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Some customers voice concern that software giant's team development product will be too costly for smaller consultants and developers.

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So what?
by March 23, 2005 5:38 PM PST
Microsoft wants to make a buck. Of course their
products are outrageously priced for what you
get... People will pay for it and they know it.

Microsoft's development tools are abyssmal, but
are the defacto standard for developing
Microsoft-targeted apps because they integrate
what little there is of documentation and
templates for the platform.

There are many superior products and
technologies, including cross-platform ones, that
are far cheaper and more stable and more mature.
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Nonsense
by Jeff Putz March 24, 2005 6:24 AM PST
You have no idea what you're talking about, and you obviously haven't used the forthcoming new versions either. VSTS blows away any offering from any other vendor. I'm the guy they quote in the article, I've been using the alphas and betas of these products for the last year, in part so I could write the book that was just released.
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So what?
by March 23, 2005 5:38 PM PST
Microsoft wants to make a buck. Of course their
products are outrageously priced for what you
get... People will pay for it and they know it.

Microsoft's development tools are abyssmal, but
are the defacto standard for developing
Microsoft-targeted apps because they integrate
what little there is of documentation and
templates for the platform.

There are many superior products and
technologies, including cross-platform ones, that
are far cheaper and more stable and more mature.
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Nonsense
by Jeff Putz March 24, 2005 6:24 AM PST
You have no idea what you're talking about, and you obviously haven't used the forthcoming new versions either. VSTS blows away any offering from any other vendor. I'm the guy they quote in the article, I've been using the alphas and betas of these products for the last year, in part so I could write the book that was just released.
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I have said it before..
by Bill Dautrive March 23, 2005 8:49 PM PST
If you tie yourself tightly to MS, you deserve to get ripped off, and all the headaches. All these developers are complaining, but hopefully they will take their business elsewhere or at the very least, refuse to upgrade.

It is not like MS is the only game in town when it comes to writing windows apps.
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Heard it before, too.
by David Arbogast March 28, 2005 8:56 AM PST
Actually DM, the article clearly states that Microsoft's total solution will be cheaper than those offered by IBM or Borland. So, when it comes to getting "ripped off," obviously you will dislike the IBM and Borland solutions even more, eh? Are you against any software that has a price tag associated with it? Some people do not mind investing in the tools they use to develop and sell profitable products.
I have said it before..
by Bill Dautrive March 23, 2005 8:49 PM PST
If you tie yourself tightly to MS, you deserve to get ripped off, and all the headaches. All these developers are complaining, but hopefully they will take their business elsewhere or at the very least, refuse to upgrade.

It is not like MS is the only game in town when it comes to writing windows apps.
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Heard it before, too.
by David Arbogast March 28, 2005 8:56 AM PST
Actually DM, the article clearly states that Microsoft's total solution will be cheaper than those offered by IBM or Borland. So, when it comes to getting "ripped off," obviously you will dislike the IBM and Borland solutions even more, eh? Are you against any software that has a price tag associated with it? Some people do not mind investing in the tools they use to develop and sell profitable products.
I save $7000 a year by going for Java and Linux
by johnzoet March 24, 2005 1:01 PM PST
About 7 years ago I paid $6,500 a year for MSDN
and an other $500 a year for Windows software.
For a small business owner in New Zealand this
was a lot of money.
I decided to move to Linux and Java and pay now
less than $100 per year on software.
As a bonus I can sell my products and services
now to anybody, regardless of platform.
Support is free of charge and problems are fixed
in days in stead of years.
All in all I could not feel happier with the
decision I made to swap to Java and Linux.
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Zero-Cost World
by March 26, 2005 6:38 AM PST
Greetings.

Linux is free not only cheaper. The very worst of it is making people believe that is no longer necessary to pay for software. So one day your clients will tell you that if the operating system is for free and the applications as well, so why is it necessary to pay to you??? Isn't this world wonderful???

Just think about it.

I'm just getting used to not to pay for anything too.
I save $7000 a year by going for Java and Linux
by johnzoet March 24, 2005 1:01 PM PST
About 7 years ago I paid $6,500 a year for MSDN
and an other $500 a year for Windows software.
For a small business owner in New Zealand this
was a lot of money.
I decided to move to Linux and Java and pay now
less than $100 per year on software.
As a bonus I can sell my products and services
now to anybody, regardless of platform.
Support is free of charge and problems are fixed
in days in stead of years.
All in all I could not feel happier with the
decision I made to swap to Java and Linux.
Reply to this comment
Zero-Cost World
by March 26, 2005 6:38 AM PST
Greetings.

Linux is free not only cheaper. The very worst of it is making people believe that is no longer necessary to pay for software. So one day your clients will tell you that if the operating system is for free and the applications as well, so why is it necessary to pay to you??? Isn't this world wonderful???

Just think about it.

I'm just getting used to not to pay for anything too.
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