Comments on: Sun looks to sweeten Java

The Java steward plans to simplify "excessively complicated" commercial license, as it readies an overhaul of the standard.

The anti-java argument

I remember when people had a legitimate argument against Java Platform due to the Performance ratio against C++ or natively compiled code. However i have to say that even thought it's still true, it became very irrelevant thanks to todays Hardware advances.
Sure Java should not be considered in special real time critical situation still. However i am the kind of programmer who always works on Databases , networked clients for businesses like Construction, or Non profit organization, Programs that deal with daily management of large information flow. Java has proved to me repeatedly that is the most powerful platform out there. The support for back end, middle end , and specially the front end is excellent. Swing library is so powerful that actually tends to overwhelm people at first. But it became natural to me, specially with IDE like Netbeans. Oh yeah the Garbage Collection is worthless if you are a sloppy programmer and let references hang around eating you memory, but that's your fault.

The anti-java argument

I remember when people had a legitimate argument against Java Platform due to the Performance ratio against C++ or natively compiled code. However i have to say that even thought it's still true, it became very irrelevant thanks to todays Hardware advances.
Sure Java should not be considered in special real time critical situation still. However i am the kind of programmer who always works on Databases , networked clients for businesses like Construction, or Non profit organization, Programs that deal with daily management of large information flow. Java has proved to me repeatedly that is the most powerful platform out there. The support for back end, middle end , and specially the front end is excellent. Swing library is so powerful that actually tends to overwhelm people at first. But it became natural to me, specially with IDE like Netbeans. Oh yeah the Garbage Collection is worthless if you are a sloppy programmer and let references hang around eating you memory, but that's your fault.

[t8]

Open Source Java

Why doesn't the Open Source Community start work on an Open Java type language. It may force Sun to open Java up to Open Source. Then the 2 can be knitted together or whatever later on.

If there was enough support, it might sway Sun to see the inevitiable future of Open Source quicker than they have in the past.

After all Open Source is one big platform. Why be an island?

[mortis9]

knit the two together???

are you a programmer or did you just think that crap you wrote down sounded good?

f***ing hippies!!!

[Bill Dautrive]

2 versions of java is a bad idea

That is one thing that has helped Java grow, one standard. It has also maintained tight backwards compatibility, a program compiled with an older compiler will not usually break with a newer JVM.

Just like there is one standard in languages like C and C++. Any language that lets itself become fractured is a doomed language.

Been there, done that...

There are several Open Source Java
implementations already (like Kaffe and Guava),
including the native Java compiler gcj.
Typically, their limitations are in the
implementation of the graphics toolkit -- which
is much trickier than one would expect
(nonetheless, there's impressive progress on
that front too). Of course, if you use SWT in
place of Swing or AWT, then you're all set.

For example, the popular development platform
Eclipse, which is written in Java and uses the
SWT library in place of AWT and Swing, has been
compiled using GCJ into a native executable for
several platforms.

[t8]

Open Source Java

Why doesn't the Open Source Community start work on an Open Java type language. It may force Sun to open Java up to Open Source. Then the 2 can be knitted together or whatever later on.

If there was enough support, it might sway Sun to see the inevitiable future of Open Source quicker than they have in the past.

After all Open Source is one big platform. Why be an island?

[mortis9]

knit the two together???

are you a programmer or did you just think that crap you wrote down sounded good?

f***ing hippies!!!

[Bill Dautrive]

2 versions of java is a bad idea

That is one thing that has helped Java grow, one standard. It has also maintained tight backwards compatibility, a program compiled with an older compiler will not usually break with a newer JVM.

Just like there is one standard in languages like C and C++. Any language that lets itself become fractured is a doomed language.

Been there, done that...

There are several Open Source Java
implementations already (like Kaffe and Guava),
including the native Java compiler gcj.
Typically, their limitations are in the
implementation of the graphics toolkit -- which
is much trickier than one would expect
(nonetheless, there's impressive progress on
that front too). Of course, if you use SWT in
place of Swing or AWT, then you're all set.

For example, the popular development platform
Eclipse, which is written in Java and uses the
SWT library in place of AWT and Swing, has been
compiled using GCJ into a native executable for
several platforms.