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(check out awards and surveys to confirm this).
Regardless of your view, this only helps Apple.
It ends a slew of arguments for not purchasing Macs, and it will
stop Mac to Windows migrations.
Frankly, only people who are ignorant of everything but the
purchase price will find a compelling reason not to get a Mac for
most computing.
"It ends a slew of arguments for not purchasing Macs"
Not necessarily. Not only will people by paying more for the Mac itself but, if they still want to run Windows, they will be paying still more for Windows OS as well.
"Frankly, only people who are ignorant of everything but the purchase price will find a compelling reason not to get a Mac for most computing."
This constant name calling, condescension, and zealotry on the part of the Mac faithful is truly not a fruitful sales tactic. If this is not your intent, then I apologize for misreading your post. I think, however, you may understand why I would assume this based on the content of most of the posts here from the Mac users.
(check out awards and surveys to confirm this).
Regardless of your view, this only helps Apple.
It ends a slew of arguments for not purchasing Macs, and it will
stop Mac to Windows migrations.
Frankly, only people who are ignorant of everything but the
purchase price will find a compelling reason not to get a Mac for
most computing.
"It ends a slew of arguments for not purchasing Macs"
Not necessarily. Not only will people by paying more for the Mac itself but, if they still want to run Windows, they will be paying still more for Windows OS as well.
"Frankly, only people who are ignorant of everything but the purchase price will find a compelling reason not to get a Mac for most computing."
This constant name calling, condescension, and zealotry on the part of the Mac faithful is truly not a fruitful sales tactic. If this is not your intent, then I apologize for misreading your post. I think, however, you may understand why I would assume this based on the content of most of the posts here from the Mac users.
When Leopard is released, I'll only need to purchase one machine. Fabulou$ :-)
When Leopard is released, I'll only need to purchase one machine. Fabulou$ :-)
does the hardware only and another company which does the
software only, just doesn't work. It also points out its weakest
vulnerability which almost certainly stands out like a sore thumb
-innovation-.
Apple does both the hardware & the software and combines the
two seamlessly. The Ying & the yang if you will. You can't get
that combination with Dell & Microsoft (the two leaders in their
respective fields) Why? Because they are two separate entities
that don't communicate very well, on top of that throw in a
dozen other computer manufacturers and it just becomes a big
mess and ultimately whats worse is their creating the same
computer. It doesn't make the sense to compete if thats the
case.
Either way.. You'll see Apple growing some marketshare for sure
based on this..
does the hardware only and another company which does the
software only, just doesn't work. It also points out its weakest
vulnerability which almost certainly stands out like a sore thumb
-innovation-.
Apple does both the hardware & the software and combines the
two seamlessly. The Ying & the yang if you will. You can't get
that combination with Dell & Microsoft (the two leaders in their
respective fields) Why? Because they are two separate entities
that don't communicate very well, on top of that throw in a
dozen other computer manufacturers and it just becomes a big
mess and ultimately whats worse is their creating the same
computer. It doesn't make the sense to compete if thats the
case.
Either way.. You'll see Apple growing some marketshare for sure
based on this..
missing is the games that people play on PC. We need
developers to write them for the Mac. Most other tools and
software that they use on Windows exists on Mac too. So the
only point in Boot Camp is to attract Windows users to buy
Apple computers.
What you need to do is beg those Apple people you love so much to make a DirectX emulator for Mac. Of course Jobs may tell you to buy a console, because no one wants to play games on a PC, just like he said no one wanted to watch videos on their iPod...
The entry bar for video game coding is prohibitively high these days. On such a small user base as the Mac, it would be difficult if not impossible to recoup your development costs. (nGage comes to mind.) Unless, of course, Apple gets to work and comes up with an affordable SDK to revolutionize the industry. They'd have to start from the ground, up, though. Unless they wanted to license DirectX 10.
People don't buy Macs to play games. I'd be very surprised if they ever would.
Apples move isn't going to get Windows users to switch either. Most PC buyers have no knowledge or interest in OSX, or the Mac. There are two markets for Windows machines. The gamers that buy high end rigs like the one that I bought almost three years ago, and "Joe Public" buying at the low end that can is now as powerful as that once high end machine. A 2.8 GHZ Windows PC with a decent sized hard drive, and a gig of RAM now goes for about $600.00 or even less.
I don't know what made your Windows XP experience a nightmare. I've been running XP at home and at work for years. I reboot at work every few weeks. At home, I reboot a few times a week. Everything, including new hardware works right out of the box, and I've got a very large selection of just about any type of peripheral at reasonable prices.
Now, if Apple came out with an iPod gaming machine, that would sell. :-)
missing is the games that people play on PC. We need
developers to write them for the Mac. Most other tools and
software that they use on Windows exists on Mac too. So the
only point in Boot Camp is to attract Windows users to buy
Apple computers.
What you need to do is beg those Apple people you love so much to make a DirectX emulator for Mac. Of course Jobs may tell you to buy a console, because no one wants to play games on a PC, just like he said no one wanted to watch videos on their iPod...
The entry bar for video game coding is prohibitively high these days. On such a small user base as the Mac, it would be difficult if not impossible to recoup your development costs. (nGage comes to mind.) Unless, of course, Apple gets to work and comes up with an affordable SDK to revolutionize the industry. They'd have to start from the ground, up, though. Unless they wanted to license DirectX 10.
