Comments on: Watch out with metadata in Vista, analysts warn

Microsoft Vista will let users tag files with metadata, but that could cause embarrassing data disclosure, Gartner says.

[GGGlen]

More MS Innovation

Apple has been using metadata for what... a decade? Longer than
that even?
Oh well, it did take MS 11 years to catch up with Apple regarding
using long file names, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

[iKenny]

On Apple

I'll admit that Vista does seem to have a significant number of
features drawn directly from OS X. I myself am a Mac user all the
way. Let's not forget, however, that Spotlight in its current
implementation is, in my opinion, still weak and crippled.
Reasons why:
1) No complex searches through the Spotlight menu
2) Can't choose "Does not contain" in the finder searches (?!)
3) Sorts photos by date opened, not date taken
4) Sorts e-mails by date opened, not date received (who wants
to know when you last looked at it??)
4) Searching for (in)visibility is (still) broken
5) Can't search for e-mails in the Finder

That's not to say Apple's Spotlight is a complete disaster. I still
use it all the time. In addition, I'll agree that it's taken MS a long
time, but at the moment it appears that their use of metadata in
terms of searching, with the ability to even tag your own files
with new metadata tags, is far more elegant than Apple's.

Apple still has the chance to make it up and more, however,
since by the time Vista comes out we'll have 10.5 "Leopard"

[catchall]

Everyone has been using metadata

for quite a while. MS, Apple, Adobe. Both MS and Apple are just expanding its ease and use.
Sorry fan boy, no 'innovation' or lead by Apple here. 'guess I shouldn't be surprised' you wouldn't know that

Yes, but...

Why didn't these genious analysts warn all Apple users, make a front page headline and sensationalize the story?

While both Apple and MS need better tools to perhaps prompt the user with the metadata attached to a file when they try and email or copy the file, most users would ignore it anyway.

In the end this story is another piece of anti-MS journalism, combined with the idea that people shouldn't (or can't) take responsibility for their own actions and security of their data.

The industry can do better in providing users with data, but when the masses don't know or understand why stripping the metadata is important what are vendors to do?

My 2 cents...

[robertcampbell2]

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Microsoft, like Apple, has been using metadata for years. In Vista they've simply given the user a different way of adding/removing metadata. What Gartner wants is confusing at best, ill thought out and defeats the purpose of metadata.

Gartner wants the removal of metadata automated. That's idiotic.

In the company I work for, we want metadata automaticially inserted into documents and we encourage users to add more. If MS followed Gartners advice, the metadata would automaticially removed, making content management and indexing a nightmare.

Microsfot has provided a tool to remove metadata. Thats what we want. What we don't want is another feature that assumes we want a task done and then does automaticially. Leave those choices to us.

Merck and SCO apparently left the tracking changes feature of Word untouched. If they had read up on tracking changes, they would have been able to prevent anyone else from seeing the changes or not track the changes at all. This has less to do with metadata, then it does with user education. Or as they say in manufacturing, "operator error". Note also that tracking changes if off by default, you have to turn it on.


Gartner's advice (or is it the unamed analysts advice), to "avoid Windows Vista until the issue is addressed in an integrated fashion," is absolutely absurd and shows further compounds a poorly researched article.

[just_some_guy]

Agreed.

Is the new trend to criticize Microsoft for not bundling enough with Windows? The critics really need to stick to a consistent argument. I'm sure Google would be happy to provide some advanced tools for searching and manipulating metadata, but according to the author of this article, Microsoft should preempt that.

[thanhvn]

Ditto

Metadata is there for reason: it's useful. Yes, it could be embarrassing if released, but it's useful. Stripping out ALL metadata (via automation) is just not a realistic option. On the other hand, how can a "tool" knows what metadata should be strip out and what should remain? Only a human can make that kind of decision. But then again, humans are an absent-minded lot. So, dammed if you, damned if you don't.

The only realistic way to deal with this problem is a good metadata policy, that is strictly enforced. This will reduce, but 100% prevent, embarassing disclosures.

[John Kuzak]

tool to remove metadata

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[zaznet]

Ease of use the biggest threat to security.

Ease of use has always been the biggest threat to system and personal data security. This is hardly very different.

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Excessive complexity is the second biggest threay

When you make things to complex to use, the users find ways around the complexity. The key is to find a balance between ease of use and complexity but since some users are more savvy than others you've got to be able to move the balance point to match the user. That's never easy.