Comments on: Microsoft warns of hole in Video ActiveX control

Microsoft says limited attacks have exploited a hole in the ActiveX control, a component of Windows Media Center used for recording and playing television video.

[monkeyfun14]

Okay they need to get rid of this damn thing.

No one uses it but them.

[Random_Walk]

ActiveX? I agree, perfectly... it would also be a big step towards maintaining web standards.

OTOH, There are likely to be a zillion XP users who desperately need it for updates, sicne I doubt that Microsoft could (or rather, would) replace the functionality with an applet or a stand-alone client-side app (which in all honesty they should have done, but...)

[Vegaman_Dan]

Hmm, so there's a useful purpose in the 'Fix it fo me" feature finally? Not bad.

[monkeyfun14]

Sad thing is if they were to abandon Active X their is still a huge group of people that are going to say they are just abandoning a platform.

So they are damned if they do and damned if they don't =S

[Lerianis3]

Right in one! Fact is that Active X was a good idea AT THE TIME.... until we realized that penetrating Windows XP was so farking easy! I'm betting that if this control was run in IE protected mode in Vista, that the virus wouldn't be able to get into your system.

[sevenalive]

Well i agree they should get rid of it for Vista and up, they really can't for XP. XP uses activeX for it's windows update website, vista, 2008, 7 have a program and don't use a website for windows updates.

They are not going to getrid of it because they would have to rely of automatic updates of XP, or build a whole new update system like they did for vista. IE 8 should of gotten rid of it and that is the cause of most exploits on the windows platform.

[monkeyfun14]

When XP goes into unsupported mode in the year 2060 maybe they will get rid of it.


[sarcasm for those you don't get it]

[jake3373]

The problem here is that too many people won't switch from XP - I was one of them, until I tried Windows 7 RC. (And yes, I did have Vista on another computer - as a network developer, Vista is the worst OS)

[regulas1]

I love this, right under this article, just above the comment section is a advert trying to install malware, "Click here to scan your PC" for the latest virus, LOL I should click it and see how my Linux rig handles it.

[monkeyfun14]

Probably require you to manually compile it.

Sorry had to say it lol.

[Lerianis3]

Seems like Microsoft needs to stop including some of these ActiveX controls until they are written so that they don't have any holes in them. ActiveX is no more secure or insecure as having plugins in something like Firefox, those can be taken advantage of if they are poorly written as well.

[Random_Walk]

I sincerely doubt that... ActiveX was written specifically to allow a path between web server and client userland.

Also, FF doesn't come with the add-ons you mention (some do exist with this functionality - one of them written by Microsoft, no less for .NET compatibility, IIRC).

IE on the other hand gives you ActiveX whether you want it or not (in all fairness it can be turned off in many different ways if you know how, but then half of microsoft.com would go dark...)

[Lerianis3]

Random_Walk, you are forgetting that most people using Firefox will have one or more plugins, so yes: if they find a hole in a WIDELY USED plugin, it can be exploited just as easily as ActiveX can.

As to ActiveX being able to be turned off.... yeah, it can, but as you said, most sites on the internet use AT LEAST one ActiveX control in them, save if they are written for Firefox.

[Random_Walk]

That's the thing - they have to go get the add-ons. They're not there by default.

...and where did I say that "most" sites use "at least one ActiveX control"? I find them to be somewhat rare... outside of microsoft.com, anyway.

[jake3373]

@Lerianis
I only know one site that uses ActiveX: microsoft.com

I am a web developer, and I would never actually develop for Internet Explorer only - then the other half of the world who knows that there are better things than IE (like the ones who use Firefox, Chrome, Safari, Opera...) would probably instantly leave my site.

[Inconnux]

Active X was always a security joke... any big surprises that theres another hole?

[baconstang]

Wow! This is a first. No Mac commenters.

[gertruded]

The article says it all, why even comment.

[dbloyd]

LOL

[queticomn]

Not a mac man here, I'm a Penguin man, l@ugh right along with you macheads! hehehe.

[jake3373]

I am a windows user, but I am still against ActiveX

[blleong2008]

The workaround that MS has posted for the security problem http://support.microsoft.com/kb/972890#FixItForMe is incorrectly labelled. The workaround should be DISABLING the MS Video ActiveX Control. The button on that page that says "Enable workaround" downloads a .msi program that ENABLES the ActiveX control, according to the tooltip for the .msi file. The button that says "Disable workaround" downloads a .msi program that DISABLES the control, again according to its tooltip.

If the tooltips for the .msi programs are to be believed over the button labels on MS's web page, then users are doing exactly the wrong thing when they think that they are applying a temporary fix to this serious security problem. Microsoft needs to straighten this out and then issue yet another media release telling people who downloaded the earlier "fix" that they are still vulnerable.

This screwup still exists as of July 6 at 20:40.

[guest86]

Oh really!!!!?

I don't use Internet Explorer anymore. Move to XP and set up Firefox and SeaMonkey running very wonderful without worry about risk affect on IE only. Right?

Microsoft must stop force people use Windows Vista then move back to XP. Windows XP is very great so far! Windows XP fans must stick with XP because a lot of people complaint on Vista. Wait look froward to Windows 7 or newer. XP is best for old and new gaming since like old school fans.

[twitter_1963]

ActiveX is a plug-in like any other, ADOBE, FLEX . Look how plugins are available for Firefox, many of them buggy and certainly all of them open to security problems. Look here for Mozilla known vulnerabilities if you don't believe me! http://www.mozilla.org/security/known-vulnerabilities/ - Firefox, IE and Chrome are just Fat Clients and like all FAT CLIENTS built by someone else that connect to the outside world (even Safari and Apple) have security issues. Search Google for "APPLE SECURITY PATCHES" and you'll see, pro-rate for the number of IE V Safari users, Apple does have a high risk too.

93% of business users, maybe higher use IE. Firefox has been out for years and even CIO's and IT Managers that use Firefox personally wouldn't risk their user base on it!

[shellcodes_coder]

Another reason to use Vista and 7. Anyways Windows 7 RTM will be released to MSDN subscribers within a couple of days. Can't wait

[king-salomon1000]

Narkolayev discovered this issue, read his blog.

[slapppy]

That Microsoft TAX running total is getting bigger and bigger every day. Unlike the so called TAX for Macs, the TAX for Microsoft has cost over 9 billions dollars alone from the last worm. Good job MS.

[weegg]

Active X must die.

[chuckbexmsft]

Many of those making comments should re-read the article. A direct-show exploit was found by buggy QuickTime software. Direct-show should do a better job of protecting from sloppy coders, but ActiveX has no more to do with the exploit than the compiler used to build the code! If they want to complain about buggy, sloppy code, then they should be complaining about the QuickTime developers.

[gidstelios]

Active X??? What's that??? I'm kidding. I stopped using IE long time ago. Still Microsoft needs to rebuild their site if they are going to get rid of Active X.