People don't buy Macs to play games. I'd be very surprised if they ever would.
Apples move isn't going to get Windows users to switch either. Most PC buyers have no knowledge or interest in OSX, or the Mac. There are two markets for Windows machines. The gamers that buy high end rigs like the one that I bought almost three years ago, and "Joe Public" buying at the low end that can is now as powerful as that once high end machine. A 2.8 GHZ Windows PC with a decent sized hard drive, and a gig of RAM now goes for about $600.00 or even less.
I don't know what made your Windows XP experience a nightmare. I've been running XP at home and at work for years. I reboot at work every few weeks. At home, I reboot a few times a week. Everything, including new hardware works right out of the box, and I've got a very large selection of just about any type of peripheral at reasonable prices.
Now, if Apple came out with an iPod gaming machine, that would sell. :-)
I personally have no need or interest in OSX. I cant see the justification to make my next purchase a Mac based on the fact that it can run both Windows and an OS I dont have any interest in running in the first place. I'd rather instead pay the same amount of money and get a bigger HD or better graphics card.
Who LOVES Windows? Sure, the vast majority USES Windows, but do they ENJOY them like Mac users do?
Does having a CLOSED MIND give you gratfication??
I personally have no need or interest in OSX. I cant see the justification to make my next purchase a Mac based on the fact that it can run both Windows and an OS I dont have any interest in running in the first place. I'd rather instead pay the same amount of money and get a bigger HD or better graphics card.
Who LOVES Windows? Sure, the vast majority USES Windows, but do they ENJOY them like Mac users do?
Does having a CLOSED MIND give you gratfication??
X, both at the same time. Now when the MacIntel can run Windows
AND OSX at the same time all by itself, then we have news.
Who would want to bother tying up resources by running both?
As long as files can be easily moved between the partitions, that
should be plenty.
This would be Awesome for everyone who is in love with a Mac but still needs to use Windows, saves them space and money. Plus, ergonomics is one of the major points brought up over and over about Macs, so the people that find their looks pleasing should be even happier.
Sounds like some major interest to me.
X, both at the same time. Now when the MacIntel can run Windows
AND OSX at the same time all by itself, then we have news.
Who would want to bother tying up resources by running both?
As long as files can be easily moved between the partitions, that
should be plenty.
This would be Awesome for everyone who is in love with a Mac but still needs to use Windows, saves them space and money. Plus, ergonomics is one of the major points brought up over and over about Macs, so the people that find their looks pleasing should be even happier.
Sounds like some major interest to me.
First there is the extra cost of a high-margin Mac computer, then there is $194.99 (Amazon.com) for the full-version of Windows XP, and then there is the intimidating-to-some prospect of installing a second operating system. (To most people, an operating system is something that comes preinstalled, that you don't mess with.)
That's fine for computer enthusiasts, but I don't think your average home computer user is going to be very interested in it.
It's not an end to the holly war, so you can lookforward to more "witty banter" on cnet.
An Intel Mac Mini costs about the same as a Dell, provided you compare similar performance, features, and software.
The Dell is only cheaper when stripped of essentials, such as software, connectivity options, and virus protection. And adding that stuff on-the-cheap is outside the capability of the average home user you were describing.
First there is the extra cost of a high-margin Mac computer, then there is $194.99 (Amazon.com) for the full-version of Windows XP, and then there is the intimidating-to-some prospect of installing a second operating system. (To most people, an operating system is something that comes preinstalled, that you don't mess with.)
That's fine for computer enthusiasts, but I don't think your average home computer user is going to be very interested in it.
It's not an end to the holly war, so you can lookforward to more "witty banter" on cnet.
An Intel Mac Mini costs about the same as a Dell, provided you compare similar performance, features, and software.
The Dell is only cheaper when stripped of essentials, such as software, connectivity options, and virus protection. And adding that stuff on-the-cheap is outside the capability of the average home user you were describing.
Ditto for back-to-school scenario.
Ditto for back-to-school scenario.
This is just a step closer.
Congratz Apple. They aren't going to do it if they don't think there's a benefit for them, period. All for-profit companies are in the business to make money for the shareholders.
I can see a number of reasons for them to provide this functionality and chances are it will make a difference.
I do not doubt there are a number of people who for whatever reason want to use a Mac but needs Windows. Allow them to bridge the gap and when enough alternatives are available to dump Windows completely, they will. Linux users have been doing this for years. I am still in the process.
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- Maybe 3 or 5 years ago ...
- by dragonbite April 5, 2006 12:22 PM PDT
- At a computer club meeting there was somebody who said "In ten years it will not matter what OS you run."
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Showing 4 of 9 pages (627 Comments)This is just a step closer.
Congratz Apple. They aren't going to do it if they don't think there's a benefit for them, period. All for-profit companies are in the business to make money for the shareholders.
I can see a number of reasons for them to provide this functionality and chances are it will make a difference.
I do not doubt there are a number of people who for whatever reason want to use a Mac but needs Windows. Allow them to bridge the gap and when enough alternatives are available to dump Windows completely, they will. Linux users have been doing this for years. I am still in the process.
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