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That was like a comet missing the Earth by 500 million trillion
miles.
Congrats! :)
appealing to end users. While I don't believe it will bring a heap
of people to the mac paltform it will aid two user groups.
1. Mac users whom have to use windows for software reasons
due to some apps being windows only. This allows these people
to have 1 machine not two.
2. Windows users whom already are thinking of switching over
but like to have a back up plan (or hand holding) case they don't
like the mac.
Both of these cases do not point to Apple needing windows to
show how good their computers are just the market reality that
windows has a lot of software lock in.
If you actually tried maybe using a Mac for more than a week
and nothing else you'll see why Mac OS X is a good operating
system next to the default standard which is Windows XP.
And for that matter see why Apple is considered the BMW of the
Computer Industry (which I have no arguments with, because
Macs are just phenomenally cool looking computers). Any
reasonable person would agree.
But by having Windows on the Mac, its not only there to help
consumers decide which is a better Operating system but its
also there to give them a choice. Which PC manufacturers
haven't provided in this Industry which stifles innovation and
hurts consumers. Apple has, and is using Mac OS X as its
advantage by providing another alternative to the standard
which is Windows.
Windows has been the standard for atleast 10 years.
You can't convince the sheep the grass is greener on the other
side in a day you have to move the herd slowly. And thats what
Apple is doing by giving what other PC Manufacturers can't.
Choice.
Also I don't see how Apple at all portrays themselves as them
"being gods or being great" they just make great software and
great hardware and if they do show an ounce of bravado,
wouldn't you think its well deserved? They've been working their
***** off and it shows in their products. Can any company in
this industry boast such achievements? Not likely (I can bash
Microsoft right now but I'm tired)
But I think you have been schooled in the MS camp for so long
you can't tell that Microsoft has dominated your choice to
choose.
That was like a comet missing the Earth by 500 million trillion
miles.
Congrats! :)
appealing to end users. While I don't believe it will bring a heap
of people to the mac paltform it will aid two user groups.
1. Mac users whom have to use windows for software reasons
due to some apps being windows only. This allows these people
to have 1 machine not two.
2. Windows users whom already are thinking of switching over
but like to have a back up plan (or hand holding) case they don't
like the mac.
Both of these cases do not point to Apple needing windows to
show how good their computers are just the market reality that
windows has a lot of software lock in.
If you actually tried maybe using a Mac for more than a week
and nothing else you'll see why Mac OS X is a good operating
system next to the default standard which is Windows XP.
And for that matter see why Apple is considered the BMW of the
Computer Industry (which I have no arguments with, because
Macs are just phenomenally cool looking computers). Any
reasonable person would agree.
But by having Windows on the Mac, its not only there to help
consumers decide which is a better Operating system but its
also there to give them a choice. Which PC manufacturers
haven't provided in this Industry which stifles innovation and
hurts consumers. Apple has, and is using Mac OS X as its
advantage by providing another alternative to the standard
which is Windows.
Windows has been the standard for atleast 10 years.
You can't convince the sheep the grass is greener on the other
side in a day you have to move the herd slowly. And thats what
Apple is doing by giving what other PC Manufacturers can't.
Choice.
Also I don't see how Apple at all portrays themselves as them
"being gods or being great" they just make great software and
great hardware and if they do show an ounce of bravado,
wouldn't you think its well deserved? They've been working their
***** off and it shows in their products. Can any company in
this industry boast such achievements? Not likely (I can bash
Microsoft right now but I'm tired)
But I think you have been schooled in the MS camp for so long
you can't tell that Microsoft has dominated your choice to
choose.
http://www.inaniloquent.com/PermaLink.aspx?guid=dbad4003-5b93-430c-87e1-313f766c04c3
> lot of Apple hardware!
That's a large leap. Why buy a Macintel just for the privlege of running Windows? More revolutionary would be for Apple to give users the ability to run Windows applications inside of OSX without having to dual boot or even use XP. But that won't happen because Apple has just become another PC maker. Goodbye innovation and choice. This latest news isn't innovative, and might be better news for Microsoft than it is for Apple.
http://www.inaniloquent.com/PermaLink.aspx?guid=dbad4003-5b93-430c-87e1-313f766c04c3
> lot of Apple hardware!
