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hahhhhaha
by TyTyson April 5, 2006 6:17 AM PDT
WHAT a suprise....!!!!!

Watch and weep you doubters.

A year ago I said this?

teeheeeee

This is HUGE. Watch. Listen. Learn.
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Backwards
by TV James April 6, 2006 7:33 AM PDT
Let's see...

Overpriced hardware running arguably inferior operating system.

This isn't huge. This is anti-huge.

Huge would be OX side-by-side with Wista on a Dell.
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hahhhhaha
by TyTyson April 5, 2006 6:17 AM PDT
WHAT a suprise....!!!!!

Watch and weep you doubters.

A year ago I said this?

teeheeeee

This is HUGE. Watch. Listen. Learn.
Reply to this comment
Backwards
by TV James April 6, 2006 7:33 AM PDT
Let's see...

Overpriced hardware running arguably inferior operating system.

This isn't huge. This is anti-huge.

Huge would be OX side-by-side with Wista on a Dell.
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Thank God!
by Jeff Putz April 5, 2006 6:34 AM PDT
As a Windows developer that also loves the Final Cut Studio apps, this is what I've been waiting for. Life is good.
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Thank God!
by Jeff Putz April 5, 2006 6:34 AM PDT
As a Windows developer that also loves the Final Cut Studio apps, this is what I've been waiting for. Life is good.
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Finally, virus on a Mac
by Juster444 April 5, 2006 6:38 AM PDT
Gotta love Apple's confidence to take these shots at Windows.

From the Apple website:

"Word to the Wise

Windows running on a Mac is like Windows running on a PC. That means it’ll be subject to the same attacks that plague the Windows world. So be sure to keep it updated with the latest Microsoft Windows security fixes."

Here's another shot at Windows for Apple's website:

"EFI and BIOS

Macs use an ultra-modern industry standard technology called EFI to handle booting. Sadly, Windows XP, and even the upcoming Vista, are stuck in the 1980s with old-fashioned BIOS. But with Boot Camp, the Mac can operate smoothly in both centuries."

It's plain to see that Apple hasn't fallen in love with Windows. I think it's simply about selling more Macs and getting more Windows users to make the switch. Good move by Apple. I like it.
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Well
by April 5, 2006 6:53 AM PDT
Viruses were on Macs that had Virtual PC installed with Windows. You COULD actually get every kind of malware that regular Windows users could use, though I know you mean this is done Natively now.

It is a good move, I bet this will lead to hardware market dominance, now that users can use both (and who doesn't LOVE OS X?)
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Finally, virus on a Mac
by Juster444 April 5, 2006 6:38 AM PDT
Gotta love Apple's confidence to take these shots at Windows.

From the Apple website:

"Word to the Wise

Windows running on a Mac is like Windows running on a PC. That means it’ll be subject to the same attacks that plague the Windows world. So be sure to keep it updated with the latest Microsoft Windows security fixes."

Here's another shot at Windows for Apple's website:

"EFI and BIOS

Macs use an ultra-modern industry standard technology called EFI to handle booting. Sadly, Windows XP, and even the upcoming Vista, are stuck in the 1980s with old-fashioned BIOS. But with Boot Camp, the Mac can operate smoothly in both centuries."

It's plain to see that Apple hasn't fallen in love with Windows. I think it's simply about selling more Macs and getting more Windows users to make the switch. Good move by Apple. I like it.
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Well
by April 5, 2006 6:53 AM PDT
Viruses were on Macs that had Virtual PC installed with Windows. You COULD actually get every kind of malware that regular Windows users could use, though I know you mean this is done Natively now.

It is a good move, I bet this will lead to hardware market dominance, now that users can use both (and who doesn't LOVE OS X?)
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Breaking news
by Angelfire1982 April 5, 2006 6:41 AM PDT
It's finally happened! Two operating systems on one kick ass
platform. This is going to be huge!!!

