Comments on: Solar industry chases a cheaper kilowatt

After decades of promise, solar power is starting to pay off via more efficient and affordable tech.
Photos: The many faces of the solar power

[roy cactus]

humanity needs this

it is a very good thing that money is being invested into new energy technologies. that aside how cool a name is DayStar Technologies for a photovoltic cell manufacturer, way cool in my books.

[Ntchwaidumela]

I agree that Thomas Edison was right. He also said opportunity is often missed because it comes disguised as hard work. Another thing, as Americans, maybe people in general, we don't act in our benefit unless we are faced with a challenge, and we don't make great leaps unless we are REACTING to something. So, we are finally reacting to the fact that we are hurting our planet on a daily basis by relying solely on fossil fuels. I am 30 years old and I want to be a part of my sons future by contributing to the preservation on what was fought for, and the gift GOD has given us. That house made not of hands, shall remain forever in the heavens.

Charell Williams

[mahurshi]

This is only an ad hoc solution and not for mass generation of electricity

It is good that they're coming up with innovative ideas for more efficient solar power generation.

However, one should keep in mind that 10 Megawatts (shown in one of the pictures here) is still too low compared to other power generation plants (which often generate a few hundred or even over a thousand megawatts of power)

I guess the key here would be using this technology to produce power in your own backyard. That way, we'd (hopefully) be able to produce enough power for ourselves and (hopefully) cut the costs down.

I also think that more and more people and companies should be made aware of this opportunity. If a good number of homes/companies install them, more and more people would start installing them as it would work out as social marketing.

That's just my 2 cents though.

Mahurshi Akilla

[darkwaterx]

de-centralized power generation

yes, i would think de-centralized power generation (a couple of panels on every roof...)would be key to make PV successful and lower overall power demand from the huge power plants.
an added bonus is less power loss due to transmission lines...

[jesdog]

Maybe Not

The demand is there, which would generate capital, which in turn will help this industry mature and pursue more R&D. As it matures, and deficiencies develop along with more innovations, mass productivity may eventually be feasible. It already is necessary. If it is an ad hoc situation, I suspect it may only be temporary, and with the competition in the electric utility industry, they certainly will be exploring it further. We could see this type of energy-efficient powerplant coming online in the next two decades. Not only is it possible, in May will soon be probable.

Everyone must do this or we will be under water real soon.

This is one of the best ways to reduce green house gases. Stop burning coal to make electricity, put solar panels on your house and make money...

[Earl Benser]

The idea is good....

.... but the oceans will rise at least 20 feet no matter what we do.
Global warming has momentum.

[mvonnied]

Solar Power

Solar power is a very exciting thing, though not economically cheap, i believe the possibilities are improving for this technology. The BBC ran a segment on solar power not long ago, the researcher they interviewed said that if 4% of the worlds deserts were usued to produce solar energy that it would supply the worlds need for power. This is not to bad considereing right now the majority of solar panels are less than 30% effective. Though not very economical now perhaps with the right developments this could be a superior source of energy. Addimititedly our fossil fuel friends have done some good things, like assit to make the northwest passage a reallity in the next 50 years(from nova's series artic explorers), however with effort there is the possibility cleaner and cheaper energy.

[tutenstein]

Wow, only 4% of the world's deserts...

Wow! Africa, currently the dark (and hottest) continent, at least on its north side, would rise up and be the energy moguls of the next generation, much like the Middle East currently has a chokehold on the world energy market based on its demand for oil. Although, it would probably not be able to afford the investment needed to set up a solar panel mega-farm across the Sahara desert without international funding.

I think the world energy requirements will keep going up, even with more energy efficient devices, because more people are going to be using these devices in the future, and that would lead to an increase in demand.

[ajviking]

You missed HeliioDynamics' CSP system

The HelioDynamics Concentrating Combined Heat and Power solar system has broken the capital cost barrier that has stood in the way of the proliferation of solar. It's a distributable scale unit from 1 kWe (plus 10kW of heat) on up to megawatts! How come it wasn't included in the article?

[km7]

Your forgot ECD OVONIC

ECD OVONIC has already created shingles for your house that work on cloudy days.

[dkroupa]

Solar Integrated Technologies and big roofs

Here is how you start making a big difference, with large roof solar installations. SIT has done large area warehouse roofs for Coke, Frito Lay and others, and recently a trial Wal-mart roof in McKinney, Texas. http://www.solarintegrated.com/

They use the durable and rugged panels from Unisolar, and bond them directly to their roofing membranes for a 25 year warranty roof that produces electricity from early morning to evening. The Unisolar panels do not use crystalline silicone, so are immune from the shortage, and are made by the mile on a stainless steel substrate.

