Comments on: Microsoft extends tool giveaway

Looking to woo hobbyists and students, Microsoft will keep its low-end Visual Studio 2005 Express development tool free.

[Bill Dautrive]

Who cares?

Putting aside the fact that VB(a "language" only for the most ignorant "programmer") and C#(a poorly designed, unsecure ripoff of java) are total garbage, there still is nothing of interest here.

Everything they are 'generously' giving away can already be had elsewhere, free and better quality. Much of what is not free is still available free elsewhere, again usually better quality.

There is no point to this unless you are so masochistic and ignorant that you would willingly tie yourself to MS. You never need MS tools to write programs for windows(at any level, from apps to drivers).

[gggg sssss]

I do I do

Keeps my kids in shoes - pretty good shoes at that. Of course, when I was a kid we programmed in ones and zeros, but we have outgrown that now. Why would anybody but a clueless moron buy Hyundia tools to fix a Chevy, especially when the Chevy tools are free?

[shryko]

I care

I'm a student... I am interested in getting the tools, etc... but there is one main problem: time and effort. I can't really take the time to go searching... when it comes up without me asking, however, I will go for it...

just like real life realty: location, location, location.

[spider9]

vb has grown up

vb has grown up significantly over the past 4 or 5 years so i wouldn't mock it. its now a fully OO programming language. c# too is very cool, even though it borrows a lot from java...

[aabcdefghij987654321]

Dautrive is a MS hater -- his mind is colored only by hatred

Otherwise he'd realize that this free entry level tool continues a MS tradition of making it easy and inexpensive for new people to learn to program for Windows.

His comments about VB and C# are proof of his deliberate ignorance. I'd bet he can't program himself, he's likely just parroting (that's making noises without understanding what they mean) foolish critisisms he's heard elsewhere.

People who know how to program and have used various tools have long acknowledged MS's Visual Studio tools to be leading edge tools which is one reason why you can tell BillD isn't a programmer.

[just_some_guy]

Prediction

Before your professional career even begins, it will be outsourced to some open-minded developer in Asia.

Hatred of a technology company is senseless, especially for an aspiring IT professional. I interview a lot of college kids - you wouldn't make it past the phone screen.

[SourceS]

Downloading this software

Has anyone managed to actually download this software? I looked at their web pages and cannot see any download option. The Download button at the top of the page takes you back to a circular link.

Maybe its just too obvious

[aabcdefghij987654321]

Download

Check the right had side below the headings. MS is really, really good at hiding things in plain sight <g>.

[bar86]

I do care but ...

I use vb6 to write professional apps that sell for 10k a piece. As a vb programmer since 95' I do appreciate it as a very serious language but lacking some basic properties here and there.

I've tried vb .Net 1 and 2 and got to the conclusion that those are realy c++ compilers with vb syntax. They report errors of undeclared classes even in the most simple no code demo apps.
The latest version keeps closing because of a misterious problem in the "Manifest" (??!!@)

All VB advantages are gone. Some changes (like
forcing to start arrays from 0, and string format) require total rewriting especially when
using legacy code wrapped in a dll.

It would take me at least one full year to learn
this tool, and another four years to rewrite my code from scratch to this new environment. Would anyone like to pay my bills for the next five years ???

Dear Bill. WE WANT VB7 !!!!
Free stuff is worth it's price.

[gggg sssss]

no biggie

used Basic since PDP 11m DataGeneral an dMAI days. Different flavor over time, but .net is still Basic.

[Bill Dautrive]

Exactly my point

MS changes things and breaks much in the process just to make a quick buck off suckers.

.net is a poor implementation of Java. It is rare when a java update happens and you have make a huge effort to get older code to play nice with the new compilers. Backwards compatibility in Java is outstanding. Of course then JVM could really care less, since it knows nothing about the Java language.