If Boot Camp (like the name btw) is going to be released as part
of Leopard, which I recall is going to be realased around the
same time as Vista originally was (ie this year) I'm assuming that
it will be able to run Vista as well? I mean who wants to use XP
when Vista becomes available (assuming of course it is better
and does actually get released at this rate!!!).

Also, breaking news just in...yep we are getting confirmed
reports that Hell has indeed frozen over!!
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Breaking news
by Angelfire1982 April 5, 2006 6:41 AM PDT
It's finally happened! Two operating systems on one kick ass
platform. This is going to be huge!!!

If Boot Camp (like the name btw) is going to be released as part
of Leopard, which I recall is going to be realased around the
same time as Vista originally was (ie this year) I'm assuming that
it will be able to run Vista as well? I mean who wants to use XP
when Vista becomes available (assuming of course it is better
and does actually get released at this rate!!!).

Also, breaking news just in...yep we are getting confirmed
reports that Hell has indeed frozen over!!
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And so it begins...
by JJWhitney April 5, 2006 6:45 AM PDT
I just can't imagine that somewhere in Apple someone isn't trying to get to run XP as a OS layer.
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yes
by TyTyson April 5, 2006 6:48 AM PDT
of course.

It's called Red Box and has been around for years.

Leopard will effectively be this solution ultimately.
And so it begins...
by JJWhitney April 5, 2006 6:45 AM PDT
I just can't imagine that somewhere in Apple someone isn't trying to get to run XP as a OS layer.
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yes
by TyTyson April 5, 2006 6:48 AM PDT
of course.

It's called Red Box and has been around for years.

Leopard will effectively be this solution ultimately.
All right you maggots, insert Disk 2 and give me 20!
by ewelch April 5, 2006 6:46 AM PDT
Of course, boot camp won't have a Wizard to help you install it.

Instead it'll have a foul-mouthed drill instructor. :-D
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All right you maggots, insert Disk 2 and give me 20!
by ewelch April 5, 2006 6:46 AM PDT
Of course, boot camp won't have a Wizard to help you install it.

Instead it'll have a foul-mouthed drill instructor. :-D
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this is it
by iKenny April 5, 2006 6:52 AM PDT
As of today, I see no reason, barring cost, not to buy a Mac. You're
getting the stability and power of Mac OS X and, really, the ubiquity
of Windows. Apple's even managed to write all the drivers so
everything your Mac computer has, even the eject key, work on
Windows.

It's a 2 for 1 deal. Apple's sealed it for me.
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You just said it..
by KsprayDad April 5, 2006 7:14 AM PDT
Barring cost.

That would be a HUGE reason for the majority of home PC users. This isn't going to make anyone switch to the Apple hardware unless XP was installed at purchase and the price was comparable to a straight XP machine (ie OSX for free to boost hardware sales).

Mom and Pop purchaser out there is attracted to price not gee whiz I can boot two different OS.

So, although I think this is great for the geeks among us, its going to have little impact due to cost issues for the majority of people that just want a basic PC to get on the net etc etc.
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Not everything
by ddesy April 5, 2006 7:28 AM PDT
Apple has already stated that with the current Boot Camp beta things such as the built in camera, bluetooth keyboards and mice, etc... will not yet work.

Those must be planned for the next release.
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it is?
by April 5, 2006 10:44 AM PDT
"As of today, I see no reason, barring cost, not to buy a Mac"

As of today, I see no reason, barring cost, for me not to buy a 140ft yacht and sail to Tahiti.

Truth is, if one's not already a Mac luva, there's no reason to spend all that extra money for the computer and TWO operating systems when you can get a Windows machine for less. Yeah, so the mac has an eject button. Yippie. Thats not justifying to me the extra cost. My $800 clone-of-the-week can use virtually any part off the shelf if I need to fix it.
this is it
by iKenny April 5, 2006 6:52 AM PDT
As of today, I see no reason, barring cost, not to buy a Mac. You're
getting the stability and power of Mac OS X and, really, the ubiquity
of Windows. Apple's even managed to write all the drivers so
everything your Mac computer has, even the eject key, work on
Windows.