That's a large leap. Why buy a Macintel just for the privlege of running Windows? More revolutionary would be for Apple to give users the ability to run Windows applications inside of OSX without having to dual boot or even use XP. But that won't happen because Apple has just become another PC maker. Goodbye innovation and choice. This latest news isn't innovative, and might be better news for Microsoft than it is for Apple.
Sure, the Radeon X1600 may not be top of the line, but it's nothing to sneeze at. It's better than what I have now.
But wait... what cards will be in the Powermac G5 replacements?
Sure, the Radeon X1600 may not be top of the line, but it's nothing to sneeze at. It's better than what I have now.
But wait... what cards will be in the Powermac G5 replacements?
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/02/16/mac_os-x_virus/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/02/27/
apple_security_threats_a_reality/
The so-called LEAP-A worm is a social engineering attack that
requires extensive user interaction. It does not exploit security
holes. No system can be protected from foolish users.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/02/16/mac_os-x_virus/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/02/27/
apple_security_threats_a_reality/
The so-called LEAP-A worm is a social engineering attack that
requires extensive user interaction. It does not exploit security
holes. No system can be protected from foolish users.
To me, being a PC/Windows user, I think if they really want to grab market share away from PC users they should focus on releasing their OS for PCs rather than allowing their hardware to support MS Windows. Instead they're only giving their users a chance to experience MS Windows more frequently.
What am I missing here?
distinguishing feature of Apple hardware, however, is that it
runs the Mac OS. It writes the OS, in other words, to sell
hardware. Adding the ability to run Windows natively makes
Apple hardware that much more attractive to people who want
the Mac OS but might have one or two things that require
Windows.
You may know that Apple has previously licensed its OS to other
manufacturers with disastrous financial results. Think of it this
way. If Apple licenses the OS and market share of the OS
remains the same, it loses because it gives up hardware sales.
Apple wins only if licensing the OS increases marketshare so
significantly that gains in software sales outweigh lost hardware
sales.
A lot of people assume that the latter would be true, but the
only real-world test showed the former to be true. Why? I think
it's because switching OSes is non-trivial. People have to give
up what they know and their investment in software. Most
Windows users don't even upgrade to the most recent version of
Windows; they upgrade when they buy a new machine.
Now people can buy a Mac and not lose their investment in
software. That makes switching easier.
And, sorry, but giving current Mac users a taste of Windows
does not hurt Apple in the slightest. Windows is ubiquitous. We
all have to use it at some point and buy Macs specifically
because we don't like it. Every time I use Windows I am
reminded of why I like my Macs so much.
Windows has games and it is used at almost all work places. If I want to own Apple and also windows then I have to buy two different boxes.
This will eliminate problem of two different hardware.
So Apple stratergy looks like
1) Buy Apple Hardware and it ships with OS. This allows people to try OSX. Hardware marketing software. Eventually software becoming more important.
2) Buy windows and install it easily if you want. This will increase Windows sales. You may hate windows because it may not have features of OSX.
3) Increase hardware sales and compete with Dells.
4) Market OSX and this may eventually allow people to buy more OSX licenses.
5) Compete with windows on merit basis.
I think this is a great move by Apple.
If microsoft wants to change something in windows that requires a hardware change, they have to get intel, dell, HP, Compaq, etc to also make that change...which would happen slowly. I don't blame MS for windows, they have done a good job trying to support everything, but in doing so, they have been hampered in innovating
It's quite true that Macs just "work" mainly because Apple designs both the OS and underlying hardware. The PC world has nothing like it since it's really a two minded machine, never doing anything very well.
Apple would NEVER release OSX for PCs, that would vastly lower the quality for the User. If you use Windows you see the problem of that approach every day... since MS doesn't control anything but the OS, everything else is a mismatch of Hardware & Software vendors. Whereas the Apple World has a single solid fondation, running a highly consistent, nearly crash proof OS... then couple all that with a much stronger software library than Windows (since the Mac community is very demanding) and you get a surprsingly robust system.
Someone once likened the Apple approach to the old Ma Bell Phone System. Prior to deregulation, phones simply "worked" since Ma Bell controlled the lines, the phone, etc. Now, there are cell phones, traditional land lines, pagers, etc and the quality has dropped and prices have gone up.
