cmwendy]

Agreed with ISO

It's time to get on with the roll out, and end the divisiveness.

[rcrusoe]

There's probably not going to be a "roll out"

The last time I checked even MS Office doesn't comply with the Open XML "standard".

And it appears many companies/governments won't even consider
using it until it is supported by a major non-Microsoft office suite.

That isn't like to be any time soon, if ever.

[jeromatron]

At least start an investigation

I think that the ISO at least needs to open an investigation considering the irregularities with the vote in so many places and ways.

[Commander_Spock]

All of this could just be Microsoft's own fault!

They had a very good chance to sit down with the Organization for the Advancement of Structured Information Standards (OASIS) Group way back then when the two groups involved would have gotten the opportunity to iron out all the interoperability issues and they did not; (now, look where this is now being addressed - at the ISO) and the story is as simple as that.

[My-Self]

interoperability/harmonization working group.

I wish them the best of lucks, as OOXML is designed from the ground up to prevent interoperability and force the use of Microsoft owned patents.

This working group must be a joke !

[SatQ]

A Joke Indeed

My thoughts exactly. What a joke.

[Commander_Spock]

"OOXML's Integrity Tests" or "'personal attacks'"?

Which one is it? :-$ ;-)

[rsnic]

ISO has nothing to do with this article.

This open letter is nothing to do with ISO.

So what 30 people who have voted for a standard in an ISO process do not represent ISO.

This Open XML process was the worst thing to happen to ISO. It has brought disrepute on the whole organisation, that you can fast track a process, override 2000+ problems that were raised by participanting standards bodies, openly bribe members and use backhanded tricks to discredit specific countries local standards bodies.

ISO now have a lot of work to do it in reevaluating their procedures.

[Commander_Spock]

Re: "ISO has nothing to do with this article."

If there is anything their (ISO's) integrity is (perhaps, for the first time in it's history) now on the line.!

[Dalkorian]

amusing

Now isn't this amusing. The ISO has basically prostituted
themselves to the evil empire and now this ISO committee wants
respect?

People don't generally respect prostitutes.

Do they consider that a "personal attack"? Maybe they could try
answering the questions they left blank, like why on earth they
would approve an "open standard" that's 6,000 pages and refers
to patented and proprietary closed standards throughout. Or
maybe why a 6,000 page document needed to be fast tracked to
begin with.

[flemingho]

ISO is useless

..for obseleting the "last current" standard, and having another one.

Why do they bother calling it a standard or even have a so called "standards" organization?

We're all going to be chasing another standard a few years from now.

Corporate facisism wins again.

[Commander_Spock]

Re: "ISO is useless"!

Maybe, they have taken the rest of the people in the world to be what they are not in this day and age. The thing is - People all over the world maybe a lot "smarter" than the folks proffering to represent the good intentions of the ISO believe they are. ;-) !

[rsnic]

ISO is not useless.

They don't just do standards in file formats. They do standards in anything you can think of, operating procedures, policy, health care, software ... Nearly every organisation uses them to some degree.

If your interested in what ISO does visit the website. You can also read the Open XML ISO/IEC DIS 29500 and its FAQ.

The last line of the FAQ on the Open XML Standards reads:
"Because continual improvement is an underlying aim of standardization, ISO and IEC will certainly be continuing to review and improve its standards development procedures."

[t8]

ISO or I$0

Did Microsoft money sway the vote?

I wouldn't put it past Microsoft to have done this.

I just can't trust them and to make them a standard bearer is just ludicrous.

ISO lost any authority they had with this stupid move.

[jdzions]

Rabid anti-microsoft response on schedule

Always nice to see the usual crew of ignorant (whether willfully or through sheer unwillingness to do any research) anti-microsoft crowd chime in with their tinfoil-hat-lined foaming mouth attacks.

If there is any party in this debate which lacks credibility, it is the "anything Microsoft is for, I'm against" folks. Check the mirror, y'all.

Meanwhile, go learn something about ISO rules, national member rules, and the history of vendor submissions of technology to ISO and other standards bodies. Try opening your eyes a bit to see which of your favorite, most-beloved companies have used those rules to achieve their aims. There's nothing to investigate here.

Look. Standards is a blood sport. If you don't understand that, you're not paying attention.

[Commander_Spock]

Whose side are you on?

Given that the world's "market share forces" may very well be the "ultimate" judge; and, not you, the Microsoft Corporation or the International Organization for Standardization (ISO)!

Read the subject line.

[gizzward]

Re:"Standards is a blood sport"

So, what you're saying is that we should get used to a standards body with no standards. Is that zen or something?