It's a 2 for 1 deal. Apple's sealed it for me.
Reply to this comment
You just said it..
by KsprayDad April 5, 2006 7:14 AM PDT
Barring cost.

That would be a HUGE reason for the majority of home PC users. This isn't going to make anyone switch to the Apple hardware unless XP was installed at purchase and the price was comparable to a straight XP machine (ie OSX for free to boost hardware sales).

Mom and Pop purchaser out there is attracted to price not gee whiz I can boot two different OS.

So, although I think this is great for the geeks among us, its going to have little impact due to cost issues for the majority of people that just want a basic PC to get on the net etc etc.
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Not everything
by ddesy April 5, 2006 7:28 AM PDT
Apple has already stated that with the current Boot Camp beta things such as the built in camera, bluetooth keyboards and mice, etc... will not yet work.

Those must be planned for the next release.
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it is?
by April 5, 2006 10:44 AM PDT
"As of today, I see no reason, barring cost, not to buy a Mac"

As of today, I see no reason, barring cost, for me not to buy a 140ft yacht and sail to Tahiti.

Truth is, if one's not already a Mac luva, there's no reason to spend all that extra money for the computer and TWO operating systems when you can get a Windows machine for less. Yeah, so the mac has an eject button. Yippie. Thats not justifying to me the extra cost. My $800 clone-of-the-week can use virtually any part off the shelf if I need to fix it.
I'm doin my happy dance!
by doconn7 April 5, 2006 6:54 AM PDT
After years of having two computers to be creative and business
like now we will have both one one machine.
And so ends the mac vs. pc debate "have your cake and eat it"
then go get antivirus for mac, what! a new business venture you
heard it here first!!
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I'm doin my happy dance!
by doconn7 April 5, 2006 6:54 AM PDT
After years of having two computers to be creative and business
like now we will have both one one machine.
And so ends the mac vs. pc debate "have your cake and eat it"
then go get antivirus for mac, what! a new business venture you
heard it here first!!
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Superior Hardware?
by frankwick April 5, 2006 6:59 AM PDT
Even I, a computer agnostic, get so tired of Apple's marketing crap. I'm sure most of it is directed at Mac fans who will just eat it up without consideration, but the constant flow of self-congratulatory statements and likewise insults to everyone gets very old.

Saying Apple's hardware is superior is like Chrysler claiming the Pacifica is superior. Sure, it's a fine car (I guess) and it is truly superior to other cars ... but NOT ALL CARS.
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hardware is hardware
by iKenny April 5, 2006 7:08 AM PDT
In the end, though, hardware is hardware. You're getting a far
better deal here not because the hardware is better, or even
cheaper, but because you are buying the ability to run two vastly
different operating systems at once. If there's an attack on your
PC side, just switch back to the Mac and rescue your files. If
there's a PC game you really want to play, it's not a problem. You
can switch back to your Mac once you're done.

Most people aren't concerned enough about the hardware specs
to notice that difference (it's pretty small in the end anyway). The
Mac has become the final solution for a computer.
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There IS a difference...
by shanewalker April 5, 2006 7:49 AM PDT
I've been playing around for a couple of days w/ my new Toshiba
Qosmio laptop, one of the better reviewed PC laptop lines out
there (a flagship model w/ an excellent screen and Media Center
2005 support A/V hardware). There's no comparison between it
and my PowerBook, however, when it comes to total look/feel/
materials and attention to detail per dollar spent...it's the
qualitative difference between a Jeep Wrangler and a Lexus
RX330, and I paid roughly the same price for the two. It's not
hype, it's not imagined...I've experienced it. Have you sat down
w/ a Mac and really worked one over--if so, you'd know they
build great hardware.