In the Mac World, prices have dropped in the last decade, a Mac is now just as cheap as a top tier PC, but the quality has shot way up because of OSX.
So it's a great time to get a Mac, and it will only get better has time moves on.
I doubt anyone will boot Windows to actually use it, except for people moving from the PC. There really isn't any quality software on the PC anymore (save games). There are about 16,000 OSX Apps, all several levels above what is offered on the PC.
So this major announcement for the Industry will move plenty of Windows users over to the Mac, but once they use OSX for a few days, they won't boot into Windows any longer.
-
To me, being a PC/Windows user, I think if they really want to grab market share away from PC users they should focus on releasing their OS for PCs rather than allowing their hardware to support MS Windows. Instead they're only giving their users a chance to experience MS Windows more frequently.
What am I missing here?
distinguishing feature of Apple hardware, however, is that it
runs the Mac OS. It writes the OS, in other words, to sell
hardware. Adding the ability to run Windows natively makes
Apple hardware that much more attractive to people who want
the Mac OS but might have one or two things that require
Windows.
You may know that Apple has previously licensed its OS to other
manufacturers with disastrous financial results. Think of it this
way. If Apple licenses the OS and market share of the OS
remains the same, it loses because it gives up hardware sales.
Apple wins only if licensing the OS increases marketshare so
significantly that gains in software sales outweigh lost hardware
sales.
A lot of people assume that the latter would be true, but the
only real-world test showed the former to be true. Why? I think
it's because switching OSes is non-trivial. People have to give
up what they know and their investment in software. Most
Windows users don't even upgrade to the most recent version of
Windows; they upgrade when they buy a new machine.
Now people can buy a Mac and not lose their investment in
software. That makes switching easier.
And, sorry, but giving current Mac users a taste of Windows
does not hurt Apple in the slightest. Windows is ubiquitous. We
all have to use it at some point and buy Macs specifically
because we don't like it. Every time I use Windows I am
reminded of why I like my Macs so much.
Windows has games and it is used at almost all work places. If I want to own Apple and also windows then I have to buy two different boxes.
This will eliminate problem of two different hardware.
So Apple stratergy looks like
1) Buy Apple Hardware and it ships with OS. This allows people to try OSX. Hardware marketing software. Eventually software becoming more important.
2) Buy windows and install it easily if you want. This will increase Windows sales. You may hate windows because it may not have features of OSX.
3) Increase hardware sales and compete with Dells.
4) Market OSX and this may eventually allow people to buy more OSX licenses.
5) Compete with windows on merit basis.
I think this is a great move by Apple.
If microsoft wants to change something in windows that requires a hardware change, they have to get intel, dell, HP, Compaq, etc to also make that change...which would happen slowly. I don't blame MS for windows, they have done a good job trying to support everything, but in doing so, they have been hampered in innovating
It's quite true that Macs just "work" mainly because Apple designs both the OS and underlying hardware. The PC world has nothing like it since it's really a two minded machine, never doing anything very well.
Apple would NEVER release OSX for PCs, that would vastly lower the quality for the User. If you use Windows you see the problem of that approach every day... since MS doesn't control anything but the OS, everything else is a mismatch of Hardware & Software vendors. Whereas the Apple World has a single solid fondation, running a highly consistent, nearly crash proof OS... then couple all that with a much stronger software library than Windows (since the Mac community is very demanding) and you get a surprsingly robust system.
Someone once likened the Apple approach to the old Ma Bell Phone System. Prior to deregulation, phones simply "worked" since Ma Bell controlled the lines, the phone, etc. Now, there are cell phones, traditional land lines, pagers, etc and the quality has dropped and prices have gone up.
In the Mac World, prices have dropped in the last decade, a Mac is now just as cheap as a top tier PC, but the quality has shot way up because of OSX.
So it's a great time to get a Mac, and it will only get better has time moves on.
I doubt anyone will boot Windows to actually use it, except for people moving from the PC. There really isn't any quality software on the PC anymore (save games). There are about 16,000 OSX Apps, all several levels above what is offered on the PC.
So this major announcement for the Industry will move plenty of Windows users over to the Mac, but once they use OSX for a few days, they won't boot into Windows any longer.
