Comments on: Microsoft delivers Windows Live Mail beta

Long-planned replacement for Hotmail, now part of Microsoft's grand "Live" plan for free Web-based tools, gets a refresh.

[triexel]

Copy Cats

I believe that most of that is already available in Gmail. Why is it that Google comes out with all this amazing new stuff and all big companies like Microsoft do is copy it. I will never understand that.

[johnrf82]

Not copying Google

While they may have copied the 2GB thing, they certainly didn't copy the webmail part.

If you've used Outlook Web Access before, this is just a cleaned up version of that applied to Hotmail. MS has been using AJAX in OWA before Google was even a thought...although it's nice to see MS taking it public.

[jpaxton]

Copy Cats

"The goal in rebuilding the service from the ground up is to improve performance and enable desktop-like e-mail features found in its Outlook program". Check www.canyonbridge.com, they have already done this.

[FutureGuy]

Ignorance

Outlook Web Access has been around for more then 5 years now, way before the term AJAX was even coined. Go home and take rest.

[BazNZ]

Hmm...

?Windows Live Mail also offers users 2 gigabytes of free storage compared with the 250 megabytes that's available for free with Hotmail?
I'm still waiting to go from 2MB to 250MB.

[Earl Benser]

Caution, perhaps?????

I'd hate to think that Microsoft might be reading my email to learn
what ads to send me. Now, they really wouldn't do that, would
they????

Maybe they would.....
....... So I don't think that I'll tempt them with my email.

[VI Joker]

Why?

If you have gmail then you are already getting it, sound like the evil empires are taking up the same tactics.

[FutureGuy]

you are right

You should just use GMail, Google definitely wouldn't do anything like that.

[X-C3PO]

Gates is an old man

No innovation and creative,...
He never receive the good comments from his "low level" employees.
His email account own by the stupid screener, he only receive mails says "you are greatest man in the world"
"what a great idea"
Share price drop will keep continue...

[pjianwei]

It is easy to bash the big guys.

All big guys get bashed, MS,wal-mart, GM, Coca Cola, McDonalds, US govt(they deserved it though), Dell. I suppose the majority of people who vote through their wallet are wrong, the most of the world are idiots, the few who are different are the gifted ones. It is too easy to moan about the shortcomings and neglect the goods that have been done. I believe most will rather own Microsoft than Apples/ Google, the company i mean not the shares.

[Earl Benser]

You suppose right....

... most people don't have a clue about what they are buying. They
do what they are 'told'. Most didn't have a choice, and don't want
one. Choices just confuse them.

[MarkBentley]

Not everyone would

True; many tech users just want an easy answer that avoids the education entailed in a detailed product comparison. This category may even be in the majority. But there are plenty of people out there that want choice, if only to realize that the corporate colossus is, in the end, the best choice. The more involved tech users will certainly opt for options.

While we do vote with our wallets in support of big business, we still appreciate the fallback provision of a smaller competitor who usually picks up the pieces when the big dogs loose touch with the customer. It happens more than you realize. How do you think today's monsters got to be so big?

[whozzit]

While everyone goes on about all this great email stuff, what about someone who has been online since 1993, has never used web mail and will never use web mail? Such as Hotmail, Yahoo mail, etc? The only secure email systems are POP3 systems with your corespondence stored on your own machine... not some rinky-dink server online somewhere. Any online storage of anything is wide open to hackers and equipment failures. And that goes double for this "MS Cloud" computing. Totally unexceptable to anyone that knows what they're doing.

[whozzit]

There is something else to consider here, where choice is concerned. For the most part, the computer buying public represents one big nincompoop. In the beginning they went out an bought computers with Windows on them. Windows had a browser and an email handler; Internet Explorer and Outlook Express. The public's next step was to rush out and pay for something that they already had, a browser and an email handler (AOL)! I've been online since 1993 and AOL has never darkened my doorstep. AOL was a clear-cut case of lemmings and advertising. And, in the end, AOL took the money and ran.

[aabcdefghij987654321]

Does it do OutLook virus the same as standard MS e-mail products?

My guess would be yes, it is a Microsloth product after all.

[erikalynne]

disappointed with the mail beat

I can NO LONGER open my hotmail account since about 2 weeks after I switched to the mail beta. Isn't it funny how yahoo has offer me the choice to switch back but hotmail has not? Or at least has not offered me the choice in a way that I can access it. I dont even know how to complain about this except find every site I can that comments about the beta and complain until I'm offered to switch back. Sorry if I seem a little harse but it's been weeks, I have 46 UNREAD EMAILS, I've tried to log on NUMEROUS TIMES, on 2 DIFFERENT COMPUTERS and it just freezes up. I've also found other complaints about the account and am considering taking the spam I get with yahoo and only using that account, that is of course once I get access to my unread mail and contact list from hotmail so I can email all my contacts and tell them NOT to use the mail beta. If anyone knows how I can switch back to the old hotmail PLEASE tell me, it would be greatly appreciated.

[dscheff]

More Dead than Live...

I agree! I had 68 emails and could not access them. Just clicking on the Inbox would produce a (Not Responding) message. In the end I set up Outlook Express to pick up my hotmail...
I also have found no way back to the old trusted and, working well, version of Hotmail. As far as I'm concerned it's a dead horse.

[cdewsnip]

Switching back to hotmail

I am also disappointed with Live Mail Beta and have been looking to switch back to Hotmail. I finally found out how to do it. Click on Options in the top right corner, then click on More Options and one of the options there is to switch back to Hotmail.

[mwbuford]

Confused

I must admit to being confused about Outlook vs Outlook Express vs the Windows Live Mail desktop client. Why would I want to use one vs. the other? Is there a review or guide published somewhere that would help me figure out which is best for me? I'm assuming Outlook is the most feature-rich and the most expensive. And that the Live Mail desktop client has features approaching Outlook but has the advantage of being free. Am I close?

[whozzit]

Not too close. Outlook Express is the most secure of the bunch and can be used with your POP3 email account, no matter who it is with. It is also the most feature rich. Windows Mail (in Vista) seems to be on a line with Outlook Express. Outlook, on the other hand, resembles web mail more than anything else and is virtually "featureless" The Windows Live email offering is all web mail and is totally not secure..

[whozzit]

Not too close. Outlook Express is the most secure of the bunch and can be used with your POP3 email account, no matter who it is with. It is also the most feature rich. Windows Mail (in Vista) seems to be on a line with Outlook Express. Outlook, on the other hand, resembles web mail more than anything else and is virtually "featureless" The Windows Live email offering is all web mail and is totally not secure..

[whozzit]

And, by the way, MS was shortsighted enough to release Vista with several un-needed and un-wanted features such as UAC pop-ups and things of that nature. These are easily remove with third party software designed to remove them... completely.

[whozzit]

For security purposes Hotmail needed to be replaced a long time ago... but not with "Live" and more web based email and tools. Web based apps of any kind are no place to store anything! Believe it or not, anything stored online is wide open to "hookers and Hackers" and inspection. Get a bigger hard disk drive and don't leave your stuff "hanging out there." Stay with a POP3 email system and keep what's yours on your own machine.

[whozzit]

You guys are going to have to get a little more educated on security and web based anything. One of your ports (into your computer) is already owned by your ISP, password protected from the outside by your ISP and there is no way that you can close that port. That port is required by federal law for use at such times as the data on your computer may be "required" to be inspected. It's there, I know it, I tried to close it and wasn't able to, and I called my ISP about it. They explained to me the federal law that requires that port to be there. They explained to me that I shouldn't worry about it; that it's protected with a 40 digit password that they change on a regular basis.