I truly didn't understand what the real tangible difference was
until having them both side-by-side these last few days.
Umm...
by freemarket--2008 April 5, 2006 8:01 AM PDT
I don't recall anyone saying the hardware is superior to ALL PCs, but considering all the low-end PCs sold it's quite likely a new Mac is superior to the majority of PCs out there. You can definitely buy/build a better system, but you will pay a lot more. More than an equivalent Mac? I don't know.
Yes Superior Hardware
by grossph April 5, 2006 8:19 AM PDT
Maybe you missed this article...the Mac bested the windows machines running windows by nearly 40 seconds in the PHotoshop test...yes this is only one test, but it goes to prove the point that it is superior hardware and not a chrysler pacifica...maybe you can explain how the mac ran faster if all pcs are the same

http://www.pcmag.com/image_popup/0,1871,s=1565&iid=127601,00.asp
Yes Superior Hardware
by grossph April 5, 2006 8:20 AM PDT
Maybe you missed this article...the Mac bested the windows machines running windows by nearly 40 seconds in the PHotoshop test...yes this is only one test, but it goes to prove the point that it is superior hardware and not a chrysler pacifica...maybe you can explain how the mac ran faster if all pcs are the same

And I am a computer agnostic as well, I am writing this on an HP laptop right now...running windows XP pro...though I would rather run it on my mac at home as I have had more issues with XP then OS X, and don't go telling me I don't know how to manage my XP systems. I do this for a living

http://www.pcmag.com/image_popup/0,1871,s=1565&iid=127601,00.asp
Hardware Superiority
by soupdawg30 April 5, 2006 10:43 PM PDT
Apples Hardware is Superior to other computers. Anyone who knows about computers knows this.
Hardware Superiority
by soupdawg30 April 5, 2006 10:43 PM PDT
Apples Hardware is Superior to other computers. Anyone who knows about computers knows this.
Superior Hardware?
by frankwick April 5, 2006 6:59 AM PDT
Even I, a computer agnostic, get so tired of Apple's marketing crap. I'm sure most of it is directed at Mac fans who will just eat it up without consideration, but the constant flow of self-congratulatory statements and likewise insults to everyone gets very old.

Saying Apple's hardware is superior is like Chrysler claiming the Pacifica is superior. Sure, it's a fine car (I guess) and it is truly superior to other cars ... but NOT ALL CARS.
Reply to this comment
hardware is hardware
by iKenny April 5, 2006 7:08 AM PDT
In the end, though, hardware is hardware. You're getting a far
better deal here not because the hardware is better, or even
cheaper, but because you are buying the ability to run two vastly
different operating systems at once. If there's an attack on your
PC side, just switch back to the Mac and rescue your files. If
there's a PC game you really want to play, it's not a problem. You
can switch back to your Mac once you're done.

Most people aren't concerned enough about the hardware specs
to notice that difference (it's pretty small in the end anyway). The
Mac has become the final solution for a computer.
View all 5 replies
There IS a difference...
by shanewalker April 5, 2006 7:49 AM PDT
I've been playing around for a couple of days w/ my new Toshiba
Qosmio laptop, one of the better reviewed PC laptop lines out
there (a flagship model w/ an excellent screen and Media Center
2005 support A/V hardware). There's no comparison between it
and my PowerBook, however, when it comes to total look/feel/
materials and attention to detail per dollar spent...it's the
qualitative difference between a Jeep Wrangler and a Lexus
RX330, and I paid roughly the same price for the two. It's not
hype, it's not imagined...I've experienced it. Have you sat down
w/ a Mac and really worked one over--if so, you'd know they
build great hardware.

I truly didn't understand what the real tangible difference was
until having them both side-by-side these last few days.
Umm...
by freemarket--2008 April 5, 2006 8:01 AM PDT
I don't recall anyone saying the hardware is superior to ALL PCs, but considering all the low-end PCs sold it's quite likely a new Mac is superior to the majority of PCs out there. You can definitely buy/build a better system, but you will pay a lot more. More than an equivalent Mac? I don't know.
Yes Superior Hardware
by grossph April 5, 2006 8:19 AM PDT
Maybe you missed this article...the Mac bested the windows machines running windows by nearly 40 seconds in the PHotoshop test...yes this is only one test, but it goes to prove the point that it is superior hardware and not a chrysler pacifica...maybe you can explain how the mac ran faster if all pcs are the same

http://www.pcmag.com/image_popup/0,1871,s=1565&iid=127601,00.asp
Yes Superior Hardware
by grossph April 5, 2006 8:20 AM PDT
Maybe you missed this article...the Mac bested the windows machines running windows by nearly 40 seconds in the PHotoshop test...yes this is only one test, but it goes to prove the point that it is superior hardware and not a chrysler pacifica...maybe you can explain how the mac ran faster if all pcs are the same

