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Comments on: Two visions for delivering PCs to emerging nations

One Laptop Per Child and Intel take competing approaches to manufacturing, pricing PCs--and it's not yet clear which will prevail.

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COST OF PCs
by judegab February 28, 2007 6:29 AM PST
The problem facing Africa is not the cost of PCs but the cost of internet bandwidth. Millions of people have access to used computers some as cheap as $50, however internet access is prohibitively expensive for both individuals and institutions because most internet connections use expensive satellite communications.

I run an internet cafe in Africa but live in the United States. I pay $1800 a month for satellite internet access in Africa but only $45 for the same amount of bandwidth for my home in the US. This has not stopped people from flocking to the cafe because the young of Africa are information hungry.

What Africa needs are many undersea fiber-optic cables connecting the continent with Europe and North America. The availability of PCs will take care of itself if bandwidth is a lot cheaper than it is today. I wish these well intentioned but misguided charity attempts will address the real issues and rely less on conventional wisdom. African PC users need cheap internet bandwidth. Cheap used PCs are already a dime a dozen.
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COST OF PCs
by judegab February 28, 2007 6:29 AM PST
The problem facing Africa is not the cost of PCs but the cost of internet bandwidth. Millions of people have access to used computers some as cheap as $50, however internet access is prohibitively expensive for both individuals and institutions because most internet connections use expensive satellite communications.

I run an internet cafe in Africa but live in the United States. I pay $1800 a month for satellite internet access in Africa but only $45 for the same amount of bandwidth for my home in the US. This has not stopped people from flocking to the cafe because the young of Africa are information hungry.

What Africa needs are many undersea fiber-optic cables connecting the continent with Europe and North America. The availability of PCs will take care of itself if bandwidth is a lot cheaper than it is today. I wish these well intentioned but misguided charity attempts will address the real issues and rely less on conventional wisdom. African PC users need cheap internet bandwidth. Cheap used PCs are already a dime a dozen.
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What about Free
by rdupuy11 February 28, 2007 8:13 AM PST
I know the people behind OLPC are intelligent, but so are the people saying its wrong...and I'm going to side and say its wrong.

$150, and $1500, and $150,000 are all relevant. As the article stated, in a market economy, you can give a computer away for opening an account...in that instance it was cheaper to acquire a customer with the giveaway, than other methods.

By the same token, I already pay about $1200 per year to an emerging economy...of course I'm a small player, but I'm not alone. The person I pay, has a computer, has bought a flat screen monitor...she buys the things she wants, and needs. She can afford it, when her neighbors cannot, because she has a job.

It's free trade that fixes this issue in a real way.

The problem with these old liberals is they don't get it. You don't educate people and then watch the money flow in. The Soviet Union was highly educated...more so than most of the earth, and the money flew out of the country, and people went to near starvation levels, when the Soviet Union broke up.

Education is not the answer! Sounds trade policy is....then education will follow. Thats the way things work. The OLPC people, are blinded by a fantasy.
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What about Free
by rdupuy11 February 28, 2007 8:13 AM PST
I know the people behind OLPC are intelligent, but so are the people saying its wrong...and I'm going to side and say its wrong.

$150, and $1500, and $150,000 are all relevant. As the article stated, in a market economy, you can give a computer away for opening an account...in that instance it was cheaper to acquire a customer with the giveaway, than other methods.

By the same token, I already pay about $1200 per year to an emerging economy...of course I'm a small player, but I'm not alone. The person I pay, has a computer, has bought a flat screen monitor...she buys the things she wants, and needs. She can afford it, when her neighbors cannot, because she has a job.

It's free trade that fixes this issue in a real way.

The problem with these old liberals is they don't get it. You don't educate people and then watch the money flow in. The Soviet Union was highly educated...more so than most of the earth, and the money flew out of the country, and people went to near starvation levels, when the Soviet Union broke up.

