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Comments on: Under-the-skin ID chips move toward U.S. hospitals

VeriChip, maker of subcutaneous RFID tags used to unlock doors or identify people, gets preliminary nod from FDA.

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Under the skin ID chips
by July 27, 2004 2:30 PM PDT
I would just like to say that, I am really interested in seeing how this is going to pan out. I am presently employed in the health industry and am also a full-time student studing to be a physicians assistant. Therefore, I actually would like to know more about this. In our company, the name tags that we use now often get old, lost, wet and many other things. I believe this new technology would help. My only draw back from it would be is the chip seems a little big.
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reasons NOT to get the chip
by July 28, 2004 7:55 PM PDT
first of all, they can explode, thus rendering whatever part of your body the chip was in to hamburger meat. remember the california teen who was recently in the news, because her cell phone exploded in her back pocket (for no apparent reason)? imagine that happening inside your body ...

second of all, try to imagine yourself being tracked by someone who doesn't like you -- maybe you ticked off your boss & now they're using the device to build a case against you (eg. you spent too long on break, you were caught in an unauthorized area, you were with an unauthorized person, etc.), which would be very easy to do once you have a tracking device placed in your body ...

third, the bible DOES predict that there will be a time in the future when people will need a "mark" (the Greek word used is: "stigma" -- to puncture, or prick; a mark denoting ownership) in either their hand, or head, without which they will not be able to participate in the economy (i.e. you can't go shopping, you can't pay your bills, etc.) & that anyone who takes that mark will be doomed ... & this technology fits that prediction to a tee, does it not? & we all know that once the technology starts being used, it will be used for more & more things until it is EVERYWHERE.

for me, the first item is reason enough to NOT get the chip, but ALL THREE reasons taken together? NO WAY, baby. i'm not taking a chip, no way, no how, not under ANY circumstances. i'd rather die first.

for more info:

www.spychips.com
www.rfidnews.org
www.nocards.org
www.endtime.com

blessings to all,
barefoot christian
(eph. 6:18)
WHY?
by Prndll July 27, 2004 6:48 PM PDT
I don't understand what is so wrong with fingerprints, retinal scans, voice print, or any one of dozens of ways to identify an individual. To do things this way just does not make sense. We must retaine control of the technology, this opens the doors for the technology to control us.
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End of Days
by Viktor King July 27, 2004 11:32 PM PDT
There is no conceivable reason for me to believe this chip technology is necessary, even if 'terrorists' come knocking at my door on a daily basis to so much as give this crap away. This is no less than cattle-tagging and computer-controlled elitism and by my own blood I will see to it that no one I know or love will be branded by this device.

If I ever so much as suspect that such a thing has been injected into any place in my body it will be destroyed by whatever means available. If it takes physically and crudely digging the thing out I am willing to walk that path. If it takes a magnet strong enough to interfere with my very heartbeat to fry the chip or draw it at slightly subsonic speeds out from my flesh I will do so.

Imagine a pickpocket that doesn't even have to move to do his job. He just leans against the handrail at the bottom of the subway steps in sunglasses a trench coat and fedora, smoking, while a scanner in an inner pocket sniffs numbers. Better cancel your credit cards before that 'EuroTrip'. Can VeriTech really assume that the common man will be incapable of reverse engineering the scanning method?

Ghost in the Shell? Gattaca? Deus Ex? Half Life 2? Isn't there enough bright-flashy-color-bloop-bloop-bleep-bleep media (It really is too much to ask that anyone read even Brave New World these days... only two colors but the resolution is good) presented in hi-def, retina-scorching, eardrum-liquefying, Twenty-First-Century Razzle-Dazzle, right in front of us, warning us of the catastrophic effects on our very civilization individual tagging connected to a global database would have, not 'potentially', but with an utmost certainty?

In just the above examples Kokakukidotai offers a vision of cybernetic augmentation and direct-to-cortex network interfaces as the future of human evolution (yes I know that's only a small sliver of what the movie meant...), but apparently fails to mention that such super-humanity would be riddled with tracking devices, remote kill switches, and guilty-until-innocent mind probing by federal bodies. The Stand Alone Complex TV series often ends up stepping on its own toes as the same cast of characters who before were chasing down a hacker powerful enough to intrude on digitized consciousnesses now find themselves chasing down 'terrorists' who are sometimes guilty of little more than refusing to 'jack in'.

Deus Ex offers a future where the common man is given no option to jack in and the elite keep such bio-enhancement technology to themselves, be it cybernetic augmentation or nano-machine controlled protein synthesis, and choose instead to kill off the vast majority of the world's population through psyop, anarchy, propaganda and manufactured diseases - the perfect 'Neo-Con' world sans compact mega-cities.

Gattaca threatens to partition the populous into a middle-to-upper class segment and a poverty-to-lower class segment where human potential within such a society is strictly capped based on one variable or another- in this case one's genotypic quality.

Half Life 2 puts us on the long black train to 'City 17' - the compact mega-city with all the living standards of a bombed-out Rothenburg where life is supervised by constant martial law double-dog-daring the inhabitants down the path of doomed periodic revolts.

Perhaps you have to be a twenty-something burger shoveler making $7000-10000 a year working two full time jobs to be bothered by the idea of RFID tags and computer controlled access to private meetings, VIP lounges, HOSPITALS, and banks. But most of the stuff I see tagged ends up gutted, drip dried, and sold by the pound and socially held in absolutely zero regard.

Imagine such things marketed to younger generations already seduced by Sony, Nokia and McDonald's as 'hip' and 'trendy'. Now imagine weak-minded parents obsessed with being 'liked' by their own children giving in to their every whim and seeking out a VeriTech vendor- every torendiigaru in town skipping happily to the local shopping mall to have a GPS beacon permanently installed in their bodies with all the foreboding of getting their first piercing.

Who doesn't see this as being a requirement for a driver?s license within ten years? How 'bout five? Then one day you wake up and you're on your way to the hospital because you can't get a license, get a job, cross a state border, get on a toll road, buy medicine or BUY ANY FOOD without your trendy little cattle-tag. I think that was mentioned in a best selling Book somewhere...

So then you can't get much done without one, why aren't you jacked in yet? All your friends got their mercury-laced flu shot, why won't you? "Don't be a baby" they say... Do it or there'll be more terrorist attacks they say...

Better report this post to the moderators folks, I've gone way past wired and skidded out of control into the weird.

First these chips are a curiosity, then they're a fad, then they're the law. You don't want to be on the business end of another Ruby Ridge, do you?

I will forever look upon these devices with utmost odium and consider any coercion otherwise or forced installation thereof not assault - but rape.
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It's stupid!!!
by September 8, 2005 2:00 PM PDT
I think that the whole Verichip thing is stupid because it is not human. It is putting things into our bodies that doesnt belong there and it will make us feel like we are some kind of machine or something. I personally wouldnt want something like that to be in my body, and that has a chance to explode in my body or even turn my tissue to hamburger meat!!!! SORRY!!!!! I really dont approve of this kind of technology!!
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