Comments on: Intel exec fears for U.S. competitiveness

"We have a lousy education system," says Senior Vice President Pat Gelsinger. "We have a weak infrastructure that is decaying."

[Bill Dautrive]

Too bad teachers unions won't allow it

Standards for teachers should be much, much higher. But the union won't allow it, they see the need to give teachers, quite often, undeserved raises.

There are many impending disasters upcoming for the US and the world(most notably when oil runs out, which it will on some unknown day), but the declining educational system is one that can help overcome other obstacles.

It isn't entirely fair to put all the blame on the unions, the citizenry is also at fault. Every adult, young and old, needs to throw their support behind real education reforms, that include paying high quality teachers a good wage(say at least double what they get now), while insisting the poor teachers get the boot. Fund schools so they have first rate books and equipment and small class sizes. Universities need to tighted up their education programs and raise the standards near to the ceiling.

Failure to do things like this will cause the US to go into a decline it will never get out of.

[mortis9]

who's going to pay for it???

where's the money for such an endeavor going to come from? you're not talking millions, you're talking tens of billions, perhaps more.

[BlueInWI]

If teach such a luxuriant job...

I imagine you must be going for the high pay and easy working conditions and planning to switch careers to being a teacher?

Real problem is that the US is no longer an advanced nation. We are to busy waiting for the money to trickle down as we run up record deficits rather than invest in our shared physical and intellectual infrastructure.

When a country institutes record tax cuts at a time of 'War' and passes the cost off to future generations of Americans at the same time it lowers wages for high-skill jobs by shipping them overseas. Engineering schools are having a hard time attracting students when you tell them they can't party like the pre-MBA majors all for a job where real wages are shrinking Also, if you want to do genetics or environmental research you have to go overseas where governments actually encourage new discovery and look at these challenges as opportunities...

Rather than b'ing and moaning, these CEO types should pay their fair share of corporate and individual taxes and push for progressive government reforms. Amazingly it would help all of us get richer, including them - they just can't think beyond the next quarterly report.

FACT: % of all income taxes paid by corporations:

1973 24%
2003 9-13% (depending on which report you read)

[BlueInWI]

Apology...

I was misled by your first paragraph - I now understand that you agree good teachers need better pay as well.

I stick by the rest of my comments though about our nations priorities as a whole being wrong.

[Bill Dautrive]

Too bad teachers unions won't allow it

Standards for teachers should be much, much higher. But the union won't allow it, they see the need to give teachers, quite often, undeserved raises.

There are many impending disasters upcoming for the US and the world(most notably when oil runs out, which it will on some unknown day), but the declining educational system is one that can help overcome other obstacles.

It isn't entirely fair to put all the blame on the unions, the citizenry is also at fault. Every adult, young and old, needs to throw their support behind real education reforms, that include paying high quality teachers a good wage(say at least double what they get now), while insisting the poor teachers get the boot. Fund schools so they have first rate books and equipment and small class sizes. Universities need to tighted up their education programs and raise the standards near to the ceiling.

Failure to do things like this will cause the US to go into a decline it will never get out of.

[mortis9]

who's going to pay for it???

where's the money for such an endeavor going to come from? you're not talking millions, you're talking tens of billions, perhaps more.

[BlueInWI]

If teach such a luxuriant job...

I imagine you must be going for the high pay and easy working conditions and planning to switch careers to being a teacher?

Real problem is that the US is no longer an advanced nation. We are to busy waiting for the money to trickle down as we run up record deficits rather than invest in our shared physical and intellectual infrastructure.

When a country institutes record tax cuts at a time of 'War' and passes the cost off to future generations of Americans at the same time it lowers wages for high-skill jobs by shipping them overseas. Engineering schools are having a hard time attracting students when you tell them they can't party like the pre-MBA majors all for a job where real wages are shrinking Also, if you want to do genetics or environmental research you have to go overseas where governments actually encourage new discovery and look at these challenges as opportunities...

Rather than b'ing and moaning, these CEO types should pay their fair share of corporate and individual taxes and push for progressive government reforms. Amazingly it would help all of us get richer, including them - they just can't think beyond the next quarterly report.

FACT: % of all income taxes paid by corporations:

1973 24%
2003 9-13% (depending on which report you read)

[BlueInWI]

Apology...

I was misled by your first paragraph - I now understand that you agree good teachers need better pay as well.