Education is not the answer! Sounds trade policy is....then education will follow. Thats the way things work. The OLPC people, are blinded by a fantasy.
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Need work
by boriken48 February 28, 2007 12:46 PM PST
Dear God those little kids will go blind trying to look at that little screen not good for typing (unless we want train them to be the cheap tech support of the future) and also a cheap piece of crap for gaming, come on stupid tech guys those are children not morons they will find the Net.
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Need work
by boriken48 February 28, 2007 12:46 PM PST
Dear God those little kids will go blind trying to look at that little screen not good for typing (unless we want train them to be the cheap tech support of the future) and also a cheap piece of crap for gaming, come on stupid tech guys those are children not morons they will find the Net.
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Teaching Excel to 6 year old kids is not criminal!
by hadaso February 28, 2007 11:46 PM PST
Teaching Excel to 6 year old kids is not criminal!

Excel is a tool that let's them experiment with numbers. It is one of many, and my 12 years old child was not hurt by playing with numbers in Excel when he was 6 years old. It just taught him to think of numbers and computations as objects and not to think of computations as tasks which is what schools teach, and which is the main reason for my engineering college students failures in calculus and algebra.

Of course Excel is just one tool. Teaching the RGB model is a good tool. My younger kid understood it when he was 5 and since then he prefers it as getting the right color by manipulating components. The benefit for him is understanding the meaning of numbers. Another great tool for learning to manipulate numbers is the graphic interface to procedural textures in Art of Illusion" that allows more than just feeding fixed number triplets as RGB components. Kids should be provided with tools that require them to manipulate numbers to create the effects they want. And they should be provided with a variety of tools.

Finally: LOGO. Every child should learn some LOGO as early as possible. But LOGO is geared at those good at manipulating text. Some kids would benefit more from graphic tools that manipulate numbers and abstract objects. Not all kids are equal.
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Teaching Excel to 6 year old kids is not criminal!
by hadaso February 28, 2007 11:46 PM PST
Teaching Excel to 6 year old kids is not criminal!

Excel is a tool that let's them experiment with numbers. It is one of many, and my 12 years old child was not hurt by playing with numbers in Excel when he was 6 years old. It just taught him to think of numbers and computations as objects and not to think of computations as tasks which is what schools teach, and which is the main reason for my engineering college students failures in calculus and algebra.

Of course Excel is just one tool. Teaching the RGB model is a good tool. My younger kid understood it when he was 5 and since then he prefers it as getting the right color by manipulating components. The benefit for him is understanding the meaning of numbers. Another great tool for learning to manipulate numbers is the graphic interface to procedural textures in Art of Illusion" that allows more than just feeding fixed number triplets as RGB components. Kids should be provided with tools that require them to manipulate numbers to create the effects they want. And they should be provided with a variety of tools.

Finally: LOGO. Every child should learn some LOGO as early as possible. But LOGO is geared at those good at manipulating text. Some kids would benefit more from graphic tools that manipulate numbers and abstract objects. Not all kids are equal.
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Vision???
by jmdunys March 1, 2007 5:02 AM PST
As if Intel was REALLY concerned about jobs in developping nations.

Intel wants to sell Intel. Intel wants to make sure that when there's enough Intel devices out there, users will more than likely replace their obsolete hardware with another Intel platform device.

This is business. It's OK.

What is not, is talk about vision. jobs, helping, etc. If Intel really wants to help, let them put some money from their billions of dollars of profit to local projects (not manufacturing Intel hardware) for water, surgery, agriculture, etc.

Who are they kidding?
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Vision???
by jmdunys March 1, 2007 5:02 AM PST
As if Intel was REALLY concerned about jobs in developping nations.

Intel wants to sell Intel. Intel wants to make sure that when there's enough Intel devices out there, users will more than likely replace their obsolete hardware with another Intel platform device.

This is business. It's OK.

What is not, is talk about vision. jobs, helping, etc. If Intel really wants to help, let them put some money from their billions of dollars of profit to local projects (not manufacturing Intel hardware) for water, surgery, agriculture, etc.

Who are they kidding?
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Hope this works
by jchandler15 March 4, 2007 11:51 AM PST
This needs to work it's been so long in the development process it just has to work

Josh Chandler
http://www.techoriphic.com
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Hope this works
by jchandler15 March 4, 2007 11:51 AM PST
This needs to work it's been so long in the development process it just has to work

Josh Chandler
http://www.techoriphic.com
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