And I am a computer agnostic as well, I am writing this on an HP laptop right now...running windows XP pro...though I would rather run it on my mac at home as I have had more issues with XP then OS X, and don't go telling me I don't know how to manage my XP systems. I do this for a living

http://www.pcmag.com/image_popup/0,1871,s=1565&iid=127601,00.asp
Hardware Superiority
by soupdawg30 April 5, 2006 10:43 PM PDT
Apples Hardware is Superior to other computers. Anyone who knows about computers knows this.
Hardware Superiority
by soupdawg30 April 5, 2006 10:43 PM PDT
Apples Hardware is Superior to other computers. Anyone who knows about computers knows this.
They're so full of it
by Christopher Hall April 5, 2006 7:00 AM PDT
"Superior hardware"? Gimme a break. Nothing in a Mac I could build on their website comes anywhere close to the hardware I slapped in my gaming rig in late 2004.
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aww diddums
by TyTyson April 5, 2006 7:06 AM PDT
peecee users running scared already. Damn this is fun!

lol
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Dont you mean...
by SystemsJunky April 5, 2006 7:42 AM PDT
like 2001?
again read and learn before you speak
by grossph April 5, 2006 8:21 AM PDT
http://www.pcmag.com/image_popup/0,1871,s=1565&iid=127601,00.asp

maybe you can tell me why the crappy apple hardware bested the competition running windows if the mac stuff is so bad
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You are comparing numbers on a side of a box
by Bill Dautrive April 6, 2006 6:05 PM PDT
They are meaningless, and anyone who truly knows computers knows that speed numbers are extremely misleading.

Stability, heat, and many other issues are more important then speed. My old AMD 2500 custom built rig can easily outperform Intel processors with comparable equipment up to 3 GHz and my rig run at ~1.9 GHz. And it does it at far cooler tempertures, using stock fat/heatsink.

The fact is that the numbers may appear to be in favor of PC's, but the hardware on a Mac runs smoother and more efficiently. That is why it is better hardware.

This is leaving out the solid argument that all processor designs are poor.
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They're so full of it
by Christopher Hall April 5, 2006 7:00 AM PDT
"Superior hardware"? Gimme a break. Nothing in a Mac I could build on their website comes anywhere close to the hardware I slapped in my gaming rig in late 2004.
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aww diddums
by TyTyson April 5, 2006 7:06 AM PDT
peecee users running scared already. Damn this is fun!

lol
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Dont you mean...
by SystemsJunky April 5, 2006 7:42 AM PDT
like 2001?
again read and learn before you speak
by grossph April 5, 2006 8:21 AM PDT
http://www.pcmag.com/image_popup/0,1871,s=1565&iid=127601,00.asp

maybe you can tell me why the crappy apple hardware bested the competition running windows if the mac stuff is so bad
View all 3 replies
You are comparing numbers on a side of a box
by Bill Dautrive April 6, 2006 6:05 PM PDT
They are meaningless, and anyone who truly knows computers knows that speed numbers are extremely misleading.

Stability, heat, and many other issues are more important then speed. My old AMD 2500 custom built rig can easily outperform Intel processors with comparable equipment up to 3 GHz and my rig run at ~1.9 GHz. And it does it at far cooler tempertures, using stock fat/heatsink.

The fact is that the numbers may appear to be in favor of PC's, but the hardware on a Mac runs smoother and more efficiently. That is why it is better hardware.

This is leaving out the solid argument that all processor designs are poor.
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