-
I fail to see how this helps Apple. It would seem to help Microsoft move towards 100% of the desktop market. And what's it going to look like at Macworld when everyone is booting into XP during seminars instead of OSX?
has running Windows on Mac via emulation software. When
Apple switched to Intel, most people figured that we'd have
machines that dual-booted to Mac OS and Windows. So this is
neither surprising nor "innovative," but being able to run the
Mac OS and Windows on the same machine at native speeds is
very attractive to some people. There are a lot of people, for
example, who want Windows for the games only for example.
As for helping Microsoft, that's hardly an issue. They will get
more sales of boxed copies of Windows, sure, but given the vast
difference in marketshare between Windows and the Mac it is
hard to see how making it easier to move between systems
helps Apple out much more than Microsoft. Mac users have all
used Windows at some point; avoiding it is impossible. Most
Windows users, however, know nothing about the Mac. Some
are interested but fear being "trapped" by a closed system.
Suddenly, computers from Apple can do everything their
Windows PC does now, plus they get to see what the Mac is all
about.
As for people booting into XP at Macworld, that's a good one. If
that is what they wanted, they would just buy a Windows
machine in the first place. After all, as Apple critics love to point
out (and exaggerate), Macs are more expensive. Windows is not
some forbidden fruit that will slowly win us over.
B. Mac users obviously prefer Mas OS to Windows. You can buy equivalent PC hardware if you are willing to pay for it. This will just make it easier for those who need to run Windows apps occasionally, but will run Mac OS most of the time.
C. Increasing the Mac user base will give more software developers a reason to write for Mac OS as well as Windows.
I fail to see how this helps Apple. It would seem to help Microsoft move towards 100% of the desktop market. And what's it going to look like at Macworld when everyone is booting into XP during seminars instead of OSX?
has running Windows on Mac via emulation software. When
Apple switched to Intel, most people figured that we'd have
machines that dual-booted to Mac OS and Windows. So this is
neither surprising nor "innovative," but being able to run the
Mac OS and Windows on the same machine at native speeds is
very attractive to some people. There are a lot of people, for
example, who want Windows for the games only for example.
As for helping Microsoft, that's hardly an issue. They will get
more sales of boxed copies of Windows, sure, but given the vast
difference in marketshare between Windows and the Mac it is
hard to see how making it easier to move between systems
helps Apple out much more than Microsoft. Mac users have all
used Windows at some point; avoiding it is impossible. Most
Windows users, however, know nothing about the Mac. Some
are interested but fear being "trapped" by a closed system.
Suddenly, computers from Apple can do everything their
Windows PC does now, plus they get to see what the Mac is all
about.
As for people booting into XP at Macworld, that's a good one. If
that is what they wanted, they would just buy a Windows
machine in the first place. After all, as Apple critics love to point
out (and exaggerate), Macs are more expensive. Windows is not
some forbidden fruit that will slowly win us over.
B. Mac users obviously prefer Mas OS to Windows. You can buy equivalent PC hardware if you are willing to pay for it. This will just make it easier for those who need to run Windows apps occasionally, but will run Mac OS most of the time.
C. Increasing the Mac user base will give more software developers a reason to write for Mac OS as well as Windows.
WINDOWS!!!
mac games + pc games = more games!!!
This update is great just for the games.. cant wait to get my new
imac core duo with leapord when it comes out.. and play some
Everquest 2 etc.. wooHOO
All Windows Games
+
Apple Puzzle
=
Windows Games + 1
I just wish there were more options for video hardware. :-(
WINDOWS!!!
mac games + pc games = more games!!!
This update is great just for the games.. cant wait to get my new
imac core duo with leapord when it comes out.. and play some
Everquest 2 etc.. wooHOO
All Windows Games
+
Apple Puzzle
=
Windows Games + 1
I just wish there were more options for video hardware. :-(
MacIntel reportedly runs WinXP NATIVELY, not on an emulator.
And so we have one more in a long line of errors from this
'expert' .......
We both know the truth.
Happy days.
MacIntel reportedly runs WinXP NATIVELY, not on an emulator.
And so we have one more in a long line of errors from this
'expert' .......
We both know the truth.
Happy days.