Del

[snowbright]

investment

yes this sounds realistic. Considering this what equities should I invest in? It looks good for organics and even nanos.

Any ideas?

[snowbright]

crunch time sooner?

won't it all come to a head sooner, oil may become to expensive in the next few years..

[Rod Adams]

Numbers please?

Would it be too much of a wet blanket question to all of the
enthusiastic supporters of widespread solar energy
developments if I asked for some cost and production numbers?

How much power can a roof sized solar system produce at its
peak?

How much power does the building underneath the solar system
need?

How long will the solar panel operate?

How often does the system need maintenance in order to keep
its output within advertised capabilities?

How much does it cost to clean?

How large are the taxpayer costs per unit of delivered power in
subsidies?

How much do electric utility customers pay for the mandated
uses of the technology?

I have been reading about solar breakthroughs since 1973. Little
has changed except for the cost of the competition and the
quantity of dollars flowing from taxpayers and monopoly utility
companies.

I believe that there is a very good reason why BP spends a tiny
portion of its annual revenue on solar energy and then spends
even more promoting its resulting image as a company that is
"beyond petroleum".

[Rod Adams]

Numbers please?

Would it be too much of a wet blanket question to all of the
enthusiastic supporters of widespread solar energy
developments if I asked for some cost and production numbers?

How much power can a roof sized solar system produce at its
peak?

How much power does the building underneath the solar system
need?

How long will the solar panel operate?

How often does the system need maintenance in order to keep
its output within advertised capabilities?

How much does it cost to clean?

How large are the taxpayer costs per unit of delivered power in
subsidies?

How much do electric utility customers pay for the mandated
uses of the technology?

I have been reading about solar breakthroughs since 1973. Little
has changed except for the cost of the competition and the
quantity of dollars flowing from taxpayers and monopoly utility
companies.

I believe that there is a very good reason why BP spends a tiny
portion of its annual revenue on solar energy and then spends
even more promoting its resulting image as a company that is
"beyond petroleum".

[grahamford000]

Number? Certainly sir.

Hi Rod,

You asked for numbers. Here goes:
Each bay of HelioDynamics Harmony CHP solar system produces around 500 We peak and 3 kW-thermal, at temperatures near to water boiling point, at noon.

Over the year, in Central Valley, California, plan on 1000 kWhe per bay of power and 6000 kWh of heat per bay. Using the heat to power an absorption chiller will save around 2000 kWhe of power for air-con. Each bay requires 150 sq ft of roof area. By shading a translucent roof membrane, it will also displace a further 300 We of lighting, saving around 1000 kWhe of lighting power each year.

For a piublic, commercial or industrial building, the building could see a major reduction (>50%) in its energy demand from grid energy.

Design life - 30 years. Actual life - if maintained: indefinite.

Self cleaning keeps maintenance visits to 1/year.
Subsidies - my question is what is implied subsidy of the fossil fuel industry in having a licence to foul up the thermostat setting of the planet?

And we use only 3% of the silicon to achieve this compared with flat plate solar. The world has just been changed, my friend.

[kevinbirch]

I have the answers to your questions

feel free to call me, I have the answers to your questions, Kevin
949.722.8704. You can also watch the video featuring Morgan
Freeman and Ed Bagel jr, at this url

www.jointhesolution.com/kevinbirch

[owlafaye]

Amazing

I understand the ostrich population is increasing at a tremendous rate...I don't know this but from what I understand, having paid close attention to the studies regarding global warming...the only way to avoid it may still be to stick your head in the sand.
Go Ostriches!
owlafaye

[kevinbirch]

Suddenly Renewable energy is good business

feel free to call me, I have the answers to your questions, Kevin
949.722.8704. You can also watch the video featuring Morgan
Freeman and Ed Bagel jr, at this url

www.jointhesolution.com/kevinbirch

[Nukefan]

What a waste...

California is going to spend 3 billion dollars for 3000 kilowatts? did i read that right? How many Nuke plants could you build for $3 billion.
WHAT A HUGE WASTE OF MONEY ALL BECAUSE ENVIROMENTALISTS CAN NOT ADMIT THEY WERE WRONG ABOUT NUCLEAR POWER. Even the French figured it out.

[p3nat]

No, you didn't read that right...

It's 3000 megawatts, not kilowatts...

[JRJHOME]

I am living in a place that cost .50 cents a kilowatt!!! New energy solutions need to be made affordable so people can switch from using the utility companies.. I do a lot of research but the utility company is still cheaper per kilowatt, than me investing in products that cost a small fortune. I don't plan on being here long time but I would make purchase's that would lower my kilowatt usage.