Comments on: Intel: Friend or foe?

Although AMD has painted Intel as a bully, execs who've dealt with company draw a more ambiguous picture.

[Walt Connery]

Charges very easy to prove...

...despite flowery language employed by Intel spokepersons to the contrary...;)

All AMD needs to do is to produce the agreements in which any companies have been given any sort of renumeration (rebates, discounts, ad subsidies, or kickbacks) by Intel for either of the following or both:

(1) Buying Intel cpus to the exclusion of anyone else's cpus ("anyone else," of course, being AMD)

(2) Agreeing to limit their purchases of AMD cpus to an arbitrary percentage of the total number of Intel cpus purchased during a given span of time.

Such purchase agreements are generally specified in detail as to the terms employed and should be child's play to produce if in fact they exist (as I believe they do.)

Despite Intel's comments trying to paint the AMD complaint as nebulous, vague, and just vacuous in general, I believe AMD's complaint is as black & white as it gets.

I loved the ZDNet editorial comment from unknown vendors saying in essence, "Gee, we love it when Intel rapes us because we are raped so subtly we hardly know it. When Microsoft rapes us we know it because they tell us all about it up front and we find it unpleasant."

Heh...;) When you really think about that self-serving remark it's highly amusing. The idea that Intel should escape consequences for raping and manipulating the markets as it has done, simply on account of the raping having been somewhat painless for the companies receiving Intel's money, is just too funny for words. That Intel proponents might ever think such a remark would generate some *defense* of their conduct in a legal sense leads me to believe that Intel is desperate not to have this can of worms fully opened and exposed.

Thing is, opinions are irrelevant. What counts is scrutiny of the routine purchase agreements Intel executes with the companies which buy its products. If those agreements show that Intel is paying the markets not to do business with AMD then AMD wins--open and shut.

In fact, I'd pretty much say that in the "court" of public opinin AMD has already won--as so much in its complaint is commonly known to lots of people in the industry. What's amazing to me is the amount of restraint AMD has had up until now, frankly.

[Walt Connery]

Charges very easy to prove...

...despite flowery language employed by Intel spokepersons to the contrary...;)

All AMD needs to do is to produce the agreements in which any companies have been given any sort of renumeration (rebates, discounts, ad subsidies, or kickbacks) by Intel for either of the following or both:

(1) Buying Intel cpus to the exclusion of anyone else's cpus ("anyone else," of course, being AMD)

(2) Agreeing to limit their purchases of AMD cpus to an arbitrary percentage of the total number of Intel cpus purchased during a given span of time.

Such purchase agreements are generally specified in detail as to the terms employed and should be child's play to produce if in fact they exist (as I believe they do.)

Despite Intel's comments trying to paint the AMD complaint as nebulous, vague, and just vacuous in general, I believe AMD's complaint is as black & white as it gets.

I loved the ZDNet editorial comment from unknown vendors saying in essence, "Gee, we love it when Intel rapes us because we are raped so subtly we hardly know it. When Microsoft rapes us we know it because they tell us all about it up front and we find it unpleasant."

Heh...;) When you really think about that self-serving remark it's highly amusing. The idea that Intel should escape consequences for raping and manipulating the markets as it has done, simply on account of the raping having been somewhat painless for the companies receiving Intel's money, is just too funny for words. That Intel proponents might ever think such a remark would generate some *defense* of their conduct in a legal sense leads me to believe that Intel is desperate not to have this can of worms fully opened and exposed.

Thing is, opinions are irrelevant. What counts is scrutiny of the routine purchase agreements Intel executes with the companies which buy its products. If those agreements show that Intel is paying the markets not to do business with AMD then AMD wins--open and shut.

In fact, I'd pretty much say that in the "court" of public opinion AMD has already won--as so much in its complaint is commonly known to lots of people in the industry. What's amazing to me is the amount of restraint AMD has had up until now, frankly.

AMD will lose either way......

Even if they do win the court battle, what are they doing to improve performance? I've run AMD processors for many years. I'm currently running dual MP 2600s and the problems I've always had with AMD is finding good boards to run them. Everything from Asus to MSI, gets decent performance, but gets whipped hands down by equivilent Intel chip/board combos. I'm currently building a new system and for the first time in 10 years I'm going to use an Intel base. I love you AMD, but you suck right now and I need performance today.

[System Tyrant]

Your joking right????

Motherboards for AMD CPU's have been giving Intel a black eye for awhile now. Although there isn't really a great performance difference overall between AMD and Intel theses days, but AMD usually comes out the winner.

I don't know what you are looking for in a system, but a dual core AMD CPU and nForce chipset (with or without SLI) is a good choice if you have the cash. If not, nForce or VIA make excellent chipsets for AMD CPU's.

If you can't find a good performing chipset for an AMD CPU, I'm sorry to say, but you just aren't looking. (I want to note I'm not trying to be offencive to you. Although I am sure I am sounding like a diehard fan boy. If I come across that way or sound rude please accept my apologies.)

My best answer to this is buy what you like, can afford, and suits your needs. I believe that AMD has a better overall value than Intel's P4 line (the P-M's on the other hand might just give AMD a black eye). Truthfully, though you will probably be happy either way you go.