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Comments on: Report: Smart-grid hackers could cause blackouts

IOActive cybersecurity experts say someone with $500 of equipment and materials could "take command and control...allowing for the en masse manipulation of (electricity) service."

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by H4MM3R March 21, 2009 2:38 PM PDT
7 years ago the PBS program Frontline covered this same story. Frontline: Cyber War!
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by bob1xxxx March 21, 2009 3:46 PM PDT
This is old old old news and it wasnt cyber hackers that did this most effectively it was energy traders,remember the California blackouts caused by manipulating energy trades , remember ENRON? hmmmm, gods what next stories that the earth really isn't flat. Wow please blog something really news worthy or not at all, stories like this just makes Cnet looks dumber and dumber by the minute and the sale to cbs has only accelerated the process.
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by Lerianis3 March 22, 2009 3:15 AM PDT
Yeah, it's more likely that blackouts will be caused by shenanigans on the market than by anything else, including someone hacking into power companies.
by H4MM3R March 21, 2009 6:21 PM PDT
The Pros and Cons of the smart meter

Pros
Better security
Stronger Grid
More flexibility
Knowledge of usage
Remote control of usage

Cons
Allowing Utilities to have a surcharge to pay for the smart grid
decoupling= Higher cost per KWh.
Carbon tax
Green tax
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by robertmacewan March 21, 2009 8:02 PM PDT
jesus not this freaking ghost chase again
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by rafaluis March 21, 2009 9:44 PM PDT
this story is no doubt paid for by a consortium of utility companies and fossil fuel producers - its a joke - digital technology is good enough for telecommunications and even our banks but not the grid ... oh golly gee it probably gets especially vulnerable to mayhem if you connect the system to a wind farm
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by Lerianis3 March 22, 2009 3:18 AM PDT
WEll, there are some people who have said that telecommunications equipment at the banks is insecure as well: look at all the **** that happened when people hacked into the banks on numerous occasions.
This kind of stuff needs to be bulletproof, with multiple layers of redundancy built into the system and multiple firewalls to get past if it is going to be used on the electric grid.
by akiba_freak March 21, 2009 11:09 PM PDT
The original post came from Travis Goodspeed's blog on a side channel attack for 802.15.4. He has talked about vulnerabilities in wireless sensor networks. I've written up an a post that responds to this at http://www.freaklabs.org .

Akiba
FreakLabs Open Source Zigbee Project
http://www.freaklabs.org
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by March 22, 2009 9:29 AM PDT
It may be a rehash of an old story, but we need not forget the 2003 blackout caused by the Microsoft worm. rafaluis: "Good enough" for banking, airlines, etc. is not a good comparison when without power nothing else matters.
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by screamapillar March 26, 2009 9:28 PM PDT
Agreed, lives are at stake when power goes out...
by quackledork March 22, 2009 11:39 AM PDT
More FUD from IOActive. Whenever I see this company quoted for security, I know its going to be BS. I saw their wonderkid Kaminsky speak at SecureWorld a few months back. His presentation was insulting. Its no wonder IOActive wants us all to believe there is a big problem here - they are in a position to make big money from helping fix the problem. I am so sick and tire of 'consultants' like this. When it came time for a security audit at our firm, I made darn sure IOActive was NOT on our short list of vendors. I have no interest in their brand of FUD.
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by TheGeekReview March 22, 2009 7:38 PM PDT
Yea and the Y2k bug will create havoc.

FUD you got to love it.
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by Maarek Stele March 23, 2009 6:29 AM PDT
Die Hard 4 anyone?

with the smart grids, you'll start seeing firewalls next to transformers. :)
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by MD_Willington March 23, 2009 9:46 AM PDT
- FUD -

NERC is already mandating CIP encryption, many utilities already use encryption.

The biggest threat to the grid is direct interactions. A length of pipe, several feet of chain, or a well placed round from a rifle can mess up a substation faster than someone with a computer.
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by billcoughlan March 23, 2009 7:46 PM PDT
Once again an Expert says we should continue on, even though we are not quite ready. There is a system just begging for a hacker to work his magic and say " I told you so "
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by Jamer63 March 24, 2009 8:57 AM PDT
Here's an idea. Perhaps if more people installed solar and wind generation on their own homes. Staying off the grid. Not rselling back to it where only a fractional payment is given. This cyberterrorism would not be so realistic. In addition to using this self generated power to use on household appliances. Extra power stored could be used to produce your own hydrogen for home heating and automobile fuel cells. Thus, reducing fossil fuel consumption needs.
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