Comments on: Microsoft rejects Visual Studio delay request

Developers petition for Visual Studio beta 3 and product delay to fix bugs. Microsoft says "no" and adds another significant feature.

[System Tyrant]

As much as I...

dislike Microsoft most of the time, I have to admit I was inamored by Visual Studio. As a starting developer I was just awstruck by the thing. I won't judge it's quality since I don't use it anymore, but I will say that it seam to have all the things a developer could want. BUT, do to the fact that live in the multi-platform world I chose to use Java. It does everything I could want and is well supported.

I suppose someone is going to argue that Microsoft doesn't listen to developers, but if that is true it will only hurt them. If developers don't believe that Visual Studio is ready when Microsoft releases it they probably won't buy and use it. Of course I do know a few people who jumped ship after using the first .net Visual Studio, but not many.

Personally, I would like to see Object Pascal become standardized and better supported. I really like Object Pascal, but their just isn't a lot of support (or low cost IDE) that I've found. Maybe someday.

[System Tyrant]

As much as I...

dislike Microsoft most of the time, I have to admit I was inamored by Visual Studio. As a starting developer I was just awstruck by the thing. I won't judge it's quality since I don't use it anymore, but I will say that it seam to have all the things a developer could want. BUT, do to the fact that live in the multi-platform world I chose to use Java. It does everything I could want and is well supported.

I suppose someone is going to argue that Microsoft doesn't listen to developers, but if that is true it will only hurt them. If developers don't believe that Visual Studio is ready when Microsoft releases it they probably won't buy and use it. Of course I do know a few people who jumped ship after using the first .net Visual Studio, but not many.

Personally, I would like to see Object Pascal become standardized and better supported. I really like Object Pascal, but their just isn't a lot of support (or low cost IDE) that I've found. Maybe someday.

[samkass]

These people obviously don't know Microsoft

"'I'd rather have a good product 6 months from now than a mediocre one in 3 months,' wrote Clint Stotesbery last Thursday."

This developer obviously doesn't have much experience with Microsoft. If not for a broken version 7, how else would they get you to buy version 8? On top of that, to delay revenue in 3 months in order to put out a later product that makes people less likely to upgrade in the future is a losing proposition.

Microsoft-- cheap software fast, and fix it later (for a nominal fee.)

[folsco]

Huh?

"This developer obviously doesn't have much experience with Microsoft. If not for a broken version 7, how else would they get you to buy version 8? On top of that, to delay revenue in 3 months in order to put out a later product that makes people less likely to upgrade in the future is a losing proposition."

How do you mean? That visual studio is not a good software? Don't think u know what u're saying. Go and give it a try and see things for yourself. VS .Net is the best IDE i've ever come accross. I'm a Borland developer prior to coming to C#, and since then I never look back. VS.NEt is coooooooool.

[samkass]

These people obviously don't know Microsoft

"'I'd rather have a good product 6 months from now than a mediocre one in 3 months,' wrote Clint Stotesbery last Thursday."

This developer obviously doesn't have much experience with Microsoft. If not for a broken version 7, how else would they get you to buy version 8? On top of that, to delay revenue in 3 months in order to put out a later product that makes people less likely to upgrade in the future is a losing proposition.

Microsoft-- cheap software fast, and fix it later (for a nominal fee.)

[folsco]

Huh?

"This developer obviously doesn't have much experience with Microsoft. If not for a broken version 7, how else would they get you to buy version 8? On top of that, to delay revenue in 3 months in order to put out a later product that makes people less likely to upgrade in the future is a losing proposition."

How do you mean? That visual studio is not a good software? Don't think u know what u're saying. Go and give it a try and see things for yourself. VS .Net is the best IDE i've ever come accross. I'm a Borland developer prior to coming to C#, and since then I never look back. VS.NEt is coooooooool.

[Earl Benser]

Damn the Torpedoes...

.... , or bugs, or crappy programming, or whatever, FULL SPEED
AHEAD...After all, no one can be allowed to get in the way of
another MS surge into the market place.

But that's MS.... And that's why I don't use MS products except as a
last resort. There are too many other good products available, ....
without the bugs,... or crappy programming,.... or whatever.

[Earl Benser]

Damn the Torpedoes...

.... , or bugs, or crappy programming, or whatever, FULL SPEED
AHEAD...After all, no one can be allowed to get in the way of
another MS surge into the market place.

But that's MS.... And that's why I don't use MS products except as a
last resort. There are too many other good products available, ....
without the bugs,... or crappy programming,.... or whatever.

[Jeff Putz]

Duh, it's beta!

I've been using VS 2005 since it was alpha. Beta 2 is in pretty good shape overall. It's not perfect, but that's because it's beta! Beta != RTM.

I'm seriously annoyed with the .NET developer community.
http://weblogs.asp.net/jeff/archive/2005/08/12/422405.aspx

[202578300049013666264380294439]

Duh! What is that link you posted?

Hey Jeff, what's with the link you posted? Some kind of prank?

