Comments on: Adobe details Creative Suite update

Release will be first major update of tools since 2003. Highlights to include new releases of Photoshop and Illustrator.

[Earl Benser]

CS may be nice....

... but it's a gross overkill for the work I need to do. Once Aldus
had two great programs for the Mac - Superpaint and
Pagemaker. But when Adobe bought Aldus, Adobe just let these
programs die, first SuperPaint, then Pagemaker.

But these were just the right programs for so much DTP work.
No CS app can do the same thing without unbelievable
complications. And Adobe doesn't has the smarts to know that
Photoshop is NOT a replacement for SuperPaint (But that's what
Adobe support will try to tell you.)

SuperPaint and Pagemaker are not coming back. And I am not
going to buy another Adobe product. I am even eliminating the
Adobe products I have as fast as I f can find effctive
replacements.

For those of you who live and breathe Adobe products, save
your time and words. I have seen what Adobe can do, and what
it has done. There's nothing you can add to the story.

Adobe won't miss my business, and I won't miss them.

[System Tyrant]

Relax and take a deep breath.

I have used every adobe product (well at least all of the ones included in CS). I have not found a replacement for Photoshop or InDesign. I don't use GoLive because I like Dreamweaver. I don't use Illustrator or Acrobat.

I can't say that I have ever used SuperPaint, but I have used PhotoImpact, Paintshop Pro, the Gimp, etc. I don't find any of them to be as useful as Photoshop. That's not to say they aren't good programs, they just aren't for me. Haven't tried Adobes Element series yet.

[Earl Benser]

CS may be nice....

... but it's a gross overkill for the work I need to do. Once Aldus
had two great programs for the Mac - Superpaint and
Pagemaker. But when Adobe bought Aldus, Adobe just let these
programs die, first SuperPaint, then Pagemaker.

But these were just the right programs for so much DTP work.
No CS app can do the same thing without unbelievable
complications. And Adobe doesn't has the smarts to know that
Photoshop is NOT a replacement for SuperPaint (But that's what
Adobe support will try to tell you.)

SuperPaint and Pagemaker are not coming back. And I am not
going to buy another Adobe product. I am even eliminating the
Adobe products I have as fast as I f can find effctive
replacements.

For those of you who live and breathe Adobe products, save
your time and words. I have seen what Adobe can do, and what
it has done. There's nothing you can add to the story.

Adobe won't miss my business, and I won't miss them.

[System Tyrant]

Relax and take a deep breath.

I have used every adobe product (well at least all of the ones included in CS). I have not found a replacement for Photoshop or InDesign. I don't use GoLive because I like Dreamweaver. I don't use Illustrator or Acrobat.

I can't say that I have ever used SuperPaint, but I have used PhotoImpact, Paintshop Pro, the Gimp, etc. I don't find any of them to be as useful as Photoshop. That's not to say they aren't good programs, they just aren't for me. Haven't tried Adobes Element series yet.

There is no replacement for photoshop or illustrator

I use both products and have done a lot of graphics work both with photos and vector art. There is no product on the market w/ the power and flexibility to match Adobe. My only complaint is that their products are not available for Linux. Truthfully, Adobe is the only reason I still run Microsoft XP. Once Adobe offers a linux version - good-bye Gates.

[Rusdude]

Yes, but...

... a majority of people, who use Photoshop just because they think that's what they're supposed to use, could make do with Fireworks.

[Earl Benser]

For the work you do....

... that may be true. I don't need an Adobe 'powerhouse' for my
rather uncomplicated work. So I am checking out all the KISS
apps I can find to replace Adobe products.

There is no replacement for photoshop or illustrator

I use both products and have done a lot of graphics work both with photos and vector art. There is no product on the market w/ the power and flexibility to match Adobe. My only complaint is that their products are not available for Linux. Truthfully, Adobe is the only reason I still run Microsoft XP. Once Adobe offers a linux version - good-bye Gates.

[Rusdude]

Yes, but...

... a majority of people, who use Photoshop just because they think that's what they're supposed to use, could make do with Fireworks.

[Earl Benser]

For the work you do....

... that may be true. I don't need an Adobe 'powerhouse' for my
rather uncomplicated work. So I am checking out all the KISS
apps I can find to replace Adobe products.

Beware: CS2 Uses PACE Copy Protection!

You might think twice before buying any of the CS2 products. They use PACE copy protection, which essentially means that moving your software from one computer to another will no longer be possible. What it does is give Adobe access to YOUR hard drive, and let's them authorize that drive. If you have a hard drive failure, tough luck. I've dealt with this scheme on my digital audio applications, and it is a royal mess.

I have been a loyal Adobe user, but I WILL NOT put any more PACE garbage on my system. Stick with CS1 or go for one of the alternatives is my advice.

[System Tyrant]

Software Protection

I don't really know that much about PACE, but I do know that software companies that put heavy restriction on their software are going to start loosing business. It may not be a huge number, but many other companies are enjoying customers who are sick of these restrictions.