I stick by the rest of my comments though about our nations priorities as a whole being wrong.

Education?

Our education system is in shambles according to Bill Gates from MICROSOFT. Hmmmmm, this is strange. Microsoft must have hired these highly educated people for their security & software stability division.

[mortis9]

don't be a jerk

microsoft has quite high standards for it's software engineers. you think you can do better? where did you go school? what kind of degree do you have?

Education?

Our education system is in shambles according to Bill Gates from MICROSOFT. Hmmmmm, this is strange. Microsoft must have hired these highly educated people for their security & software stability division.

[mortis9]

don't be a jerk

microsoft has quite high standards for it's software engineers. you think you can do better? where did you go school? what kind of degree do you have?

Future Tech Lead

Education in parts of the USA needs to be improved/reformed but there are also areas in the USA that have, for decades, been exporting educated young people to the rest of the country because their area lacks quality jobs.

Exporting Research jobs to foriegn markets under the illusion of saving some money is a greater danger to the country's and the company's Technology and financial future.

Future Tech Lead

Education in parts of the USA needs to be improved/reformed but there are also areas in the USA that have, for decades, been exporting educated young people to the rest of the country because their area lacks quality jobs.

Exporting Research jobs to foriegn markets under the illusion of saving some money is a greater danger to the country's and the company's Technology and financial future.

[Razzl]

It takes a village to raise a child...

The decay of our society is the result of a quarter-century of rule by a party that caters to the belief that the public sector is evil because it demands a slice of their wealth to maintain. Schools, like hospitals, police forces, highways, etc., can only be maintained at a minimal level of quality when Presidents and governors work on dismantling governments by giving away their revenue as tax cuts to the well-off classes. You get what you pay for. Republicanism is about letting the well-off opt out of the life of the community so they can go enjoy their wealth behind locked gates; Evangelicalism is the religious wing of the party that absolves them from guilt about the savagery their greed imposes on the rest of us. When even the biggest capitalists begin to notice the shabbiness our society has sunk to it spells trouble for the right wing...

[Razzl]

It takes a village to raise a child...

The decay of our society is the result of a quarter-century of rule by a party that caters to the belief that the public sector is evil because it demands a slice of their wealth to maintain. Schools, like hospitals, police forces, highways, etc., can only be maintained at a minimal level of quality when Presidents and governors work on dismantling governments by giving away their revenue as tax cuts to the well-off classes. You get what you pay for. Republicanism is about letting the well-off opt out of the life of the community so they can go enjoy their wealth behind locked gates; Evangelicalism is the religious wing of the party that absolves them from guilt about the savagery their greed imposes on the rest of us. When even the biggest capitalists begin to notice the shabbiness our society has sunk to it spells trouble for the right wing...

[201293546946733175101343322673]

There's no money in IT

Americans are smart. When students are choosing a field of study, they avoid the ones that make it difficult to find employment, in favor for those that can pay more money for less effort. That's basic economics.

When the US government imports thousands of H-1Bs a year to flood the IT labor market, they have to expect the market to react. Intel bribed our legislators and caused the problem. Now they have to live with it.

[201293546946733175101343322673]

There's no money in IT

Americans are smart. When students are choosing a field of study, they avoid the ones that make it difficult to find employment, in favor for those that can pay more money for less effort. That's basic economics.

When the US government imports thousands of H-1Bs a year to flood the IT labor market, they have to expect the market to react. Intel bribed our legislators and caused the problem. Now they have to live with it.

Intel exec fears for US competitvness

If Mr. Gates and Mr. Geisinger are truely concerned for our education system why don't they invest their tinme and money and other resources in repairing the system.
It is obvious our government is more concerned in their finger pointing than in improving education in the U.S.
Bottom line, put your money where your mouth is!

Intel exec fears for US competitvness

If Mr. Gates and Mr. Geisinger are truely concerned for our education system why don't they invest their tinme and money and other resources in repairing the system.
It is obvious our government is more concerned in their finger pointing than in improving education in the U.S.
Bottom line, put your money where your mouth is!

[SWtester]

So what are MS and Intel doing about it other than hiring foreign workers?

Couldn't they put some energy and monet into Education and Training? Might be just about as cheap in the long run..

[SWtester]

So what are MS and Intel doing about it other than hiring foreign workers?

Couldn't they put some energy and monet into Education and Training? Might be just about as cheap in the long run..