Oh...wait, I bet it is some kind of non-standard Microsoft browser only link. It sure as heck doesn't open properly in standard browsers, all kinds of errors.

[Jeff Putz]

Duh, it's beta!

I've been using VS 2005 since it was alpha. Beta 2 is in pretty good shape overall. It's not perfect, but that's because it's beta! Beta != RTM.

I'm seriously annoyed with the .NET developer community.
http://weblogs.asp.net/jeff/archive/2005/08/12/422405.aspx

[202578300049013666264380294439]

Duh! What is that link you posted?

Hey Jeff, what's with the link you posted? Some kind of prank?

Oh...wait, I bet it is some kind of non-standard Microsoft browser only link. It sure as heck doesn't open properly in standard browsers, all kinds of errors.

[202578300049013666264380294439]

Stupid M$ product using people never learn.

Has everyone else also noticed that applications developed on M$ platforms, like Virus Basic and .NOT, perform 1/2 as well as other applications? Slower, buggy, crash a lot. You can see a VB app coming before it finishes loading.

So, you M$ fans...tell me when VB didn't suck. I sure haven't seen it. What were you expecting differently from the latest release? Get real.

[davidj7738]

Microsoft Products

Microsoft has released good products and no software publisher has released a major product that did not contain any bugs and/or possible security loophole.

I use several programs that have been written in vb6, vb.net, c#, c#.net, c, c++, java, j#, pure asm and generally really could not give a care as to what language the developer used. some programs could use a boost and a good profiler will assist the programmer in finding possible slowdowns in their program. Or just creating a dll in asm and calling that .dll..

about the only way that I can determine what the programmer wrote a section of code in is via a detailed analysis of the code.

Used to build projects using the Borland Suite of tools but have switched to Visual Studio lately

[202578300049013666264380294439]

Stupid M$ product using people never learn.

Has everyone else also noticed that applications developed on M$ platforms, like Virus Basic and .NOT, perform 1/2 as well as other applications? Slower, buggy, crash a lot. You can see a VB app coming before it finishes loading.

So, you M$ fans...tell me when VB didn't suck. I sure haven't seen it. What were you expecting differently from the latest release? Get real.

[davidj7738]

Microsoft Products

Microsoft has released good products and no software publisher has released a major product that did not contain any bugs and/or possible security loophole.

I use several programs that have been written in vb6, vb.net, c#, c#.net, c, c++, java, j#, pure asm and generally really could not give a care as to what language the developer used. some programs could use a boost and a good profiler will assist the programmer in finding possible slowdowns in their program. Or just creating a dll in asm and calling that .dll..

about the only way that I can determine what the programmer wrote a section of code in is via a detailed analysis of the code.

Used to build projects using the Borland Suite of tools but have switched to Visual Studio lately

[Mendz]

Microsoft should meet the deadline

Because there are companies planning around the new product based on the promised deadline. I agree that no company desires to release a beta quality product to production. So you can trust them for now...

[Mendz]

Microsoft should meet the deadline

Because there are companies planning around the new product based on the promised deadline. I agree that no company desires to release a beta quality product to production. So you can trust them for now...

Real release or only beta-patch

I tell you for X64 version of Windows.I've seen all roadmap(from two years ago) and actual result is definitive version, but is not easy to find a really IDE-RAID for develop application and way into Microsoft for create this application type is not simple.For Linux, roadmap is not same time and integration is better(i think to java jdk for 64 bit environment).And for last, into my laptop, noone version X64 run; my laptop is Athlon 64 and shall be for this o.s.Into other my pc, with Opteron, i'm not experienced problem, but for laptop request is for APIC enabled.For Microsoft problem is for product, for productor problem is for Microsoft; at this time, after more three months, i cannot have bios update or patch from Microsoft for Windows.
Achil

Real release or only beta-patch

I tell you for X64 version of Windows.I've seen all roadmap(from two years ago) and actual result is definitive version, but is not easy to find a really IDE-RAID for develop application and way into Microsoft for create this application type is not simple.For Linux, roadmap is not same time and integration is better(i think to java jdk for 64 bit environment).And for last, into my laptop, noone version X64 run; my laptop is Athlon 64 and shall be for this o.s.Into other my pc, with Opteron, i'm not experienced problem, but for laptop request is for APIC enabled.For Microsoft problem is for product, for productor problem is for Microsoft; at this time, after more three months, i cannot have bios update or patch from Microsoft for Windows.
Achil

WTH? My project is still on VC6.

I hope they've fixed the linker.

WTH? My project is still on VC6.

I hope they've fixed the linker.

We will have to wait and see

I think that all this talk is entirely premature.

VS.NET 8 seems to be a hell of a product, with lots of tools that no other IDE has "as-is", besides all the enhancements that the .NET Framework 2.0 introduces.

We will have to wait and see

I think that all this talk is entirely premature.

VS.NET 8 seems to be a hell of a product, with lots of tools that no other IDE has "as-is", besides all the enhancements that the .NET Framework 2.0 introduces.