I understand that companies like Adobe are trying to prevent piracy, but their has to be a better way. Personally, when I buy a copy of some software I don't intend to rebuy it because I replace my hardware. Now a lot of companies that use product activation have way to deal with this, but I still don't want the aggrevation.

[Earl Benser]

Pace is trying...

... to provide effective software protection. I am considering a
Pace product for the applications I license. Still, when I buy a app
for either personal or business use, I want to be able to run that
app on whichever of my computers I happen to be using,
without any complications.

But there aren't many apps that will allow that. MS's OS's and
apps don;'t - each computer needs a separate serial number for
each item. Macromedia works the same way, as far as I can tell.
It seems that my usage is not inappropriate, but tell that to the
software publishers. And then see how well they listen......

[Adobe01]

Adobe's Activation Policy

Please refer to http://www.adobe.com/activation for full details on Adobe's Activation policies.

Beware: CS2 Uses PACE Copy Protection!

You might think twice before buying any of the CS2 products. They use PACE copy protection, which essentially means that moving your software from one computer to another will no longer be possible. What it does is give Adobe access to YOUR hard drive, and let's them authorize that drive. If you have a hard drive failure, tough luck. I've dealt with this scheme on my digital audio applications, and it is a royal mess.

I have been a loyal Adobe user, but I WILL NOT put any more PACE garbage on my system. Stick with CS1 or go for one of the alternatives is my advice.

[System Tyrant]

Software Protection

I don't really know that much about PACE, but I do know that software companies that put heavy restriction on their software are going to start loosing business. It may not be a huge number, but many other companies are enjoying customers who are sick of these restrictions.

I understand that companies like Adobe are trying to prevent piracy, but their has to be a better way. Personally, when I buy a copy of some software I don't intend to rebuy it because I replace my hardware. Now a lot of companies that use product activation have way to deal with this, but I still don't want the aggrevation.

[Earl Benser]

Pace is trying...

... to provide effective software protection. I am considering a
Pace product for the applications I license. Still, when I buy a app
for either personal or business use, I want to be able to run that
app on whichever of my computers I happen to be using,
without any complications.

But there aren't many apps that will allow that. MS's OS's and
apps don;'t - each computer needs a separate serial number for
each item. Macromedia works the same way, as far as I can tell.
It seems that my usage is not inappropriate, but tell that to the
software publishers. And then see how well they listen......

[Adobe01]

Adobe's Activation Policy

Please refer to http://www.adobe.com/activation for full details on Adobe's Activation policies.

[ivand67]

Hackers will crack the PACE protection

If they haven't done it already, they will. I know the software hasn't been released but for other programs using PACE, hackers on the "scene" have already cracked the stupid copy protection.

And at those OFFENSIVE, INSULTING PRICES, I would say only about 20% of Photoshop users will actually have paid for the software.

Adobe, Microsoft, and Macromedia are the 3 biggest companies that come to mind that abuse the fact that their products are the market leaders and continue to RAPE HONEST AND HARD-WORKING PEOPLE.

The open source community isn't like that. It never will be.

Boycott these and any other companies that charge too much for the software you need and look for alternatives, if you can.

Or download a cracked version. Don't spend half your paycheck on a CD with software that can be copied freely, easily and most importantly, at about 20 cents a piece.

It's UNFAIR, and no matter how hard they try to encrypt the software activation, hackers will always have the upper hand.

If Photoshop sold for $69, a fair price, it would sell like hell and they'd probably make more money.

Huh?

I don't agree with downloading cracked software, but I do agree that these prices are highway robbery. Adobe has created a monopoly with Photoshop, and now they want to charge through the nose for an upgrade and put the PACE garbage on your system.

Go for open source folks!

[ivand67]

Hackers will crack the PACE protection

If they haven't done it already, they will. I know the software hasn't been released but for other programs using PACE, hackers on the "scene" have already cracked the stupid copy protection.

And at those OFFENSIVE, INSULTING PRICES, I would say only about 20% of Photoshop users will actually have paid for the software.

Adobe, Microsoft, and Macromedia are the 3 biggest companies that come to mind that abuse the fact that their products are the market leaders and continue to RAPE HONEST AND HARD-WORKING PEOPLE.

The open source community isn't like that. It never will be.

Boycott these and any other companies that charge too much for the software you need and look for alternatives, if you can.

Or download a cracked version. Don't spend half your paycheck on a CD with software that can be copied freely, easily and most importantly, at about 20 cents a piece.

It's UNFAIR, and no matter how hard they try to encrypt the software activation, hackers will always have the upper hand.

If Photoshop sold for $69, a fair price, it would sell like hell and they'd probably make more money.

Huh?

I don't agree with downloading cracked software, but I do agree that these prices are highway robbery. Adobe has created a monopoly with Photoshop, and now they want to charge through the nose for an upgrade and put the PACE garbage on your system.

Go for open source folks!